Animal life vs Human Life - Page 4

Paranoid Android · 04-30-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TetraHydroCannabinol

I think cats kill mice for enjoyment, or maybe its instinct, but they dont do it for survival (usually, or maybe they would if we didnt give them cat food lol).

Wrong.

2 Days ago my cat was playing with a shrew, never killed it, impaled it yes. But didnt kill it. The next day it was still semi-alive near my front door.

In otherwards, it was just having fun.

Ass Bandit · 04-30-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

if you really think a humans body is "designed" to eat 10% meat you are rediculously stupid. sorry.

in case you havent noticed humans without tools cant hunt worth jack shit. we dont have claws, we dont have sharp teeth, we are slow and fat, and compared to most other predators have lackluster reflexes. we are natural vegetarians. we can process a small amount of meat in our digestive system. that doesnt mean we were "Designed" to eat a small amount of meat in our diet. that just means we can process small amounts of meat and stay healthy. just like you can smoke small amounts of cigarettes and stay healthy.

Humans without tools can't do anything worth jack shit. We can't farm any better than hunt without the proper tools. In fact, agriculture came along a lot later than hunting. No, we don't have teeth and claws - but we do come equipped with damn big brains, which have allowed us to make things that work in place of teeth and claws.

04-30-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoid Android

Wrong.

2 Days ago my cat was playing with a shrew, never killed it, impaled it yes. But didnt kill it. The next day it was still semi-alive near my front door.

In otherwards, it was just having fun.

my cat will find mice, kill it, then just play with the dead body for about an hour and just leave it sitting there...if he's fast enough to catch a bird he'll kill that and play with it too.

Waves · 04-30-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ass Bandit

Humans without tools can't do anything worth jack shit. We can't farm any better than hunt without the proper tools. In fact, agriculture came along a lot later than hunting. No, we don't have teeth and claws - but we do come equipped with damn big brains, which have allowed us to make things that work in place of teeth and claws.

listen...

humans and gorillas evolved from a common ancestor whos diet was 95% fruits and vegetables. that means before we evolved the brain power to farm or hunt, we were eating fruits and vegetables from the ground and from the trees and from bushes. we didnt hunt anything, we walked around eating shit we found in the forest. not that hard to comprehend.

Waves · 04-30-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baise

my cat will find mice, kill it, then just play with the dead body for about an hour and just leave it sitting there...if he's fast enough to catch a bird he'll kill that and play with it too.

the cat sees a bird/mouse and naturally thinks to kill it for food. thats how they have evolved for thousands of years. they have sharp teeth for chewing the meat. they have the speed to catch these animals. they do not see hunting as an act but as a necessity. humans on the other hand see it as a game. sport.

big difference. one is natural, one is stupid humans making stupid decisions.

04-30-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

the cat sees a bird/mouse and naturally thinks to kill it for food. thats how they have evolved for thousands of years. they have sharp teeth for chewing the meat. they have the speed to catch these animals. they do not see hunting as an act but as a necessity. humans on the other hand see it as a game. sport.

big difference. one is natural, one is stupid humans making stupid decisions.

thats all good and well...but my cat doesn't eat these animals, just plays with them and tosses the body aside when he is done.

Waves · 04-30-2006, 07:02 PM

because you feed it cat food and chances are it doesnt have a family to bring home dinner to. but you have to understand that hunting is what cats are naturally skilled to do. they are equipped with all the faculties to carry out what it needs to do to survive and reproduce. in nature that is kill small animals. an animal doesnt comprehend these types of things. its focused on surviving. humans have evolved past surviving, we should be eating diets of mass-produced fruits and vegetables, not mass-produced meat where they breed cows for food and cause more harm than you and me could ever comprehend.

Jimmy Coonan · 05-01-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by frendofthedevil

Bullshit.
Any idiot can get more than enough nutrients through a vegetarian diet, without even going near any supplements.

Agreed. Some people do run into trouble when they become vegetarians because they go about it like dumbasses and don't know what to eat for protein, but if you eat a balanced diet, you'll be fine without any supplements or vitamins or anything. Meat has been a scarce, expensive luxury item for most people in most places throughout history, and still is in some Third World countries. People get by fine without it.

shylo666 · 05-07-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

humans and gorillas evolved from a common ancestor whos diet was 95% fruits and vegetables. that means before we evolved the brain power to farm or hunt, we were eating fruits and vegetables from the ground and from the trees and from bushes. we didnt hunt anything, we walked around eating shit we found in the forest. not that hard to comprehend.

but was that an ideal diet? answer: HELL NO!

even at that time humans consumed protein. some of it was from accidental kills as well as from confiscating carcasses from other predators. the majority of it came from plants, in the form of nuts and legumes.

what you seem to be missing here, waves, is that protein is a requirement for human life. and the best and most easily accessible form of protein comes from animal flesh. at the beginning, we ate very little of it because it was hard to acquire. but the invention of tools and the banding together or groups made hunting (and therefore access to meat) easier and it's only been going up from there. now we're in a stage where we've got too much of a good thing and it's causing all kinds of problems.

the other thing you seem intent on ignoring is the importance of the human brain. it's our main tool for defense, shelter and nutrition. without our brains, humans are about the most helpless, ineffectual animal out there. we're small and weak for our size. we are very poorly equipped to survive in the elements. our bodies are not incredibly well adapted to any environment (save for out hands, which are also a part of are predilection to tool-making). it is our brains that have made us the dominant species and really, what have allowed us to survive for all these years. with our brains, we figured out how to use other animals pelts to keep us warm. we learned how to build shelters to help with this as well. we made tools to facilitate the building of these shelters as well as for acquiring and preparing our food sources. our brains are what make us great.

you can't argue that the only attributes humans have at their disposal are physical. our earliest ancestors were making crude stone tools such as spear heads and knives, for hunting and preparing meat. we have always been inventors; this is what makes us effective predators and the dominant species on the planet.

and waves, you never answered my question: have you ever taken a biology course? you natter on about science being so great and teaching us many things and eventually explaining all of the physical world, etc.

well, biology is about the most advance of the sciences in terms of having concrete answers. and bio says that humans were meant to eat meat. there's a great textbook i can recommend you that beautifully illustrates this point in very easy to understand terms; everything from jaw and tooth structure to the function of the pancreas. when i've got a minute, i'll look it up for you.

Waves · 05-07-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shylo666

but was that an ideal diet? answer: HELL NO!

even at that time humans consumed protein. some of it was from accidental kills as well as from confiscating carcasses from other predators. the majority of it came from plants, in the form of nuts and legumes.

what you seem to be missing here, waves, is that protein is a requirement for human life.

Roughly

5%

of our common ancestors diet was protein.

we dont need it, flat out. if you dont believe me go eat only vegetables for a year. you will be FINE, even MORE healthier than you are now! Science has convinced you to believe a lie all in the name of profit.

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the other thing you seem intent on ignoring is the importance of the human brain. it's our main tool for defense, shelter and nutrition. without our brains, humans are about the most helpless, ineffectual animal out there. we're small and weak for our size. we are very poorly equipped to survive in the elements. our bodies are not incredibly well adapted to any environment (save for out hands, which are also a part of are predilection to tool-making). it is our brains that have made us the dominant species and really, what have allowed us to survive for all these years. with our brains, we figured out how to use other animals pelts to keep us warm. we learned how to build shelters to help with this as well. we made tools to facilitate the building of these shelters as well as for acquiring and preparing our food sources. our brains are what make us great.

I must respectfully disagree. Our brains serve one main purpose- to run our physical bodies. What you mean to say i think, is the human EGO. And i completely agree with you, our egos are the faculty which allows us to advance, to learn, to link "animal pelt" with "warmness", etc etc. Without our egos we are like animals running only on instinct. go take 5+ hits of acid if you want to see what i mean haha

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you can't argue that the only attributes humans have at their disposal are physical. our earliest ancestors were making crude stone tools such as spear heads and knives, for hunting and preparing meat. we have always been inventors; this is what makes us effective predators and the dominant species on the planet.

This again is a result of the human ego which can link "tools" with "food" and things like that. But you have to understand that we only started eating meat en masse AFTER the invention of fire/hunting. and to argue that our digestive system/body has somehow evolved since that time period is rediculous.

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and waves, you never answered my question: have you ever taken a biology course? you natter on about science being so great and teaching us many things and eventually explaining all of the physical world, etc.

well, biology is about the most advance of the sciences in terms of having concrete answers. and bio says that humans were meant to eat meat. there's a great textbook i can recommend you that beautifully illustrates this point in very easy to understand terms; everything from jaw and tooth structure to the function of the pancreas. when i've got a minute, i'll look it up for you.

Please do. To argue that humans were meant to eat meat is like arguing t-rex's are meant to eat plants- sure its possible but thats not how they evolved.

Drunken Master · 05-07-2006, 10:53 PM

5%, are you pulling numbers outta ur ass again?^

Waves · 05-07-2006, 11:03 PM

no dude this is all information that you choose to not look at.
http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...erview1c.shtml
http://www.veg.ca/newsletr/novdec96/evolution.html
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

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Carnivorous animals, including the lion, dog, wolf, cat, etc., have many unique characteristics which set them apart from all other members of the animal kingdom. They all possess a very simple and short digestive system -- only three times the length of their bodies. This is because flesh decays very rapidly, and the products of this decay quickly poison the bloodstream if they remain too long in the body. So a short digestive tract was evolved for rapid expulsion of putrefactive bacteria from decomposing flesh, as well as stomachs with ten times as much hydrochloric acid as non-carnivorous animals (to digest fibrous tissue and bones). Meat-eating animals that hunt in the cool of the night and sleep during the day when it is hot do not need sweat glands to cool their bodies; they therefore do not perspire through their skin, but rather they sweat through their tongues. On the other hand, vegetarian animals, such as the cow, horse, zebra, deer, etc., spend much of their time in the sun gathering their food, and they freely perspire through their skin to cool their bodies. But the most significant difference between the natural meat-eaters and other animals is their teeth. Along with sharp claws, all meat-eaters, since they have to kill mainly with their teeth, possess powerful jaws and pointed, elongated, "canine" teeth to pierce tough hide and to spear and tear flesh. They do NOT have molars (flat, back teeth) which vegetarian animals need for grinding their food. Unlike grains, flesh does not need to be chewed in the mouth to predigest it; it is digested mostly in the stomach and the intestines. A cat, for example, can hardly chew at all.

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One misconception about the gorilla diet is that it contains no animal products. On the contrary, all of the great ape groups take in some animal protein, whether overtly or inadvertently, by consuming insects, insect eggs and the larvae that nest on the plants and fruits they eat. In her pioneering work on chimpanzees, Jane Goodall discovered to her amazement, and to the amazement of the rest of the world, that chimpanzees kill and eat monkeys and make a tool to extract termites from their hills (homes), and that they went to considerable effort to obtain these foods. It is also significant that meat is the only food they share with other chimpanzees.

Mull D · 05-07-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

Science has convinced you to believe a lie all in the name of profit.

you sayin thats why we're not all vegetarians?

Waves · 05-07-2006, 11:05 PM

no, we arent all vegetarians because meat tastes good and we can buy it in a burger for less than a dollar. we all choose to focus on our bodies and what makes us feel good instead of what makes us function good. would you rather eat some celery or a hot dog? a hamburger or some strawberries? i can tell you that they dont serve tomatoe juice and strawberries at baseball games. and mcdonalds has meat in every one of its value meals. its just more cultural conditioning.

Seeds&Stems · 05-08-2006, 12:09 AM

^ you pretty much handed everyone their asses in this thread. good arguments.

that being said, i'm gonna eat some jerky.

North_of_Sanity · 05-08-2006, 02:18 AM

If someone doesn't want to eat animals, good for them.

But if they say it's not natural to eat meat, they're stupid. I bet more than half of all animals/insects would die without meat to nourish them.

Waves · 05-08-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeds&Stems

^ you pretty much handed everyone their asses in this thread. good arguments.

that being said, i'm gonna eat some jerky.

i am now eating a beef sandwhich from buona beef...yum...

Waves · 05-08-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

But if they say it's not natural to eat meat, they're stupid. I bet more than half of all animals/insects would die without meat to nourish them.

Huh?

Youve heard of herbivores, carnivores and omnivores right?

kRad · 05-08-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

Science has convinced you to believe a lie all in the name of profit.

Damn thats so true on so many levels with alot of shit people believe today.

Mull D · 05-08-2006, 08:57 PM

no that's called pseudoscience
one is real and one is not

04-30-2006, 07:02 PM	#67 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,475 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,021 Times in 2,219 Posts	because you feed it cat food and chances are it doesnt have a family to bring home dinner to. but you have to understand that hunting is what cats are naturally skilled to do. they are equipped with all the faculties to carry out what it needs to do to survive and reproduce. in nature that is kill small animals. an animal doesnt comprehend these types of things. its focused on surviving. humans have evolved past surviving, we should be eating diets of mass-produced fruits and vegetables, not mass-produced meat where they breed cows for food and cause more harm than you and me could ever comprehend. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

05-07-2006, 10:53 PM	#71 (permalink)
Drunken Master drunken style Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bathroom floor Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	5%, are you pulling numbers outta ur ass again?^ __________________ sddsrsdeesrewsr

05-07-2006, 11:05 PM	#74 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,475 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,021 Times in 2,219 Posts	no, we arent all vegetarians because meat tastes good and we can buy it in a burger for less than a dollar. we all choose to focus on our bodies and what makes us feel good instead of what makes us function good. would you rather eat some celery or a hot dog? a hamburger or some strawberries? i can tell you that they dont serve tomatoe juice and strawberries at baseball games. and mcdonalds has meat in every one of its value meals. its just more cultural conditioning. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow Last edited by Waves; 05-07-2006 at 11:08 PM.

05-08-2006, 12:09 AM	#75 (permalink)
Seeds&Stems old and unimproved Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: paper st Posts: 2,981 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 102 Thanked 52 Times in 37 Posts	^ you pretty much handed everyone their asses in this thread. good arguments. that being said, i'm gonna eat some jerky. __________________ There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start...ect

05-08-2006, 02:18 AM	#76 (permalink)
North_of_Sanity Infidelous Borealis Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 5,861 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	If someone doesn't want to eat animals, good for them. But if they say it's not natural to eat meat, they're stupid. I bet more than half of all animals/insects would die without meat to nourish them. __________________ "His professional diagnosis: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My unprofessional diagnosis: Nut-Job!" - Jim Rome "I don't have a girlfriend. But I know a woman who would be upset if she heard me say that." - Mitch Hedberg "Condoms are stupid" - some dirty ho

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Mull D Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 455 Thanked 156 Times in 81 Posts	no that's called pseudoscience one is real and one is not

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