The Meaning Of Life - Page 11

JcPizwink · 05-27-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cocomota

Thats nice. The start to what though? The start to just accepting that everything is infinity, except god? except? God IS infinity. And we are part of that infinite possibilities. That everything that is everything was created, except god?

I guess i just have a difficult time grasping the concept of faith, because that seems to be the only way for anybody to be able to rationalize the idea of god. This is a misnomer, imho. What it does take is a paradigm shift with how you relate to the world. Everything in this universe exists. How absolutely weird and amazing and beautiful is that concept? To me, it takes more faith to ignore the fact of God than it does to recognize it. By saying its right. All you have to do is just think so for it to be so? Does this mean that the true meaning of life is Faith? I wouldn't be bold enough to tell you the meaning of life because I'd be kidding myself if I truly knew. But what I can say is that the little voice in your head? You know the one that goes "don't do that" and "do that"? Seems to me it knows a lot more than "I" do sometimes...

To me i don't see a difference in believing god, and not believing in god. Either way your decision is based only on what you choose to believe, or have been told to believe. Although you're right in a WAY, living a life with a relationship with a concept of God (for me its infinity and possibilities for creation) is VERY different than one without ever conceptualizing that. In the end all you really can do is wait for your final moment to see who was right .... if even anybody is. That's not true at all!!!! You'll never know the answer but that doesn't mean you shouldn't/can't live a life that you think is condusive to God.

I guess it comes down to what you think happens to you after you die.
1. Accept the possibility that out of all of our lifes great accomplishments we become nothing more that worm food. Nothing in the material universe (that we are part of) can ever be destroyed or created, merely changed. Energy, matter, it all works the same. Think INFINITY now okay? never ending possibilities...by DEFINITION, what you consider "you" will be back. Otherwise it's not infinity, it's limited. Of course, it might be in 3 quadrizillion years, but still...remember, time is a construct of humanity. At least what we consider "long" and "short" 2. End up in heaven, and play mario kart with god for eternity while jesus brings an unlimited supply of rice crispy treats and tang, Biggest misconception ever, imho. CAN YOU IMAGINE eternity in the same place? That's HELL. Heaven, it would seem, would be to live life again and again in endless variations. or 3.(insert other beliefs here, because it really doesn't matter as long as you believe in it.) :

bongsmilie

Indeed

Good post bro. Me likey.

cocomota · 05-28-2006, 05:50 PM

except? God IS infinity. And we are part of that infinite possibilities. The only thing that makes this true is the fact that you believe this is true. If you have faith that this is the way it is, then there is no need to consider any other possibilities. Or is any other possibility also "god". Infinite possibilities to me just sounds like another to say randomness.

This is a misnomer, imho. What it does take is a paradigm shift with how you relate to the world. Everything in this universe exists. How absolutely weird and amazing and beautiful is that concept? To me, it takes more faith to ignore the fact of God than it does to recognize it. Yes it is the most absolutly weird, amazing, beautiful concept, but saying it is all because of god seems like an easy way of explaining what you can't. It leaves no room for other reasons that things are. Does it really make sense to compare the amount of faith it takes to believe in something? None of it is even based on any measurable evidence in the first place. I guess for me, right now, I do not believe in god because its hard for me to learn about something when all of the answers are left as "GOD" without closing all doors to other potential answers.

I wouldn't be bold enough to tell you the meaning of life because I'd be kidding myself if I truly knew. But what I can say is that the little voice in your head? You know the one that goes "don't do that" and "do that"? Seems to me it knows a lot more than "I" do sometimes... Maybe that voice is your un-bias opinion of right and wrong. Your first reaction before it goes through an ingrained filter created by society, and what you "think" they will except from you.

That's not true at all!!!! You'll never know the answer but that doesn't mean you shouldn't/can't live a life that you think is condusive to God. You won't know even if you see heaven or hell? "What you think is condusive to god"? How would one even know where to begin to know? Even if you thought you knew, it would still only be a guess. What is to point in devoting you life to doing only what YOU think is right in someone ELSE'S eyes? Would it still be considered good to live a life that you thought was condusive to god, even if it turned out to be the exact opposit of of what god actually wanted? Or is it the thought that counts? This is the point where i just get confused about how people work because I really try to see where they are coming from but it just doesn't work sometimes. But I keep trying.

Nothing in the material universe (that we are part of) can ever be destroyed or created, merely changed. Energy, matter, it all works the same. Think INFINITY now okay? never ending possibilities...by DEFINITION, what you consider "you" will be back. Otherwise it's not infinity, it's limited. Of course, it might be in 3 quadrizillion years, but still...remember, time is a construct of humanity. At least what we consider "long" and "short" How come the matter from your body can't be changed into worm food, and provide energy for that worm? So we are god's greatest creation, right? Didn't you just say that nothing in the material universe (that we are a part of) can be created or destroyed? How does this work?

Biggest misconception ever, imho. CAN YOU IMAGINE eternity in the same place? That's HELL. Heaven, it would seem, would be to live life again and again in endless variations. Biggest misconception ever? yet you say "Heaven, it would seem, would be to live life again and again in endless variations". How do you know what heaven and Hell consist of for sure? I was just being sarcastic and meerly suggesting the idea of what it is to be in heaven. Since we are here though, what if someones idea of Hell would be to live over and over again for eternity? Or visa versa having someones idea of Heaven being in one perfect place?

Interesting to reply to

P.S. I quit smoking yesterday, just to let everyone know because you know you all care.

Ego Tripping · 05-28-2006, 07:39 PM

^ you'll be toking in 3 days!

JcPizwink · 05-28-2006, 10:12 PM

Cocomota, either I'm not posting clearly or you're not following.

I'm not talking about the God you're talking about. I'm applying the name God to something else.

Randomness is another concept that would work....

God is INCLUSIVE not EXCLUSIVE. God doesn't end potential answers, it allows them to be potential answers...

Your reply section on heaven showcases what I think is going on: you have VERY PRECISE definitions of religious concepts so when I use a term like "heaven" you think Christian heaven and not the metaphorical euphoria of what heaven represents. I think the same thing is happening with 'God.'

Lastly, re-read my circle of life section and then see if your answer still makes sense. You missed a big step there in the "nothing can be created or destroyed, merely changed" methinks

cocomota · 05-29-2006, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JcPizwink

Cocomota, either I'm not posting clearly or you're not following.

I'm not talking about the God you're talking about. I'm applying the name God to something else.

Randomness is another concept that would work....

God is INCLUSIVE not EXCLUSIVE. God doesn't end potential answers, it allows them to be potential answers...

Your reply section on heaven showcases what I think is going on: you have VERY PRECISE definitions of religious concepts so when I use a term like "heaven" you think Christian heaven and not the metaphorical euphoria of what heaven represents. I think the same thing is happening with 'God.'

Lastly, re-read my circle of life section and then see if your answer still makes sense. You missed a big step there in the "nothing can be created or destroyed, merely changed" methinks

First off no i didn't follow. I replied to your post in that other thread and i think that when look at they way you described god as the foce that IS infinity not the one who CREATED it i would agree with you. So my bad for making you waste your time on writing this one

And i give myself four days

snapshot · 05-29-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JcPizwink

Cocomota, either I'm not posting clearly or you're not following.

I'm not talking about the God you're talking about. I'm applying the name God to something else.

Randomness is another concept that would work....

God is INCLUSIVE not EXCLUSIVE. God doesn't end potential answers, it allows them to be potential answers...

Your reply section on heaven showcases what I think is going on: you have VERY PRECISE definitions of religious concepts so when I use a term like "heaven" you think Christian heaven and not the metaphorical euphoria of what heaven represents. I think the same thing is happening with 'God.'

Lastly, re-read my circle of life section and then see if your answer still makes sense. You missed a big step there in the "nothing can be created or destroyed, merely changed" methinks

Maybe you should use a less loaded word than "God" unless you think "God" might be offended by that.

bongsmilie

JcPizwink · 05-29-2006, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snapshot

Maybe you should use a less loaded word than "God" unless you think "God" might be offended by that.

bongsmilie

yea, I agree. Unfortunate the term is so loaded

Ego Tripping · 05-29-2006, 12:25 PM

Perhaps "God" is the culmination of a collective amount of Conciousnesses. Then God would be our Destination, not our Origin.

Also, this link was interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_Debris

cocomota · 05-29-2006, 04:48 PM

Yeah i think i was taking the term God as a loaded generalized idea, but i think i see it in the broader view now thanks.

**SageTree** · 05-14-2009, 07:50 AM

bump lost threads

kamikazi89 · 05-14-2009, 10:20 AM

way too many to mention, the list only grows..personally i've narrowed it down to a few

Mclennison · 05-14-2009, 10:51 PM

Romance

...to become heaven
...to be heaven forever
...romantically

Promise!

what awaits in the next realm is assuredly very celestial and of empathy and compassion and love and Harmony

Our realm is persuaded to live lovely and en enchantment, will we let this love bestowed upon our hearts fecundate and birthe new and harmonious life for heavenly vibes to return to all the spirits(even people) we love?
Children still dream and so does John Lennon's essence~he believed there are many dreamers

on with the symphony, as the oeneric life awaits!

Mclennison · 05-14-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Perhaps "God" is the culmination of a collective amount of Conciousnesses. Then God would be our Destination, not our Origin.

Also, this link was interesting.

God's Debris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heaven is our Fortune, bothe destiny and origin!

kamikazi89 · 05-15-2009, 06:53 AM

there's no better time then the present...

zerodown · 05-15-2009, 07:24 AM

The only reason why this question always creates such debates is because there is NO MEANING OF LIFE, we like to speculate about it with our limited knowledge of the world and we like to create a beautiful meaning of life so we can feel warm and cozy inside, but seriously, there is NO MEANING OF LIFE, there is, however, a PURPOSE OF LIFE, and that one is without doubt, TO REPRODUCE FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIE.

As soon as we accept it, we can move forward and have a better life for everyone, but trying to find something that doesn't even exist(like god also) only creates debate and conflict(war)...

So just do what Marley used to say "don't worry, about a thing, cause every little thing is gonna be alright"

kamikazi89 · 05-15-2009, 07:38 AM

honestly, it's not all that debatable

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77907195969915

cantSEEme · 06-02-2009, 02:39 AM

damn, going through this thread and finding posts from me 3 years ago makes me realize how much my thought patterns on life and the meaning of it has really evolved. age makes you wiser (to a degree) i guess. there are many meanings to life im coming to find out as the years progress. survival is just one of millions of "meanings" to this. i think life itself is the meaning. its organic compounds forming complex cellular structures that have emotions, feelings, thoughts, memories, and purpose (hopefully)). as humans who have developed a brain big enough to realize this, we are lucky in that aspect. i dont really knoe what im talking about here, or if it even has any bearing on this subject, just that i know i dont belive what i once belived before. thats it, im over-tired and over-high. time for sleep.

oh, and nice bump sage. also, jcp, were you jcppizwink?

**SageTree** · 06-02-2009, 07:26 AM

Muy Bien Senior, glad you like it.

I do enjoy looking back and see how we've all changed here over time.

Now to share a quote

"The ultimate source of peace in the family, the country, and the world is altruism." - His Holiness the Dalai Lama, from The Meaning of Life

05-28-2006, 05:50 PM	#202 (permalink)
cocomota cocomota Join Date: May 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	except? God IS infinity. And we are part of that infinite possibilities. The only thing that makes this true is the fact that you believe this is true. If you have faith that this is the way it is, then there is no need to consider any other possibilities. Or is any other possibility also "god". Infinite possibilities to me just sounds like another to say randomness. This is a misnomer, imho. What it does take is a paradigm shift with how you relate to the world. Everything in this universe exists. How absolutely weird and amazing and beautiful is that concept? To me, it takes more faith to ignore the fact of God than it does to recognize it. Yes it is the most absolutly weird, amazing, beautiful concept, but saying it is all because of god seems like an easy way of explaining what you can't. It leaves no room for other reasons that things are. Does it really make sense to compare the amount of faith it takes to believe in something? None of it is even based on any measurable evidence in the first place. I guess for me, right now, I do not believe in god because its hard for me to learn about something when all of the answers are left as "GOD" without closing all doors to other potential answers. I wouldn't be bold enough to tell you the meaning of life because I'd be kidding myself if I truly knew. But what I can say is that the little voice in your head? You know the one that goes "don't do that" and "do that"? Seems to me it knows a lot more than "I" do sometimes... Maybe that voice is your un-bias opinion of right and wrong. Your first reaction before it goes through an ingrained filter created by society, and what you "think" they will except from you. That's not true at all!!!! You'll never know the answer but that doesn't mean you shouldn't/can't live a life that you think is condusive to God. You won't know even if you see heaven or hell? "What you think is condusive to god"? How would one even know where to begin to know? Even if you thought you knew, it would still only be a guess. What is to point in devoting you life to doing only what YOU think is right in someone ELSE'S eyes? Would it still be considered good to live a life that you thought was condusive to god, even if it turned out to be the exact opposit of of what god actually wanted? Or is it the thought that counts? This is the point where i just get confused about how people work because I really try to see where they are coming from but it just doesn't work sometimes. But I keep trying. Nothing in the material universe (that we are part of) can ever be destroyed or created, merely changed. Energy, matter, it all works the same. Think INFINITY now okay? never ending possibilities...by DEFINITION, what you consider "you" will be back. Otherwise it's not infinity, it's limited. Of course, it might be in 3 quadrizillion years, but still...remember, time is a construct of humanity. At least what we consider "long" and "short" How come the matter from your body can't be changed into worm food, and provide energy for that worm? So we are god's greatest creation, right? Didn't you just say that nothing in the material universe (that we are a part of) can be created or destroyed? How does this work? Biggest misconception ever, imho. CAN YOU IMAGINE eternity in the same place? That's HELL. Heaven, it would seem, would be to live life again and again in endless variations. Biggest misconception ever? yet you say "Heaven, it would seem, would be to live life again and again in endless variations". How do you know what heaven and Hell consist of for sure? I was just being sarcastic and meerly suggesting the idea of what it is to be in heaven. Since we are here though, what if someones idea of Hell would be to live over and over again for eternity? Or visa versa having someones idea of Heaven being in one perfect place? Interesting to reply to P.S. I quit smoking yesterday, just to let everyone know because you know you all care. Last edited by cocomota; 05-28-2006 at 06:25 PM.

05-28-2006, 07:39 PM	#203 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	^ you'll be toking in 3 days! __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

05-29-2006, 12:25 PM	#208 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Perhaps "God" is the culmination of a collective amount of Conciousnesses. Then God would be our Destination, not our Origin. Also, this link was interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_Debris __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

05-14-2009, 07:50 AM	#210 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,486 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	bump lost threads __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

06-02-2009, 02:39 AM	#217 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	damn, going through this thread and finding posts from me 3 years ago makes me realize how much my thought patterns on life and the meaning of it has really evolved. age makes you wiser (to a degree) i guess. there are many meanings to life im coming to find out as the years progress. survival is just one of millions of "meanings" to this. i think life itself is the meaning. its organic compounds forming complex cellular structures that have emotions, feelings, thoughts, memories, and purpose (hopefully)). as humans who have developed a brain big enough to realize this, we are lucky in that aspect. i dont really knoe what im talking about here, or if it even has any bearing on this subject, just that i know i dont belive what i once belived before. thats it, im over-tired and over-high. time for sleep. oh, and nice bump sage. also, jcp, were you jcppizwink? __________________

05-28-2006, 10:12 PM	#204 (permalink)
JcPizwink YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 418 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cocomota, either I'm not posting clearly or you're not following. I'm not talking about the God you're talking about. I'm applying the name God to something else. Randomness is another concept that would work.... God is INCLUSIVE not EXCLUSIVE. God doesn't end potential answers, it allows them to be potential answers... Your reply section on heaven showcases what I think is going on: you have VERY PRECISE definitions of religious concepts so when I use a term like "heaven" you think Christian heaven and not the metaphorical euphoria of what heaven represents. I think the same thing is happening with 'God.' Lastly, re-read my circle of life section and then see if your answer still makes sense. You missed a big step there in the "nothing can be created or destroyed, merely changed" methinks

05-29-2006, 04:48 PM	#209 (permalink)
cocomota cocomota Join Date: May 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah i think i was taking the term God as a loaded generalized idea, but i think i see it in the broader view now thanks.

05-14-2009, 10:51 PM	#212 (permalink)
Mclennison i love twi'lek girls Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rhone Alps France Posts: 500 Thanks: 30 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts	Romance ...to become heaven ...to be heaven forever ...romantically Promise! what awaits in the next realm is assuredly very celestial and of empathy and compassion and love and Harmony Our realm is persuaded to live lovely and en enchantment, will we let this love bestowed upon our hearts fecundate and birthe new and harmonious life for heavenly vibes to return to all the spirits(even people) we love? Children still dream and so does John Lennon's essence~he believed there are many dreamers on with the symphony, as the oeneric life awaits!

05-15-2009, 07:24 AM	#215 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 784 Thanks: 38 Thanked 168 Times in 131 Posts	The only reason why this question always creates such debates is because there is NO MEANING OF LIFE, we like to speculate about it with our limited knowledge of the world and we like to create a beautiful meaning of life so we can feel warm and cozy inside, but seriously, there is NO MEANING OF LIFE, there is, however, a PURPOSE OF LIFE, and that one is without doubt, TO REPRODUCE FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIE. As soon as we accept it, we can move forward and have a better life for everyone, but trying to find something that doesn't even exist(like god also) only creates debate and conflict(war)... So just do what Marley used to say "don't worry, about a thing, cause every little thing is gonna be alright"

06-02-2009, 07:26 AM	#218 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,486 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	Muy Bien Senior, glad you like it. I do enjoy looking back and see how we've all changed here over time. Now to share a quote "The ultimate source of peace in the family, the country, and the world is altruism." - His Holiness the Dalai Lama, from The Meaning of Life __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

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