NoMan

bro.. my advice is to get on that train asap.

it can be as easy as using jiffy pellets/rockwool cubes, or a glass of water.. or as involved as aerocloning. but if you don't acquire that skill, then you're starting from seed/scratch everytime.

which means, unless you're spending the money on f1's or fems, the variation is going to drive you nuts.

from seed, if you want to keep yourself in smoke, you need to;

*start at least twice as many seeds as you need. (m/f ratio)
*start them min 8 wks in advance.

cloning requires both of the above, (take twice as many as you need, and start them 6-8 wks in advance,) but at least you know what you're getting in advance.. sex, octaine, yield, stone, taste, smell, finish time, and a mature, fully expressed plant. (an indoor plant bloomed @ 7wks from seed, will never be as strong, or yield as well, as a clone from a 6 month-25 yr old mom.)


i haven't checked, but if you can't find the info here, there are other grow sites with plenty of info. (compassion corner or planet ganja, among others.)

read and experiment.

my only advice regarding cloning is; domes and rooting hormone are way over rated.

SouthernSteven

Obviously Im going to have to give it a try anyway.
Thanks for all the input though, keep it coming.

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j-wonder

im pretty sure that those things would like it better if u took off that hood - it probably just keeps them too moist.... plus u could move the light closer...

just a thought man, feel free to disregard

BudaBob

J-wonder is right... there seedlings... no need for the dome...

-if they were clones by all means start with one.

now that the seeds have sprouted the dome served its purpose of holding in moisture for germination... now let those lil girls breath...

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SouthernSteven

Ok, I took the hood off and lowered the light a little last night. When I came to check on them some of them were slumped over and others the leaves were pointed all weird like they were trying to close upward like a clam would. The light was only an inch away though. Too close?

SouthernSteven

Somebody please tell me what these yellow spots are caused by.

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Rogue

Have you checked for or noticed any gnats buzzing about? They tend to do nasty things like that. Look into a decent insecticide, perhaps.

Jenna_Grows

big change over night hey? That spot could be the beginning of heat burn... seems logical since the only thing you changed was removing the dome and lowering the light. Maybe it was a bit too close. I'd raise it and see if that helps them perk up.

SouthernSteven

Jenna I should have clarified. The pic above is of my White Widow plants that are a month old already. The seedlings that were having problems have rebounded quickly but one does show slight burns.Thanks for checking on me though, please continue to do so.

Rogue I have seen one or two gnats flying around my WW's especially when I water them. I was trying my best to stay organic and not use pesticides, although FoxFarm does offer a pesticide made organically. Any suggestions?

NoMan

yep.. that them coming up from laying eggs in your soil. fungus gnats can/will kill your plants. not the flies themselves, but from the larva eating your roots.

there are lots of ways to dick around with them, but ime they're immune to most pesticides.. like No Pest Strips and pyrithium based sprays.. and those only treat the adults anyway. you can also use dichotomous sand, but that didn't stop mine.

i would go straight to a Bacillus thuringiensis israelensis (Bti) product like 'mosquito dunks' or Gnatrol. Bti is a larvicide that is derived.. i believe.. from a naturally occuring bacteria. once they ingests it, it paralyzes the larvae, which stop feeding immediately and die - usually within 24 hours. it is also totally nontoxic to people, pets and the environment.

just mix w/water and water your plants. but if you get the dunks, you have to disolve them first.

SouthernSteven

NoMan - Thanks for the info on the gnats. I think Gnatrol is the route I am going to take. I dont see too many now but I know that situation can get out of hand quickly.

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SouthernSteven

Here is a pic of my "ladies" (fingers crossed) today. I topped the tallest four last night because they look a little thin compared to most pics I have seen of plants of a similar age. Hopefully this will give the shorter ones a little time to catch up and the thinner ones time to fill in. Any opinions on when I should consider flowering?

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NoMan

you're welcome.. i hope it works out for you. i will say this.. your plants don't appear to me to be showing signs of stress yet.. so that's a very good thing.. your plants look great!

a great way to thicken up the stems and branches is to put an oscillating fan on them. though it will cause vert growth to stall a bit, you'll notice the main stem bulking in a couple of days. it's a natural reaction to wind in nature. (don't use a stationary fan.. it just beats them up and causes wind stress.. for some reason that little break from the wind makes a big diff.)

about when to flower those plants? imo, after you've successfully labeled and taken clones.

other than that, anytime after 6wks to force flower/sexing.

other than that, because of the new shape the topped ones are going to take, i would pinch the tops of the short ones too. otherwise, you'll have some that grow straight up, and the others out and up.

SouthernSteven

These babies are really growing fast now! No complaints here.

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Jenna_Grows

Wow those look great SouthernSteven.

I am always so impressed with anyone that can use those jiffy pots. I can never seem to get any action with them.

glad I misread that earlier post... I do that OFTEN

Have they shown sex yet? any idea when you are gonna flower them?

SouthernSteven

Thanks Jenna. I've heard mixed opinions about the jiffy pots. Thats why I cut off the bottom of the jiffy pots before I placed them in my 3 gal. pots. I also cut a few slits down the sides to make sure the roots could grow horizontaly with no problems. Seems to work well, but I have no prior experience to relate it to either. For all I know it held them back a bit. I'll try to mix it up a bit more in the future and see what happens.

I'm really not sure when to flower. Something is telling me to wait until these new branches, which are growing amazingly fast, fill in a bit more before I try to flower them. But the plants are 24" tall as of right now. What to do? I've gathered that not rushing anything in respects to plants is the best route. Im thinking at most one more week of veg then flower. Any thoughts?

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natedogg_nyc

some of your plants are looking taller than others, males generally are bigger than the females

Jenna_Grows

i guess one thing I would be concerned about with plants that were fairly big in veg is that when they hit flower and begin their stretch, they get pretty big.. Stretch can be 2 to 3 times the height of the plant going into flower so... if your plants are 24 inches, count on them being say 48 to 60 inches tall.. that's strain dependent of course.. just a general rule I use to gestimate things. Topping, Fimming or Bending are pretty neat options to control the height though. It kinda depends on your ceiling in flower and how much room you've got to work with. You probably don't want them to get too much bigger though hey?

They haven't shown sex yet and judging from the looks of them, that's gonna be soon and I prefer to see sex in veg rather than flower cuz we usually pot up just before putting the plants into flower and why pot up a plant you will cull if its male?

So.. either way.. veg till sex, flower right away...it's your call and whatever you decide is a good decision.

SouthernSteven

Just when I started thinking I knew something, you go and throw me a curveball. I thought you had to put the plant into flowering before you could tell the sex.

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keepsmokin

How about flower just the ones that are much taller than the others? This way you can go ahead and get the majority of the males out of the way and at the same time letting your others get a little bigger for 2 weeks.

Wow, Im high. Just thought of this, you will need a seperate flowering room to accomplish this. I tell you, its awesome having 2 rooms and being able to harvest 1 and start flowering another the same day.

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