spring 2011 outdoor discussion thread of threadiness

[kitch]

so I've only really fucked around with plants a little. Never even gotten to flowering or anything. I know a few growers and have seen some indoor grows and what not but can't really afford everything right now.

I'm planning on growing outdoors this spring. I live in New England and there are a few decent sized chunks of woods around me. What I've been doing is looking through google earth images and trying to find areas with the biggest gaps between roadways which will hopefully mean less foot traffic. I've then been going to those locations on foot and dropping GPS markers in places I can get to but think no one else would bother with.

My main concerns are the kind of soils we have and the possible nescessity of transporting nutrients into grow sites. Largely what we have is coniferous forests with a large layer of mulch before you hit any real soil. we also have a good deal of swampland but that tends to not get enough sunlight and I'd think the PH would be fucked. we have some deciduous forests with better soil but they tend to be a little too open and highly trafficked for my area.

I have access to a few strains of clones (the cheese, white berry, blue venom off the top of my head) I don't know if I should be looking at sativas or indicas for the climate and soil conditions we have around here.

I've been thinking about ordering some haze automatic seeds as well to try and get shit pumping as soon as possible, but with the nasty winter we're having I suspect the ground will be really wet well into spring. don't wanna drown my lil ones.

thoughts? suggestions? comments?

[kitch]

basically my primary questions are: would swamp or evergreen forest be a better growing environment? anyone have any experience with haze automatic and it's tolerances? I need a strain recomendation that'll kick ass and take names in terms of shitty soil and low light. I also believe both the swamps we have around here and the coniferous forests are pretty low PH. any recomendations for nutes I could use to neutralize the soil?

help from people whove grown outdoors in BC would be appreciated as it seems to be a reasonably similiar environment.

[LostanConfussed]

I dunno if u wanna autoflower cause it take 10 weeks from start to finish depending on when u want to plant it anyways..

i would think of testing the soil out in the woods to find out wut ur up against then u would know wut to add an not add

i tried a swampy erea once an i didnt get far not enough light an to watery the plant died...

Good luck
Lost

[kitch]

it's hard to PH test when everything is under 3 ft of snow. trying to have my gameplan in place asap.

[farmergiles]

Dolomitic lime will help neutralise pH, it also contains magnesium.

[Pharm Girl]

would swamp or evergreen forest be a better growing environment?

On the north-east side of the swamp....and...raise the beds...(you could use old tires but be sure to cover the white walls with moss)...you'll need to haul in 'The Soil Recipe'

[kitch]

I have some lime lying around anyway

why the northeast side? lots of the swamps I know pretty much abutt the ocean on the east side.

edit: do old tires around you srsly still have whitewall? an 'old tire' around here would prob be from 1990ish. just an observation but I think original whitewall tires go for good money even if they're in lousy condition.

[fenderbender]

you should definitely haul in some of your own dirt for sure.
At the very least enough to get it going.

[Sugar420]

so, you planning on planting seeds out ther in the wilderness? if so, the thing to do is plant a shitload of seeds and expect some loss. other wise it would be better to start them now indoors so they are fighting size by spring.
you will probably do best with some old fashioned strains like afghani or skunk.

[Pharm Girl]

why the northeast side?

North north east to be more precise....=sun all day!

do old tires around you srsly still have whitewall?

somma mine do...but mostly they have big bold white lettering which kinda stands out on from the air...especially in a swamp....camo is the key!

[kitch]

yeah I know I'm gonna lose a few to dumb kids who'll prolly pluck em before they even flower. I have exactly one metric fuckton of bagseed. I also have access to clones that are about 6 inches high for a reasonable price. the clones are of the strains I listed in the OP though and the farmers I know just throw those indoor strains up outdoors to mixed results.

Thinking about dropping a LITTLE loot on some nice outdoor seeds (durban poison maybe?) but for the moment I'm just gonna start throwing bagseed around more as a diversionary tactic than anything else.

also I think I need a new leather jacket as protection from the damn thorns. even in the winter these prickly bushes try to drag you down, but I figure they're a natural barrier between people and plants so I just need to get myself some armor.

[kitch]

no info about automatics from people who can speak coherent english? no offense lostan.

[LostanConfussed]

i have never tride automatics from wut i hear an have read 16" stick in 10 weeks start to finish that is......sry cant help ya thier some day i will grow one but havent yet


Lost

[farmergiles]

I think Lostan's posts are quite informative if you've the wit to understand them .

Transl- ruderalis may not be ideal for your purposes unless you really need a 10 week grow period. They will produce a 16" budsicle in that 10 weeks.

Also- you can't easily clone them.

The only grower here I know of who has much first hand experience of ruderalis is TheTrueShangsta but he hasn't been around much recently.
He kind of said they weren't that good as I remember.

You can plant out a quick finishing indica and it will beat a ruderalis for yield and quality and beat the frost- certainly in new england imo.

Edit v3d4s suggestions for genes are good imo.

[Cerebro]

I wouldn't go for a haze or an auto.
The cheese is a skunk, but i think it has pretty weak stems and isn't to suited to outdoors. i dont know the other 2, but they may work out. Your Durban Poison idea would prob work. It's a resilient strain. Afghani, Northern Lights maybe.
Your main concern should be light. If you cant find a spot with good/great light I wouldn't bother.
Soil under conifers sucks, and access to water is worse. The pH you mentioned, but the roots are very efficient feeders as well. I'd suggest carrying your own soil in this season, maybe you can dig a big hole once the ground thaws correct the pH, dump a load or organic material in and use that next year. I usually start plants in small pots and transport to site once they have established abit. Seedlings dont like the wild much. I then pot-up to a big pot with a built in water reservior, or a big saucer etc. Carrying water in is just as bad as soil some times.

[kitch]

so if I use the tire idea and pack the tires with good soil with swamp underneith to allow for proper nutrition while letting them draw water from the swamp would it give them everything they need? how about 5 gallon buckets? which would work better?

my current game plan is to play johnny cannabis seed with all this bag seed around this chunk of woods and just get as many plants up as possible regardless of health or other concerns, then take some good genetics and set them up in really swampy or thorny areas. How far apart should I keep them as a rule of thumb to make sure the high class ladies don't get knocked up by the bagseed males?

[Pharm Girl]

to allow for proper nutrition while letting them draw water from the swamp would it give them everything they need?

...yep

regardless of health or other concerns,

...poor plants....no one cares 'bout them

How far apart should I keep them as a rule of thumb to make sure the high class ladies don't get knocked up by the bagseed males?

3 per tire or at least not downwind....then sometime in august...if they're still there....they'll start showing their sex

[Cerebro]

i'd guess about 2kms
if you dont pull the males all nearby bud will be full of seeds

[Cerebro]

it's a measurement of distance

[kitch]

I read back over this thread and realized I had been extremely and unescessarily rude multiple times when I was asking for help. editing has been commenced. I appreciate all the help.