How can I use marijuana spirtually? any manuals? - Page 2

Matthewwp · 03-27-2006, 06:12 PM

"Spiritual" is an oxymoron. There is physical reality, and there are spirits; beings. We are human beings and we also have animals, and no doubt other living beings. Likewise there are different spiritual beings. Some disembodied spirits were called gods in ancient times, but the one true *omnipotent God (*which of course is a requirement to wear the title) made it clear early on (the flood, the exodus et al) that there was only one God.
So there is one great spirit and mankind has agreed on that and we call it civilization. Of course punks who live with their parents or on student loans say anarchy would be better, but that's because they live in civilization and can be weak and dumb and still survive. Were there anarchy my gang would kill them and take their women (joke).
No God is plain and obvious and Satan is subtle and sneaky as always. Kind of like parents and teens; parents do all the work and are treated like dorks while teens suck the fridge dry and dis the oparents. This is how we treat God and in His infinite mercy He does not squash us like bugs but instead sends His favorite son to die in our place.
This is because when the old body dies the spirit man does not; it is spirit; made of the same substance as God; it cannot die. It, or rather we, must be judged; on this all religions and philosphy agree; karmic retribution is inevitable.
So the One almighty God who begat the rest of us, including Lucifer, who rebelled against God (as do we) has allowed us to have free wills and Satan to run the world system. So we have guys like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove running America under Satan's 1 world order, and you are not running to your bookstore to buy a New Testament so you can read what Jesus said about how to kick Satan's ass?

No all sentient beings are spirit beings housed in a body and the mind is the go between. Humans, Angels, God, Satan, demons, aliens; all spirit beings; this is the essence of who we are; when the body dies we still have a nose, head, arms and legs, etc; thousands of people over the centuries have written life after death experiences; peoople fall thruy ice and live after being dead for up to an hour!
The scary part is they all have one of 2 experiences:
1) "I saw a light an heard my grandmother, I was greeted by angels and walked down a tunnel of light"
2) "I was full of fear, something was grabbing at my ankles, pulling me down...."

GO ahead if you aren't a bunch of posers; get a book on life after death experiences and read it. Then read what Jesus said; the words are in red.

Bottom line what are you seeking? If you open your mind to anything someone might dump garbage into it.

snapshot · 03-27-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthewwp

Bottom line what are you seeking? If you open your mind to anything someone might dump garbage into it.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Paranoid Android · 03-27-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch Action

You could try and get in touch with yourself while high, but it's a high chance you wont obtain any knowledge from it.

being under the influence of anything only gets you to the lower astral planes. Which is alright, but not as intense as the higher planes offer...

I disagree fully.

Weed, for me, opens up my mind and seems to enhance things minorly (sort of like shrooms, except not as intense)

03-27-2006, 07:51 PM

^ I'm kinda with him. I believe it opens my mind to things I could NEVER think of while sober. It's just an awesome state of mind where you can think creativly about anything. It makes your thoughts basicly flow togeather with ease. I don't think marijuana alone will give you any spirtiual feelings but I believe once your mind is opened up your mind can open its self up to the world. People all over yahooka exclaim that your mind is a powerful thing. I believe that too, that's why I think if you meditate and get your body and mind ready for a new state of mind you've never been to before. You just have to let it flow and open up your mind.

Liquid Karma · 01-01-2007, 08:52 PM

get really stoned and bake weed cookies and brownies
then take them to church and share it with all the old ppl

Captdoug713 · 01-01-2007, 11:12 PM

Cannabis is very spiritual to me. I use it to connect to my higher power.
Look here for more info.
http://www.thc-ministry.net/home.htm

Captdoug713 · 01-01-2007, 11:29 PM

http://www.jahbranch.com/

Beyonder · 01-02-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by portland_blues

theres the book called "the tebetan book of the dead" by timothy leary and that book is for lsd, but wheres a book for undergoing a spirtual smoke?

peace
bryan

What do you mean by a 'spiritual smoke'? Smoking pot is just that; smoking pot. The I Ching gives an analysis of intoxication in hexagram 22; Grace.

Quote:

22. Pi / Grace

above KêN KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN
below LI THE CLINGING, FIRE

This hexagram shows a fire that breaks out of the secret depths of the earth
and, blazing up, illuminates and beautifies the mountain, the heavenly
heights. Grace-beauty of form-is necessary in any union if it is to be well
ordered and pleasing rather than disordered and chaotic.

THE JUDGMENT

GRACE has success.
In small matters
It is favorable to undertake something.

Grace brings success. However, it is not the essential or fundamental thing; it
is only the ornament and therefore be used sparingly and only in little things.
In the lower trigram of fire a yielding line comes between two strong lines
and makes them beautiful, but the strong lines are the essential content and
the weak line is the beautifying form. In the upper trigram of the mountain,
the strong line takes the lead, so that here again the strong element must be
regarded as the decisive factor. In nature we see in the sky the strong light of
the sun; the life of the world depends on it. But this strong, essential thing is
changed and given pleasing variety by the moon and the stars. In human
affairs, aesthetic form comes into being when traditions exist that, strong and
abiding like mountains, are made pleasing by a lucid beauty. By
contemplating the forms existing in the heavens we come to understand time
and its changing demands. Through contemplation of the forms existing in
human society it becomes possible to shape the world.

THE IMAGE

Fire at the foot of the mountain:
The image of GRACE.
Thus does the superior man proceed
When clearing up current affairs.
But he dare not decide controversial issues in this way.

The fire, whose light illuminates the mountain and makes it pleasing, does
not shine far; in the same way, beautiful form suffices to brighten and to
throw light upon matters of lesser moment, but important questions cannot
be decided in this way. They require greater earnestness.

THE LINES

Nine at the beginning means:
He lends grace to his toes, leaves the carriage, and walks.

A beginner in subordinate place must take upon himself the labor of
advancing. There might be an opportunity of surreptitiously easing the way-
symbolized by the carriage-but a self-contained man scorns help gained in a
dubious fashion. He thinks it more graceful to go on foot than to drive in a
carriage under false pretenses.

° Six in the second place means:
Lends grace to the beard on his chin.

The beard is not an independent thing; it moves only with the chin. The
image therefore means that form is to be considered only as a result and
attribute of content. The beard is a superfluous ornament. To devote care to it
for its own sake, without regard for the inner content of which it is an
ornament, would bespeak a certain vanity.

Nine in the third place means:
Graceful and moist.
Constant perseverance brings good fortune.

This represents a very charming life situation. One is under the spell of grace
and the mellow mood induced by wine. This grace can adorn, but it can also
swamp us. Hence the warning not to sink into convivial indolence but to
remain constant in perseverance. Good fortune depends on this.

Six in the fourth place means:
Grace or simplicity?
A white horse comes as if on wings.
He is not a robber,
He will woo at the right time.

An individual is in a situation in which doubts arise as to which is better-to
pursue the grace of external brilliance, or to return to simplicity. The doubt
itself implies the answer. Confirmation comes from the outside; it comes like
a white winged horse. The white color indicates simplicity. At first it may be
disappointing to renounce the comforts that might have been obtained, yet
one finds peace of mind in a true relationship with the friend who courts
him. The winged horse is the symbol of the thoughts that transcend all limits
of space and time.

Six in the fifth place means:
Grace in the hills and gardens.
The roll of silk is meager and small.
Humiliation, but in the end good fortune.

A man withdraws from contact with people of the lowlands, who seek
nothing but magnificence and luxury, in to the solitude of the heights. There
he finds an individual to look up to, whom he would like to have as a friend.
But the gifts he has to offer are poor and few, so that he feels ashamed.
However, it is not the material gifts that count, but sincerity of feeling, and so
all goes well in the end.

° Nine at the top means:
Simple grace. No blame.

Here at the highest stage of development all ornament is discarded. Form no
longer conceals content but brings out its value to the full. Perfect grace
consists not in exterior ornamentation of the substance, but in the simple
fitness of its form.

Waves · 01-02-2007, 09:39 PM

smoke a gram, sit down, put on some music, and relax as much as possible. shit will start to happen! get yourself into a trance state and contemplate spirituality, what it means to you. how it applies to your life and the direction you've chosen.

marijuana can be a very spiritual tool! it enhances your perception- colors are more "colorer", sounds are more "sounderer", taste is more "tastier." it opens your awareness- it shows you things you werent aware of before. it allows your awareness a certain fluidity- connections are made easier. sit down, smoke some weed, and contemplate different topics. reality. perception. awareness. weed can clear your vision if you use it correctly.

Jeff120 · 01-26-2007, 05:07 PM

marijuana can be used spirtually by thinking about religious ideas while your high

most of the time it happens by accident you cant force it

eventually your mind will just hit some religious ideas and then you will start to think about different possibilities

its very interesting

**~~Lurker(W.Can)(M~~** · 07-01-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

give thanx and praises!
if you want to recieve the ganja as a sacrament,
then you must recieve it as a sacrament,
with gladness, with thanx and praises and love

And that is what it is all about. Receive the gifts with gladness, thanx, praise and love.

MelT · 08-03-2009, 11:28 AM

I practice a form of Tibetan Buddhism, and I've always found that cannabis can aid meditation and meditation can increase the power of cannabis. I've got access to fairly extensive library on meditation and this is the only book I know of on the subject.

'Cannabis & Meditation - An Explorer's Guide' The Second Edition has just come out, though it isn't shown as suchon the web site.

Headstuff Books | Home

MelT

Mydriasis · 08-03-2009, 11:44 AM

I think the reason why hashish and cannabis have been used for thousands of years by spiritual beings is because of it's properties. It allows the mind to be free from the body. Ever have an OBE from smoking some super funk(fasting helps encourage this)?

As veda says, the substance your putting into yourself must be loved and warranted. If it's not it will not love and warrant you. Often times people don't realize this, that plants are alive, and so are chemicals.

The mind and body are comprised of bajillions of energy connections to quantum-bio-computers(our cells which are also made up of energy). I assume energy is infinite, as it cannot be created nor destroyed, only displaced. So if you can displace the energy connections of your 'mind' by freeing their aim to their 'body', I'll be damned if you don't have a spiritual experience.

Now a guide? Who can tell you how to tell yourself to project your spirit/energy/astral body into another realm? I believe only you can. Sure looking into it can help, but in order to get somewere IMO you have to understand not to understand. You have to be free, to be free(redundant but I think worthy of expressing).

You should not be being observed, you should not have thought, you should not have too much or too little focus(not the thinking kind of focus). Words don't do justice for the wonderment of that state of being. I find a big obstacle in this kind of experiance is permeating time What happens inbetween a nano-second every day is ridiculous on a molecular level, it's part of capturing that. Cannabis helps slow down time or so it may seem, but something like mescaline can completely shatter time.

I just wish I could go into it every-time I tried.

**~~Scion~~** · 08-03-2009, 08:58 PM

meditate
clear your mind
get naked
fast
vegetarian food
smoke it
repeate

MelT · 08-04-2009, 02:37 AM

This is particularly relevant to the higher schools of meditation, Mahamudra and Dzogchen (my own tradition), which employ a completely different approach to that of the lower Vipassana/Shamatha traditions. I'm happy to explain further about this aspect in other posts, but for now just bear in mind that the Western idea of meditation being all about morality, or sitting in concentrative states and trying to 'transcend' this reality and reach some kind of spiritual plane is far from being the full picture. Ultimately, meditation isn't about going anywhere, but understanding what and where you are right now, here in this moment.

Why cannabis and meditation?

Why do some cannabis users seem to get shifts in awareness, or find themselves growing more 'spiritually-minded' as time goes by? And how can a drug that seems to induce soporific states have any place in meditation? Doesn't Buddhism in particular warn against the use of any intoxicant as being detrimental to meditation?

Well, actually what the Buddha warned against was the use of intoxicants that may result in you losing proper awareness of reality, 'mindfulness'. But, using cannabis, depending on type, dosage and personal circumstances at the time of ingestion, doesn't always result in us becoming vegged-out and half-asleep. On the contrary, the states it can bring on are sometimes anything but vegged out, and it can actually create a far more balanced and lucid state of mind than just about any other recreational drug.

The ability of cannabis to get you to this state is one of the main reasons why it's of so much use when combined with both traditional focussing ('shamatha') meditation styles and the higher schools. One of the aims of all traditional meditation schools is to get you to a point where you can turn on, or remain permanently in, a state where you feel happy, totally relaxed and very mindful (aware) of the here and now. If we have a drug that allows us, with practise, to access this frame of mind, then it can reduce the time that you would normally spend on reaching this point, allowing you to go a little deeper more quickly and easily than you might without it. Being at the just right level of high can provide a good basis for us to meditate effectively within.

The reason that these simple basics - happiness, relaxation and mindfulness - are so important is because a relaxed and happy mind is clearer and more able to sense the subtle changes in awareness that can lead to powerful meditation experiences. If the basics are in place as you meditate then you're far more likely to get a proper glimpse of enlightenment as you do so.

Reality

At one end of the spectrum there are traditional meditation methods that most of you will be familiar with, and there's no doubt that cannabis can help substantially with them. But at the highest levels of practise, meditation is far less about reaching specific states of mind, and much more about understanding the true nature of reality in an ultimate sense. Understanding reality correctly is the most powerful trigger for experiences of enlightenment that there are, and Zen in particular is is full of stories where this knowledge has triggered realisation, or 'Kensho', in its practitioners. Basic Buddhist Mahayana for example would say that using its methods (morality and instructions from the Sutras, words of the Buddha) it will take many lifetimes to reach enlightenment, whereas it's quite feasible in the higher traditions to reach enlightenment in just one lifetime using correct understanding of reality. This understanding can be so powerful that it can trigger instant realisation in those who may never have meditated a day in their lives before.

For it to really work at its best however, again we need to be in pretty much the same state that a good high can bring on. This means that when we're high we can inadvertantly be very receptive to correct knowledge, and can have spontaneous blisses, or experience altered states, just by thinking about reality in the right way. People who are high do commonly ponder the nature of reality and other deep questions, and on occassion will find themselves accessing a 'something' that they may not fully grasp, only knowing that they've somehow stumbled across a sense of a greater reality and their place within it. This sense of other can tickle away at the edges of consciousness in some, every time they're high, and it may need just a little study to turn these feelings into deep glimpses of realisation, 'Kensho'.

What is this 'right way' of thinking about reality? For most people within Eastern meditation traditions it means, as a beginning, understanding that reality isn't truly how it appears to our senses, that it's 'Sunyata', meaning that the whole of reality is a co-dependent unity that we can't truly say either exists nor does not exist. There are a number of articles describing different aspects of Sunyata ('emptiness') that will help you get a grasp of its full meaning, and a quick Google will reveal tens of key texts relevant to most traditions on the internet describing it. Regardless of whether you're actually interested in following these traditions or not, once you've begun to grasp Sunyata, the power of understanding - and experiences - will grow quickly within you.

Yes, cannabis can be misused, and it can over-shadow some types of meditation - but on the whole, when used properly, it can be an excellent aid to the Path as a whole.

hijabihippie · 08-05-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by portland_blues

theres the book called "the tebetan book of the dead" by timothy leary and that book is for lsd, but wheres a book for undergoing a spirtual smoke?

peace
bryan

Peace Be Unto You Bryan,

Check out Amazing Dope Tales by Stephen Gaskin.
His sexism notwithstanding, he's got some interesting things to say.

BibleGuy · 09-25-2009, 08:08 PM

I have zero "meditation" training beyond 1) sit down comfortably, 2) close eyes, 3) focus on breathing, slowly and deeply...

I have no idea how to quiet my mind, but the beauty is that cannabis does this for me and the meditation experience just comes... The only time I have trouble is when I "try" to meditate rather than being still and just letting it happen.

Here is a biblical perspective on your question.

It is a spiritual experience. Cannabis is particularly spiritual because in the physical realm "Spirit" is breath. Meditation techniques, so I've read, focus on breathing... centering... because breath is the center of our being and the basis for life and intellect. Now, when cannabis incense is consumed/offered as a sacrament to connect with God, the sacrament is sacred - that's why its called a sacrament. Sacramental incense is breathed and thus we have sacred breath. Curious... the words translated "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Ghost" in the New Testament are hagios pnuema, and their literal translation is "Sacred Breath".

In the Old Testament, Moses met with God in the Tent Of Meeting. This tent was fumigated with incense (you can guess what the incense was

). Inside the tent he was breathing this sacramental incense and thus he was in the Sacred Breath - and the Bible says that it was there that he met God face-to-face (talk about a meditation experience!).

Breathing is spiritual because your breath is your spirit.
Breathing cannabis is divinely spiritual because your are breathing Sacred Breath in order to connect with God, assuming that is your intent for using it "Spiritually".

Cannabis can help still you take you within for meditation and Jesus, like others, said that the kingdom of God is within you.

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luk 17:21)

And how do we get there?

For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (repose; be at rest; be still), and I will consider (to scan, that is, look intently at) in my dwelling place (properly a fixture, that is, a basis) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. (Isa 18:4)

There is some interesting interpolative text in the interpretation there, but the key points are:

Be still
Scan (meditate)
Clear heat upon herbs

You can see the meaning, yes? There aren't any meditation "techniques" listed alongside. The reason, I think, is because Qaneh (cannabis) circumvents most of the human effort other than simply cooperating by being still.

Be still, and know that I am God... (Psa 46:10)

I hope some of this is helpful.

ProfessorMurder · 09-27-2009, 08:32 PM

I've been using these techniques,
but I never put the scientific name to the process.

A combination of:

Vagus reflex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The vagus nerve plays a role in (amongst other things) controlling the pulse.
The vagus reflex is a reaction which can reduce the pulse rate during
tachycardia (racing pulse). The following stimuli may produce the vagus
reflex:

tensing the lower abdomen (similar to straining at stool)
gentle pressure on the closed eyes
a gulp of ice-cold water
splashing ice-cold water on the face
immersing the arms in ice-cold water
finger stuck down the throat
the insertion of an IV needle
cough or sneeze (involuntary or autonomic works best)
holding breath (after exhaling) - see Valsalva manoeuvre
insertion of an object into the uterus such as an IUD

Valsalva maneuver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Valsalva maneuver or Valsalva manoeuvre is performed by forcible
exhalation against a closed airway, usually done by closing one's mouth and
pinching one's nose shut. Variations of the maneuver can be used either in
medical examination as a test of cardiac function and autonomic nervous
control of the heart, or to "clear" the ears and sinuses (that is, to equalize
pressure between them) when ambient pressure changes, as in diving or
aviation.

Negative Resistance Training Tutorial Video ? 5min.com
Eccentric contraction involves the development of tension whilst the muscle is being lengthened

Muscle contraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In eccentric contraction, the force generated is insufficient to overcome the
external load on the muscle and the muscle fibers lengthen as they contract.
An eccentric contraction is used as a means of decelerating a body part or
object, or lowering a load gently rather than letting it drop.
(without weights)

And that's as far as I've gotten.

ProfessorMurder · 10-03-2009, 07:47 AM

Exercise and Relaxation: Correct Breathing for More Energy

If you pick up any article or go to most fitness sites and forums they will tell you that
holding your breath under any circumstances is dangerous.

Now if you were to hold it for 8 seconds or more, that's true. The internal pressure in the
chest and abdomen increases when you hold your breath on exertion.

If it increases greatly, it can squeeze down on the blood vessels shutting down blood
and oxygen to and from the heart. When this happens you can black out. This is rare and
only on maximum exertion.

Okay, so that is dangerous, holding your breath during maximal exertions for long
segments.

But can you hold your breath as an advanced trainee and actually increase the weight you lift?

In fact you can with a little technique called the Valsalva Maneuver. This involves
expiring against a closed glottis, which when combined with contracting muscles of the
abdomen and rib cage muscles, transforms your trunk into a stable and stronger support for some movements.

Often in advanced trainees, there are appropriate times in which you can hold your
breath on the exertion and provide up to 20 percent greater force, stabilize the spine and
prevent lower back injuries.

In fact, this little trick can transform your whole trunk, sometimes your whole body, into
a stable unit against which your hips, arms and shoulders can move more effective.

Of course this Valsalva Maneuver assumes that you are:

* an advanced athlete * without cardiovascular problems; high blood pressure or heart
problems * do not hold your breath for more than a few seconds

Inhaling and holding your breath comes naturally in many sports.

Using the Valsalva Maneuver is simple. You just:

1- Inhale during the less strenuous portion of the lift

2- Exhale after you have passed the sticking point

That's pretty much it. Take for example a heavy set of squats.

Picture yourself doing a very heavy squat and you are coming up out of the down
position very slowly. The amount of pressure being built up is quite great. To relieve
some of the pressure you would exhale slightly thru pursed lips.

But don't let all the air out!

Not until you have passed the sticking point or the most difficult portion of the exercise.

Clearly exhaling after the sticking point is important to relieve the built-up pressure.

My point is: The key is to be sure that you exhale after passing the sticking point, not before.

Proper breathing is essential in successfully executing strength movements, especially
when handling heavy weights.

Roach · 10-03-2009, 01:06 PM

In high school,

I learned to hold my breath for over a minute.

Senior Swim Instructor, Certified through the Red Cross @ a local YMCA.

Used to dive and swim ALOT !

my heart is just fine.

brain's a bit spongy...

back to topic-------------------------

No I don't feel cannabis is "spiritual", but then again I find the very concept of "spirituality" quite amusing, not unlike hypnotism.

now for some psycho-babble...

NLP or Neuro Linguistic Programming can be used positively to treat persons suffering from behavioral abnormalities, to improve the performance of individuals or to build up confidence in persons by injecting positive thoughts in the mind of the people. It makes use of various techniques and strategies that evolved from the subjective experience of the persons who practice neuro linguistic programming.

Neuro linguistic programming requires experience and trained individuals who have expertise in dealing with various techniques used for nlp. To become an nlp practitioner one has to undergo neuro linguistic training which will make him familiar with the basic techniques of this program. It will help him to get familiar with the various techniques that are used in nlp.

The results of the practical application of these techniques are totally dependent upon the character and response of the person undergoing the therapy. And no one can assure the success of a particular technique in all persons. You may have to experiment with various techniques on individuals in accordance with the reactions of the subjects. In short there exists no uniform or universal method for treating a particular problem in nlp. Most of the time, the practitioners will be compelled to formulate new techniques to treat the person who stand beyond their expectations.

A person who wants to practice neuro linguistic programming has to be aware of all the different techniques to be used in nlp. This training program that provides the basic knowledge about different techniques of neuro linguistic programming is known as nlp training. Finding a right place to learn the techniques of neuro linguistic programming is not a difficult task. You can avail the service of expert nlp trainers by registering with the websites that provide online nlp training. Many web sites that arrange online nlp training also set up forums of nlp practitioners with an intention to enable them to share their experience in handling different situations. It will help you to learn more about the practical side of the neuro linguistic programming.

Nlp training can be positively used by a person for self development. Getting scientific training in neuro linguistic programming will help you to improve your confidence level and to improve the quality of your performance. It ca be used as a powerful and effective tool for those who are involved in HR management and sales. They will be bale to win the confidence of the customers as well as his fellow workers by learning the techniques of nlp through nlp training.

I treat marijuana as medicine.

but for those who don't ;

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Captdoug713 Thats my fucknjobasshole! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North America Posts: 1,262 Thanks: 134 Thanked 75 Times in 51 Posts	Cannabis is very spiritual to me. I use it to connect to my higher power. Look here for more info. http://www.thc-ministry.net/home.htm __________________ Don't step on the grass, Sam "Freedom in general may be defined as the absence of obstacles to the realization of desires." Morality is doing whats right no matter what your told. Faith is is doing what your told do matter if its right or wrong. :

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Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	smoke a gram, sit down, put on some music, and relax as much as possible. shit will start to happen! get yourself into a trance state and contemplate spirituality, what it means to you. how it applies to your life and the direction you've chosen. marijuana can be a very spiritual tool! it enhances your perception- colors are more "colorer", sounds are more "sounderer", taste is more "tastier." it opens your awareness- it shows you things you werent aware of before. it allows your awareness a certain fluidity- connections are made easier. sit down, smoke some weed, and contemplate different topics. reality. perception. awareness. weed can clear your vision if you use it correctly. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

08-03-2009, 11:44 AM	#33 (permalink)
Mydriasis Do Not Resuscitate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,293 Thanks: 840 Thanked 431 Times in 298 Posts	I think the reason why hashish and cannabis have been used for thousands of years by spiritual beings is because of it's properties. It allows the mind to be free from the body. Ever have an OBE from smoking some super funk(fasting helps encourage this)? As veda says, the substance your putting into yourself must be loved and warranted. If it's not it will not love and warrant you. Often times people don't realize this, that plants are alive, and so are chemicals. The mind and body are comprised of bajillions of energy connections to quantum-bio-computers(our cells which are also made up of energy). I assume energy is infinite, as it cannot be created nor destroyed, only displaced. So if you can displace the energy connections of your 'mind' by freeing their aim to their 'body', I'll be damned if you don't have a spiritual experience. Now a guide? Who can tell you how to tell yourself to project your spirit/energy/astral body into another realm? I believe only you can. Sure looking into it can help, but in order to get somewere IMO you have to understand not to understand. You have to be free, to be free(redundant but I think worthy of expressing). You should not be being observed, you should not have thought, you should not have too much or too little focus(not the thinking kind of focus). Words don't do justice for the wonderment of that state of being. I find a big obstacle in this kind of experiance is permeating time What happens inbetween a nano-second every day is ridiculous on a molecular level, it's part of capturing that. Cannabis helps slow down time or so it may seem, but something like mescaline can completely shatter time. I just wish I could go into it every-time I tried. __________________ ۞ Last edited by Mydriasis; 08-03-2009 at 11:52 AM.

03-27-2006, 06:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Matthewwp Old School Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Clarksville, TN, USA Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"Spiritual" is an oxymoron. There is physical reality, and there are spirits; beings. We are human beings and we also have animals, and no doubt other living beings. Likewise there are different spiritual beings. Some disembodied spirits were called gods in ancient times, but the one true omnipotent God (which of course is a requirement to wear the title) made it clear early on (the flood, the exodus et al) that there was only one God. So there is one great spirit and mankind has agreed on that and we call it civilization. Of course punks who live with their parents or on student loans say anarchy would be better, but that's because they live in civilization and can be weak and dumb and still survive. Were there anarchy my gang would kill them and take their women (joke). No God is plain and obvious and Satan is subtle and sneaky as always. Kind of like parents and teens; parents do all the work and are treated like dorks while teens suck the fridge dry and dis the oparents. This is how we treat God and in His infinite mercy He does not squash us like bugs but instead sends His favorite son to die in our place. This is because when the old body dies the spirit man does not; it is spirit; made of the same substance as God; it cannot die. It, or rather we, must be judged; on this all religions and philosphy agree; karmic retribution is inevitable. So the One almighty God who begat the rest of us, including Lucifer, who rebelled against God (as do we) has allowed us to have free wills and Satan to run the world system. So we have guys like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove running America under Satan's 1 world order, and you are not running to your bookstore to buy a New Testament so you can read what Jesus said about how to kick Satan's ass? No all sentient beings are spirit beings housed in a body and the mind is the go between. Humans, Angels, God, Satan, demons, aliens; all spirit beings; this is the essence of who we are; when the body dies we still have a nose, head, arms and legs, etc; thousands of people over the centuries have written life after death experiences; peoople fall thruy ice and live after being dead for up to an hour! The scary part is they all have one of 2 experiences: 1) "I saw a light an heard my grandmother, I was greeted by angels and walked down a tunnel of light" 2) "I was full of fear, something was grabbing at my ankles, pulling me down...." GO ahead if you aren't a bunch of posers; get a book on life after death experiences and read it. Then read what Jesus said; the words are in red. Bottom line what are you seeking? If you open your mind to anything someone might dump garbage into it.

03-27-2006, 07:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
trab1925 Guest Posts: n/a	^ I'm kinda with him. I believe it opens my mind to things I could NEVER think of while sober. It's just an awesome state of mind where you can think creativly about anything. It makes your thoughts basicly flow togeather with ease. I don't think marijuana alone will give you any spirtiual feelings but I believe once your mind is opened up your mind can open its self up to the world. People all over yahooka exclaim that your mind is a powerful thing. I believe that too, that's why I think if you meditate and get your body and mind ready for a new state of mind you've never been to before. You just have to let it flow and open up your mind.

01-26-2007, 05:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
Jeff120 YaHookan Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 554 Thanks: 19 Thanked 23 Times in 15 Posts	marijuana can be used spirtually by thinking about religious ideas while your high most of the time it happens by accident you cant force it eventually your mind will just hit some religious ideas and then you will start to think about different possibilities its very interesting

08-03-2009, 11:28 AM	#32 (permalink)
MelT YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I practice a form of Tibetan Buddhism, and I've always found that cannabis can aid meditation and meditation can increase the power of cannabis. I've got access to fairly extensive library on meditation and this is the only book I know of on the subject. 'Cannabis & Meditation - An Explorer's Guide' The Second Edition has just come out, though it isn't shown as suchon the web site. Headstuff Books \| Home MelT

08-03-2009, 08:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
~~Scion~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	meditate clear your mind get naked fast vegetarian food smoke it repeate

08-04-2009, 02:37 AM	#35 (permalink)
MelT YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is particularly relevant to the higher schools of meditation, Mahamudra and Dzogchen (my own tradition), which employ a completely different approach to that of the lower Vipassana/Shamatha traditions. I'm happy to explain further about this aspect in other posts, but for now just bear in mind that the Western idea of meditation being all about morality, or sitting in concentrative states and trying to 'transcend' this reality and reach some kind of spiritual plane is far from being the full picture. Ultimately, meditation isn't about going anywhere, but understanding what and where you are right now, here in this moment. Why cannabis and meditation? Why do some cannabis users seem to get shifts in awareness, or find themselves growing more 'spiritually-minded' as time goes by? And how can a drug that seems to induce soporific states have any place in meditation? Doesn't Buddhism in particular warn against the use of any intoxicant as being detrimental to meditation? Well, actually what the Buddha warned against was the use of intoxicants that may result in you losing proper awareness of reality, 'mindfulness'. But, using cannabis, depending on type, dosage and personal circumstances at the time of ingestion, doesn't always result in us becoming vegged-out and half-asleep. On the contrary, the states it can bring on are sometimes anything but vegged out, and it can actually create a far more balanced and lucid state of mind than just about any other recreational drug. The ability of cannabis to get you to this state is one of the main reasons why it's of so much use when combined with both traditional focussing ('shamatha') meditation styles and the higher schools. One of the aims of all traditional meditation schools is to get you to a point where you can turn on, or remain permanently in, a state where you feel happy, totally relaxed and very mindful (aware) of the here and now. If we have a drug that allows us, with practise, to access this frame of mind, then it can reduce the time that you would normally spend on reaching this point, allowing you to go a little deeper more quickly and easily than you might without it. Being at the just right level of high can provide a good basis for us to meditate effectively within. The reason that these simple basics - happiness, relaxation and mindfulness - are so important is because a relaxed and happy mind is clearer and more able to sense the subtle changes in awareness that can lead to powerful meditation experiences. If the basics are in place as you meditate then you're far more likely to get a proper glimpse of enlightenment as you do so. Reality At one end of the spectrum there are traditional meditation methods that most of you will be familiar with, and there's no doubt that cannabis can help substantially with them. But at the highest levels of practise, meditation is far less about reaching specific states of mind, and much more about understanding the true nature of reality in an ultimate sense. Understanding reality correctly is the most powerful trigger for experiences of enlightenment that there are, and Zen in particular is is full of stories where this knowledge has triggered realisation, or 'Kensho', in its practitioners. Basic Buddhist Mahayana for example would say that using its methods (morality and instructions from the Sutras, words of the Buddha) it will take many lifetimes to reach enlightenment, whereas it's quite feasible in the higher traditions to reach enlightenment in just one lifetime using correct understanding of reality. This understanding can be so powerful that it can trigger instant realisation in those who may never have meditated a day in their lives before. For it to really work at its best however, again we need to be in pretty much the same state that a good high can bring on. This means that when we're high we can inadvertantly be very receptive to correct knowledge, and can have spontaneous blisses, or experience altered states, just by thinking about reality in the right way. People who are high do commonly ponder the nature of reality and other deep questions, and on occassion will find themselves accessing a 'something' that they may not fully grasp, only knowing that they've somehow stumbled across a sense of a greater reality and their place within it. This sense of other can tickle away at the edges of consciousness in some, every time they're high, and it may need just a little study to turn these feelings into deep glimpses of realisation, 'Kensho'. What is this 'right way' of thinking about reality? For most people within Eastern meditation traditions it means, as a beginning, understanding that reality isn't truly how it appears to our senses, that it's 'Sunyata', meaning that the whole of reality is a co-dependent unity that we can't truly say either exists nor does not exist. There are a number of articles describing different aspects of Sunyata ('emptiness') that will help you get a grasp of its full meaning, and a quick Google will reveal tens of key texts relevant to most traditions on the internet describing it. Regardless of whether you're actually interested in following these traditions or not, once you've begun to grasp Sunyata, the power of understanding - and experiences - will grow quickly within you. Yes, cannabis can be misused, and it can over-shadow some types of meditation - but on the whole, when used properly, it can be an excellent aid to the Path as a whole.

09-25-2009, 08:08 PM	#37 (permalink)
BibleGuy YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 328 Thanks: 137 Thanked 136 Times in 85 Posts	I have zero "meditation" training beyond 1) sit down comfortably, 2) close eyes, 3) focus on breathing, slowly and deeply... I have no idea how to quiet my mind, but the beauty is that cannabis does this for me and the meditation experience just comes... The only time I have trouble is when I "try" to meditate rather than being still and just letting it happen. Here is a biblical perspective on your question. It is a spiritual experience. Cannabis is particularly spiritual because in the physical realm "Spirit" is breath. Meditation techniques, so I've read, focus on breathing... centering... because breath is the center of our being and the basis for life and intellect. Now, when cannabis incense is consumed/offered as a sacrament to connect with God, the sacrament is sacred - that's why its called a sacrament. Sacramental incense is breathed and thus we have sacred breath. Curious... the words translated "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Ghost" in the New Testament are hagios pnuema, and their literal translation is "Sacred Breath". In the Old Testament, Moses met with God in the Tent Of Meeting. This tent was fumigated with incense (you can guess what the incense was ). Inside the tent he was breathing this sacramental incense and thus he was in the Sacred Breath - and the Bible says that it was there that he met God face-to-face (talk about a meditation experience!). Breathing is spiritual because your breath is your spirit. Breathing cannabis is divinely spiritual because your are breathing Sacred Breath in order to connect with God, assuming that is your intent for using it "Spiritually". Cannabis can help still you take you within for meditation and Jesus, like others, said that the kingdom of God is within you. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luk 17:21) And how do we get there? For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (repose; be at rest; be still), and I will consider (to scan, that is, look intently at) in my dwelling place (properly a fixture, that is, a basis) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. (Isa 18:4) There is some interesting interpolative text in the interpretation there, but the key points are: Be still Scan (meditate) Clear heat upon herbs You can see the meaning, yes? There aren't any meditation "techniques" listed alongside. The reason, I think, is because Qaneh (cannabis) circumvents most of the human effort other than simply cooperating by being still. Be still, and know that I am God... (Psa 46:10) I hope some of this is helpful.

09-27-2009, 08:32 PM	#38 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	I've been using these techniques, but I never put the scientific name to the process. A combination of: Vagus reflex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The vagus nerve plays a role in (amongst other things) controlling the pulse. The vagus reflex is a reaction which can reduce the pulse rate during tachycardia (racing pulse). The following stimuli may produce the vagus reflex: tensing the lower abdomen (similar to straining at stool) gentle pressure on the closed eyes a gulp of ice-cold water splashing ice-cold water on the face immersing the arms in ice-cold water finger stuck down the throat the insertion of an IV needle cough or sneeze (involuntary or autonomic works best) holding breath (after exhaling) - see Valsalva manoeuvre insertion of an object into the uterus such as an IUD Valsalva maneuver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Valsalva maneuver or Valsalva manoeuvre is performed by forcible exhalation against a closed airway, usually done by closing one's mouth and pinching one's nose shut. Variations of the maneuver can be used either in medical examination as a test of cardiac function and autonomic nervous control of the heart, or to "clear" the ears and sinuses (that is, to equalize pressure between them) when ambient pressure changes, as in diving or aviation. Negative Resistance Training Tutorial Video ? 5min.com Eccentric contraction involves the development of tension whilst the muscle is being lengthened Muscle contraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In eccentric contraction, the force generated is insufficient to overcome the external load on the muscle and the muscle fibers lengthen as they contract. An eccentric contraction is used as a means of decelerating a body part or object, or lowering a load gently rather than letting it drop. (without weights) And that's as far as I've gotten. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!" Last edited by ProfessorMurder; 09-27-2009 at 08:34 PM.

10-03-2009, 07:47 AM	#39 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	Exercise and Relaxation: Correct Breathing for More Energy If you pick up any article or go to most fitness sites and forums they will tell you that holding your breath under any circumstances is dangerous. Now if you were to hold it for 8 seconds or more, that's true. The internal pressure in the chest and abdomen increases when you hold your breath on exertion. If it increases greatly, it can squeeze down on the blood vessels shutting down blood and oxygen to and from the heart. When this happens you can black out. This is rare and only on maximum exertion. Okay, so that is dangerous, holding your breath during maximal exertions for long segments. But can you hold your breath as an advanced trainee and actually increase the weight you lift? In fact you can with a little technique called the Valsalva Maneuver. This involves expiring against a closed glottis, which when combined with contracting muscles of the abdomen and rib cage muscles, transforms your trunk into a stable and stronger support for some movements. Often in advanced trainees, there are appropriate times in which you can hold your breath on the exertion and provide up to 20 percent greater force, stabilize the spine and prevent lower back injuries. In fact, this little trick can transform your whole trunk, sometimes your whole body, into a stable unit against which your hips, arms and shoulders can move more effective. Of course this Valsalva Maneuver assumes that you are: * an advanced athlete * without cardiovascular problems; high blood pressure or heart problems * do not hold your breath for more than a few seconds Inhaling and holding your breath comes naturally in many sports. Using the Valsalva Maneuver is simple. You just: 1- Inhale during the less strenuous portion of the lift 2- Exhale after you have passed the sticking point That's pretty much it. Take for example a heavy set of squats. Picture yourself doing a very heavy squat and you are coming up out of the down position very slowly. The amount of pressure being built up is quite great. To relieve some of the pressure you would exhale slightly thru pursed lips. But don't let all the air out! Not until you have passed the sticking point or the most difficult portion of the exercise. Clearly exhaling after the sticking point is important to relieve the built-up pressure. My point is: The key is to be sure that you exhale after passing the sticking point, not before. Proper breathing is essential in successfully executing strength movements, especially when handling heavy weights. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

10-03-2009, 01:06 PM	#40 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	In high school, I learned to hold my breath for over a minute. Senior Swim Instructor, Certified through the Red Cross @ a local YMCA. Used to dive and swim ALOT ! my heart is just fine. brain's a bit spongy... back to topic------------------------- No I don't feel cannabis is "spiritual", but then again I find the very concept of "spirituality" quite amusing, not unlike hypnotism. now for some psycho-babble... NLP or Neuro Linguistic Programming can be used positively to treat persons suffering from behavioral abnormalities, to improve the performance of individuals or to build up confidence in persons by injecting positive thoughts in the mind of the people. It makes use of various techniques and strategies that evolved from the subjective experience of the persons who practice neuro linguistic programming. Neuro linguistic programming requires experience and trained individuals who have expertise in dealing with various techniques used for nlp. To become an nlp practitioner one has to undergo neuro linguistic training which will make him familiar with the basic techniques of this program. It will help him to get familiar with the various techniques that are used in nlp. The results of the practical application of these techniques are totally dependent upon the character and response of the person undergoing the therapy. And no one can assure the success of a particular technique in all persons. You may have to experiment with various techniques on individuals in accordance with the reactions of the subjects. In short there exists no uniform or universal method for treating a particular problem in nlp. Most of the time, the practitioners will be compelled to formulate new techniques to treat the person who stand beyond their expectations. A person who wants to practice neuro linguistic programming has to be aware of all the different techniques to be used in nlp. This training program that provides the basic knowledge about different techniques of neuro linguistic programming is known as nlp training. Finding a right place to learn the techniques of neuro linguistic programming is not a difficult task. You can avail the service of expert nlp trainers by registering with the websites that provide online nlp training. Many web sites that arrange online nlp training also set up forums of nlp practitioners with an intention to enable them to share their experience in handling different situations. It will help you to learn more about the practical side of the neuro linguistic programming. Nlp training can be positively used by a person for self development. Getting scientific training in neuro linguistic programming will help you to improve your confidence level and to improve the quality of your performance. It ca be used as a powerful and effective tool for those who are involved in HR management and sales. They will be bale to win the confidence of the customers as well as his fellow workers by learning the techniques of nlp through nlp training. I treat marijuana as medicine. but for those who don't ; Headstuff Books \| Cannabis & Meditation \| About Dream yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Supplement / Herb / Drug Repository - Dreamviews lucid dreaming forums Lucid Dreaming Attached Images Last edited by Roach; 10-03-2009 at 01:37 PM.

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