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Old 12-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #101 (permalink)
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MYCORRHIZAL FUNGUS PRODUCTS FOR HEALTHY PLANTS & SOILS
Not to be mistaken for athletes foot!


Jenna found this link and forwarded it to me. I like this kind of stuff so I thought I would pass it on...
Fungi PerfectiŽ: MycoGrow™ mycorrhizal products

I use this in every mix I make, not this brand or style but Mycorrhizal products from Myke.
I ran some plants back in the day... Rombolt if I am not mistaken* and the plants with this gave me better yields than the other by a noticable degree.
And really, anything that is good for the little roots burrowing in the soil is good for me


*and I easily could be hence the grow logs
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Hands down 2 tha weedman!!

Dan you grow the most beautiful plants ive ever seen!! I try so hard to keep mine short and stocky like urs but I can never get that part right!!! Please share ur secrets with me... Enlighten me with ur expertise!
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MYCORRHIZAL FUNGUS PRODUCTS are very popular in England, within the cannaseur grower community.

Healthy rootball => healthy plant => bigger plant => bigger yeild => better buds.


Rootballs are so important. As important as a good foundation for a house. The stronger the foundation, the more floors (or buds in our case ) you can pile up.

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Old 12-24-2008, 08:09 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Dan you grow the most beautiful plants ive ever seen!! I try so hard to keep mine short and stocky like urs but I can never get that part right!!! Please share ur secrets with me... Enlighten me with ur expertise!
Wow, thank you for that.
Well, I don't really do much if the girls are from seed cause we want to see what they do if left to thier own devices.
There is a height point where I say "whoa" and start using the hemp based twine, but for the most part todays plants have a lot of Indica in them which tends to limit the height they get to indoors.
I like to have the girls go in about 1' tall from soil to tip of plant. That way the 2x-3x stretch is kept managable.
In the clone runs they are placed in anywhere from 6"-2' depending on what they did during the original seed run.

Some like the Viet black would tend to stretch up to 10X what they were when placed into flower.
I placed one clone in at about 6" and it came out about 3' tall (6x)with huge spires of colas.
It's not so much I am a great grower, it's more that I am watching them a lot and writing down what they like and what they don't seem to take to. Each plant is a little different even in the same seed run and that is tough to take into account without paying close attention...
or writing it down and taking pictures.

Thats where my grow logs come in paper based and on here and other forums.
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Ok I kinda get it.... So seeds grow bigger than clones?? I can believe that cuz on my first run with my girls(seeds) I started flowering at 1ft and most of them almost touched the ceiling!!! Especially the silver haze... So you start flowering at 6inches?? Im gonna try that cuz Id love to see my ladies short and fat not tall and lanky I heard that if you trim off the bottom grow shoots that also helps with keepin em short... I try so hard this has been the hardest part for me in all my attempts my current ladies are bout 5 feet tall but I wanna get em down to 3ft... Since you keep em short do you think the yield is better short or when they are tall? I bet the quality is way better short. Thanks dan
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Like the 2 year old thread to kepp most of your info in one place. Nice pics and plants.
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Ok I kinda get it.... So seeds grow bigger than clones??
I can believe that cuz on my first run with my girls(seeds) I started flowering at 1ft and most of them almost touched the ceiling!!! Especially the silver haze... So you start flowering at 6inches?? Im gonna try that cuz Id love to see my ladies short and fat not tall and lanky
I heard that if you trim off the bottom grow shoots that also helps with keepin em short... I try so hard this has been the hardest part for me in all my attempts my current ladies are bout 5 feet tall but I wanna get em down to 3ft... Since you keep em short do you think the yield is better short or when they are tall? I bet the quality is way better short. Thanks dan
I doubt there would be any quality difference, although there could be between grows especially seed vs clone. The clone will be more mature and will most likely be better weed.

I can't tell you a hard and fast rule that will assure that everything (or anything) you grow will stay within your height requirements.
Super silver HAZE is a sativa so the rules are different than with an indy. They will chase the light far more readily. That means it grows close to the bulb and you back the light off so as not to burn the plant, next time make a tie at the base to the pot edge and tie the growth tip down in the opposite direction. That supports the stem and allows you to bend the growth where you would like it.
When this is done early in flower the nodes that now face the light get the plants chemicals that start the growth tips from there. It looks amazing.

Things I do know...
-Most Indices will do 2x the stretch in flower as a minimum. (Sureshot first told me this and has been proven in grows for me)
-Growing Sativa indoors either requires huge lighting and huge ceilings or a ball of hemp-based twine and something to drill holes in the pots. And lots of patience.
-The seed grow is just to see what the plant will do and if the smoke is worth going farther. Like telling you if you are going to have to start LST from little because you ended up bending the original almost into a pretzel to keep the canopy level. Or if that afghani only stretches 2.5 times and you want it to be taller so you extend the veg time.
-Keep the canopy as level as possible, taller on the outside, shorter in the middle if you have to, and remember to turn the outside plants to allow the light to get to all sides of the plants.
-Some people give the girls Nitrogen almost all the way through flower.
Nitrogen will prolong flower and for those who follow the advertised flower times will almost invariably harvest anywhere from way too early to a point that the stone is too short lived and panic inducing.
Nitrogen promotes green growth, while you do not want a def. you for certain do not want an excess in early causing the girls to want to exceed expectations.
-Keeping them in starter cups longer will indeed slow growth, just remember that nutrient problems travel faster in smaller containers. * this point will help to keep heights down in flower as you generally end up with the same amount of nodes just shorter and tighter.
I don't like to do this but have kept plants going for months and months in cups to keep them stunted until ready.
One sativa spent over a year in a red milk cup (too small for beer)

It's good to see someone else growing the big girls inside.
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Like the 2 year old thread to kepp most of your info in one place. Nice pics and plants.
Exactly like that.
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How beautiful... thank you for sharing!
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Old 12-26-2008, 11:41 AM   #110 (permalink)
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Hey Mothernature, thanks for dropping by.
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Old 12-26-2008, 11:54 AM   #111 (permalink)
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Good read for those who like em short by Sureshot...
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/sacred-...2-harvest.html
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-Some people give the girls Nitrogen almost all the way through flower.
i m one of them.

1ml/liter during the first 3/4ths of flowering
and 2ml/liter during the last 1/4.
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heh heh heh Nitrogen pusher.
What's your reasoning behind using that long? Phosphorous for the buds, potassium for the root ball, but why something for green growth?

I'll be the first to admit I know fairly little about such an in depth topic. But it just makes sense to me that at the end of flowering I want as many nutes as possible to have been flushed by the plant.
I do know that most soluble and pre-mixed nutes have things in them that can't be taken up by the plants roots until the soil breaks them down be they chem or organic nutes. Micro-herds away!!!
And it takes the plants time to do the uptake of the nutes and then some additional time in which the plants to distribute the wealth along the chain of life within the plant.

Now, typing all that... if you serve any nutes what so ever in the last 2-3 weeks in flower shouldn't they be destined to increase the bud size?
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reasoning behind using that long? Phosphorous for the buds, potassium for the root ball, but why something for green growth?

I'll be the first to admit I know fairly little about such an in depth topic. But it just makes sense to me that at the end of flowering I want as many nutes as possible to have been flushed by the plant.
I do know that most soluble and pre-mixed nutes have things in them that can't be taken up by the plants roots until the soil breaks them down be they chem or organic nutes. Micro-herds away!!!
And it takes the plants time to do the uptake of the nutes and then some additional time in which the plants to distribute the wealth along the chain of life within the plant.

Now, typing all that... if you serve any nutes what so ever in the last 2-3 weeks in flower shouldn't they be destined to increase the bud size?
I always have used flower nutes (2 - 6 - 3.5) until the last 2 or 3 waterings.
I find it hard to keep the lower fan leaves from yellowing during flowering so nowadays I tend to give them some Nitrogen until the last 4 or 5 waterings as well.

I`d rather give them as few nutrients as possible towards the end `cos it affects the taste I think but it`s no good if all the fan leaves fall off.

Maybe if I used bigger pots I wouldn`t have to feed so much.

Interesting what you were saying about N in flower delaying finishing. Would that be because the plant keeps growing, or because it delays the colouring of the trichomes for some reason?
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It just keeps the plant growing instead of getting ready to die, which is supposed to trigger an intesified trichome production trying to catch the ever elusive pollen.
Or so I read in some grow ebook at some time
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It makes sense, especially with sativas.
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It just keeps the plant growing instead of getting ready to die, which is supposed to trigger an intesified trichome production trying to catch the ever elusive pollen.
that makes sense.
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I was perusing the seed collection today cause I love to do that and I took a few pics.
These seeds are one pack of 2 we had. The other pack was sent in to an auction to help Motarebel (or motorbell as some like to call him) with legal fees/expenses due to his bust.

That pack fetched over $200 US Isn't that something? I know some packs sell for lots more but wow 20 bucks PER seed!
I believe it has to do with the oguana kush that is half of this (oger's kush x herijuana)
Jenna and I are gonna run this cross eventually just to see what the hype is.
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Mota could have been a car guy who kept a large bell on the side of his car so he could alert wildlife to his position when he was driving thus avoiding accidents....then motorbell would make perfect sense for a nick.
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