Waves

Il bet your too addicted to meat to even try eating nothing but veggies for a year

psuedoscience = common sense? because any half-wit can look at the plain facts such as: the relationship between primate and human diets, the structure of the human digestive system as compared to a carnivores digestive system, the teeth structure of a human(again i say- have you ever tried the skin of the turkey at thanksgiving? you would be crazy to think we are meant to chew that shit. but it tastest fucking good.) and the most obvious shit of all-

the fact that humans dont have claws, sharp canine teeth required to capture/eat prey, the speed to catch anything worth a meal at all without tools, and no natural hunting faculties WHATSOEVER!.

But you can keep ignoring common sense. I at least acknowledge my biggotry in eating the meat of raised-to-die animals in corporate farms fed complete shit yadda yadda. whip dee fuckin doo. present your facts or shut the hell up.

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all of this "what are humans meant to eat" stuff is just so subjective. What we are meant to eat depends on our nutritional needs and environmental factors. What food will make us more "fit", in a darwinian sense? Any vegetarian, as long as they are not vegan, can easily get all the protein, iron, zinc, and iodine he needs. However, not all vegetarians can get there vitamin D, especially if they live somewhere with little sun light. So a diet with some meat in it is needed. Additionally, vitamin b12, which is needed for lots of stuff in the body, is found in plants and meats naturally, but due to modern growing methods(i.e pesticides) is not always found in nonorganic plants.

The great thing about our bodies is how well they can cope w/ different circumstances. If one has a need to become swoll as hell to fend off predators, we can eat lots of protein. A high concentration of protein is found in meat in the wild. Thus meat eating can make us more "fit". Some areas of our planet are not hospitable for agriculture(at least for plants that we can eat) so grazing livestock and then eating livestock is beneficial. Also, meat has a very high concentration of usable energy. It takes a lot longer to eat 2000 calories of plants than it does meat, and in the wild, fulfilling our caloric needs quicker may make us more "fit".

That being said, the average middle class person generally does not need meat nowadays, and it is less healthy than the alternatives. We can digest meat, so it is "natural" to eat it, but being an omnivore isn't neccesarily an advantage humans have(nor is it neccesarily a disadvantage).

Waves

i dont know what the hell you people are thinking.

we cannot digest animal flesh. therefore we are not "naturally" meant to eat meat!

just because we can digest small amounts of animal meat does *not* make it "natural."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12
So we can get it from milk and dairy products. no meat needed.
Again, this can be found in milk. I dont think vegetarians are against milk are they? Humans can digest that just fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D
Im not saying we cant digest small amounts of meat and get away with it. But if someone eats too much throughout their life it will poison their blood and take away resources needed by their immune system for other things. this weakens the body to disease. thus a vegetarian will always be more healthy than a casual meat eater in the long run. of course its up to all of us what to eat and theres a big difference between a mcdonalds burger and a cooked burger at a nice resteraunt, and i think thats where my main problem lies. mcdonalds and the other corporate chains treat these animals like complete crap. im fine with a guy killing a deer to feed his family. but what these food chains do for profit is just murderous.

and im not talking new-age tree climbing hippy murderous. im talking "if your average person knew..." murderous.

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Mull D

relax you spazz I wasn't saying that you are spouting pseudoscience I was refering to how you said science is lying for profit. If it's science with the intention to mislead then its not science at all- it's pseudoscience. People will believe whatever they want and they can always back up their claims with something that looks to be science but is actually biased to begin with. It's up to us to recognize the bias.

Mull D

Do you think the indigenous people around the world are not very in tune with nature? Are they not a part OF nature? For that matter are WE not a part of nature? Of course we do have natural hunting faculties. Just beause they aren't claws and teeth doesn't mean we don't have natural hunting faculties... we have hunting faculties and we are natural.

snapshot

We don't have teeth and claws. If we did we could use them for different things. To eat, or kill with. But humans were given better tools with which to kill. It also happens that the same tools that humans have that allow us to kill allow us other options of survival, such as farming. The tool is the human brain. The nature with which you use it is the nature to which you give it.

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Waves

are you kidding me?

go catch me dinner without a tool and i will agree with you that humans are natural meat eaters.

hint: you'll need a tool. we developed tools after we developed our digestive system. our digestive system is designed to digest fruits and nuts and vegetables that our ancestors got from plants in the forest.

you cant argue that because we are capable of eating meat with tools and fire we have evolved eating meat. thats a sophomoric argument.

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Mull D

we can use tools

Waves

go out in the forest and try to hunt without tools. try it. its an exercise in frustration.

our digestive system was already evolved when we were monkeys. monkeys cant use tools.

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Mull D

why? what's the point? we don't need to do that

also how can you say our digestive system stopped evolving? What's stopping it?

snapshot

we can abstract. we can do a lot of things. but many of these things we use to describe ourselves are abstractions of what we're really talking about. animal is just an abstraction for human. since human is more specific we ask the differences between human and non-human life.

but there are many similarities still between human and non-human life. that we are all elctrochemical-neuro dynamic organic compounds of cells, as well as dance of protons and electrons, and the seemingly chaotic underworld that is "quantum".

So what if we can use tools? You have to make the case that it is in our best interest what those tools are used for today, instead of what they were used for back then.

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Waves

what?

it would take hundreds perhaps thousands, perhaps millions of freak genetic mutations to create a human capable of digesting meat. it would take many hundreds of thousands of years for even one human to be able to digest meat properly let alone the whole human animal which is now spread all over the globe. evolution isnt something that happens in a few thousand years and it certainly doesnt happen because a bunch of stupid monkeys want to eat other animals. thats like saying

"well lets give aids a few more hundred thousand years, maybe we will just evolve past it..."

you dont evolve past something that hurts your body. you either eat too much of it and die or you eat a natural diet and live. its pretty black and white. you either catch AIDS and die or you dont.

meat = $$$$

and even if we as humans had the choice to evolve the necessary digestive system...why the hell would we do that? we can survive fine off of other things, eating meat is unnecessary murder of a living thing. only a greedy idiot would choose to breed animals for the purpose of killing them and eating them when he could just as easily eat plants and be healthier 9/10 times.

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Mull D

No not to refute the statement that we don't have hunting faculties I don't. In fact I'm not even trying to say eating meat isn't bad for us and the planet. There was a time meat suited us very well and to say humans are incapable of digesting it is well... you know... Of course we can digest meat seeing as how do.

snapshot

my idea was that we are better suited to fruits, vegetables and grains. digesting meat takes its toll on the body and there are those who are lactose intolerant. when I eat a salad that gives me a lot of good stuff I feel a lot better. when I eat a 16oz porterhouse that is supposed to "put hair on my chest" I feel like shit afterward. give me a salad to unbuckle my pants and I'll still run a mile afterward. i think that sort of survival came in necessary for the vast majority of early homo erectus or wherever were from.

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Mull D

I agree

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Mull D

and for all of the corn we grow just to feed farm animals we could be feeding people. with growing poplulations market forces will eventually force everyone but the rich to become vegetarians

Waves

so only the rich will be fatasses as opposed to the whole population being fatasses?

sounds good to me. we wont be eating meat much longer as a species anyway.

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Evolution willing.

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Waves

evolution wills

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