The Rev

I suppose the events of the last few months were building up to it, looking back, but Saturday night I was still pretty knocked on my ass. I had my first Samadhi experience, my first glimpse of Enlightenment, as many spiritual practices call it when you see things as they actually are during meditation.

The thing is, I wasn't meditating at the time. I was drinking beer and smoking weed when it occured to me that not only are all things one, but its a fact so obvious that it's been easy for me to miss these last 39 years. It's been literally right in front of my face all this time. The most obvious thing in the world.

I'm still digesting this, so I won't go into too many details. However, the operative thought was: it all ends and begins with me - it is all made of me. And although I've understood this idea intellectually in many forms, I never really SAW it until Saturday, and now I see it clearly in everything.



The Rev

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turmaline

you and I need to have a long talk, infront of a large fire, ontop of a cliff in the desert somewhere, with a long large pipe, bongsmilie full of something good.

Ego Tripping

Oneness is the only thing there can be. Why? Well thing, if things were not connected, what would be "in between" all things? If you have two particles of matter, what would be in between? There would simply have to be a common "thing" or "stuff" that would connect these two different things...and that "stuff" would be common for both and thus, both particles would be One.

Once again: if anything is truly "seperate", what is in between the seperation?

The Big Bang states all things were "one" pinpoint that exploded....so its all still "one" pinpoint, just 'spread out.'

As far as it beginning and ending with you, well, without your perception, Oneness would be a bit moot.

Congrats though.

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DalandeMD

ooh turmie and rev i wanna get in on this transcendental action!

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reverie

Hey Rev, wow that seems very interesting . Did you get any visual images? If you remember them, do you mind elaborating and sharing them? I get alot of these kind of experiences with similar thoughts, usually right before bed and I've noticed a vast amount of information being recieved visually. Its amazing to hear other peoples experiences. If you don't mind, please share further.

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kRad

No everything begins and ends with me! I thought I already made a point of this. Grats, your on a good path now, dont let it go and dont let anyone tell you differently.

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verklingen

Such intuitive personal perceptions of the Absolute are indeed very rare at any age! You've overcome one obstacle, now for the rest!

Even if you consider your realization to be meditation-like, I would suggest you steer clear of seriously pursuing any regular meditative practices. Just keep doing what you're already doing and eventually you will come to see things even more clearly.

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Ego Tripping

I rarely come across much knowledge during meditation. Oddly enough, I find I get most of my revalations and epiphanies when driving....a bit metaphorical, don't you think?

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verklingen

One will never come across meaningful knowledge through the process of meditation. This is not possible in our current age of ignorance; this Kali Yuga.

Lord Sri Krishna Himself gives instruction to Arjuna, a very great devotee of His, and advises him against taking up a reclusive life of meditation and silence; for attaining liberation and blissful knowledge through these means is nearly impossible given the difficulties of this age. Arjuna's devotion to Krishna was so great that Krishna Himself gladly accepted the duty of driving Arjuna's chariot on the battlefield of Kuruksetra. This is a very great accolade and illustrates God's love for His devotees. If God saw that a pious, saintly, and very virtuous man such as Arjuna, to whom so many and then more honors are due, could not hope to achieve knowledge through meditative practices at the very beginning of Kali Yuga, what can we gross, dull, and thoroughly material creatures hope to achieve 5000 years into it?

All that is to be gained through meditation is a rest for the eyes, which is ultimately no gain at all.

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Ego Tripping

Never say never, I have had information be passed to me in a meditative state. But interesting nonetheless.

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JcPizwink

Rev, what exactly did you "see?" Mad cool.

Waves

you arent going deep enough

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Ego Tripping

Please elaborate.

But also...please do not assume...you have no idea how many Leauges I've gone......

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Waves

through meditation you can go talk to lord sri krishna himself

just because people have forgotten what meditation REALLY is doesnt mean its not useful. Like i said the main problem is people dont change focus enough to achieve any real results. if people only knew what was possible through meditation/lucid dreaming/astral projection

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Waves

well...if you get deep enough you can simply ask a question pertaining to your personal development and get a straight up answer. any question, any answer, straight up.

its a very very easy way of getting information, but it requires many years of practice unless you happen to be naturally good at astral projection/lucid dreaming whatever. you can also do loads of other stuff, like meet your "non physical family" as i call them, who will be just as surprised to see you as you are to see them. theres infinity possibilities in meditation.

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verklingen

I mean "never" in terms of the age we live in. In earlier ages the process of liberation through meditation was entirely attainable, however difficult it is.

One can receive information or come to certain realizations while in a meditative state whether this is brought on by simple meditation or induced by psychedelic substances. But this information cannot lead one closer to liberation or realization of the Absolute. In most cases, such information only serves to more firmly envelope the eternal spirit-soul in the material condition by falsely emphasizing a sense of eternity in the never-ending procession of cycles. While these material cycles exist and while they do indeed continue for eternity, the material condition is a condition of change, and is therefore non-eternal and distinctly differs from the nature of the spiritual platform, which is changeless.

Lord Krishna and His abode (Krshnaloka) are described as sat (eternal), cit (full of knowledge), and ananda (full of bliss). The material world is described as the opposite of these qualities, which is to say that it is transient, full of ignorance, and full of misery. Thus any realizations to be made while utilizing the modes of this material nature are reflections of the material nature: they reinforce the strangle-hold maya (illusion) has over our faculties of awareness. This is especially dangerous in our times, where delusion and ignorance are not only the norm, but have become popular, respectable qualities.

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verklingen

As I've alluded to before, no change in consciousness through material means (such as meditation) can have any real results. Again, any results derived therefrom serve to reinforce one's sense of the material condition as absolute, which is anything but the case.

EDIT: This is due to the qualities of the age in which we are now living. It is nothing against the practice of meditation itself, only against its spiritual applications: which are non-existent in this day and age.

For example, you may have heard of Buddhist monks who can achieve incredible things through meditation. I've heard of some monks who can survive freezing temperatures for hours on end through meditation, and others who can raise the temperature of their skin to such a degree that when a wet towel is placed upon them it steams and dries. These are very good tricks, but they, like meditation, will get you no closer to realization of the Absolute.

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Ego Tripping

Oh dude, thats not news to me. Whats funny is I woke up this morning feeling a bit recoiled from a lack of "connection" I've felt lately but a 'little birdy's voice' told me this morning in the shower "just look within yourself for every answer."

So thanks for posting this. The "synchs" line up again.

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Waves

What is this process of liberation you speak of? I was under the impression that i am as liberated now as i ever could be.
Now i need to realize some kind of absolution? Could you elaborate on the absolute and why/how i need to realize this absolute?
So now our "eternal spirit souls" are stuck inside of our body or something? And you believe meditation serves only to strengthen that bond?

What if i were to tell you that we are never *in*our bodies to begin with?
I agree, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt meditate for petes sake! And whos to say that the true nature of spirit is changeless? There could be just as much change in the afterlife as we see here on earth!
I dont think you can think of the world in terms of opposites. The whole idea of "opposite" is a belief construct that we created to deal with the PHYSICAL world and its matter, it doesnt mean that the afterlife is the opposite of anything. Theres just as much ignorance, misery and hate in the afterlife!
Sorry, its impossible to make a realization while utilizing modes of material nature. If your thinking, you are by definition utilizing your non physical faculty we call the MIND. So in other words, wether or not your meditating you are ALWAYS making realizations while utilizing the SAME faculty, which would be your mind.

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Waves

What does surviving freezing temperatures have to do with meditation?

Im not talking about meditating for material gain or to show off, such as these monks seem to be doing. that seems a bit silly to me.

I just dont get how the age we are living in matters when it comes to meditation.

would i have gotten better results if i had been meditating a couple thousand years ago? i dont think the day and age matters at ALL when it comes to "spiritual application" personally. and whos to say what "spiritual application" is anyway? for some people that might be having sex with some hot supermodel in a lucid dream, for others it might be having a discussion with an ancestor or religous leader. reality is way too subjective to declare that meditation has only 1 or 2 specific applications. you can literally do anything you want when you meditate, and the applications are infinity

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