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Old 05-15-2006, 10:04 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:06 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This is such a half baked theory.

Why do we have the unyeilding urge to survive if we have no purpose? Either finish your thought chain, or stop putting other people's theories down.

Belief in "meaning of life" spans across every continent, not just the "ridiculous" Americans.
Honouslty thank you. These people think that because I believe in Sylvia Browne that I havent heard any other religion's tales and views. Sylvia Browne has studied religions throughout the world moreso than you've proably spoken words. I've read up extensively on religions and beliefs so dont say im being narrowminded without even knowing anything.

And i'm not saying i'm at complete peace with myself. I wish i could be. The reason I get so frustrated is because I believe in this deeply and to see people so ignorantly be like "fuck that i havent read a line of it but i know its not true because some bitch woman aint the fucking messaih"
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You are sure hell bent on being 'right.' Zealots like you scare me. You're no better than the guy at my front door asking me if I've been Saved by Jesus.

Indeed. I'd just like to point out I'm not defending the O.P., merely the "spirit" of what the O.P. is saying. I personally believe Sylvia Brown is well intentioned but off her rocker.
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That's fine. Therefore life's purpose is to find purpose. I can jive with that. It's this nihilism of "life is just to survive" that strikes me as half-baked.
If their meaning is to Survive, then more power to them. But of course, I'm sure they have a House, Toilet, Food, Drugs, Entertainment and a PC which are things that all go far beyond Survival. So anybody saying life is pure Survival better be telling me that from street corner with a carboard sign.
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And i'm not saying i'm at complete peace with myself. I wish i could be. The reason I get so frustrated is because I believe in this deeply and to see people so ignorantly be like "fuck that i havent read a line of it but i know its not true because some bitch woman aint the fucking messaih"
How are YOU any less ignorant than any other Human on the planet?
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If their meaning is to Survive, then more power to them. But of course, I'm sure they have a House, Toilet, Food, Drugs, Entertainment and a PC which are things that all go far beyond Survival. So anybody saying life is pure Survival better be telling me that from street corner with a carboard sign.
that's an interesting way of looking at it. I was going more along the lines of "if life's meaning is simply survival, then what is survival's purpose?"

Eventually you have to get out of the "self" and into the "larger picture"

What is the meaning of life? To survive
"" of survival? To grow
"" growing? To learn
"" to learn? Now THAT's the million dollar question.
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Old 05-15-2006, 10:16 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I agree. Most people that don't seek to find a 'purpose in life' are too busy asking How to live instead of Why are we living to begin with? You need tackle both questions to lead a happy and fruitful life. If theres nothing after myself once Physical Brain dies then that only makes me more motivated to enjoy every second and do the best I can with this life. But too many things have happened to my by this point for me to deny that my life has Purpose that goes beyond Earth...and for me to disbelieve that requires as much Faith as believing it.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:36 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The problem that most of ya'll have is not what you believe, but THAT you believe. C'mon, is it really so hard to understand that there is no meaning of life because life is the meaning of life?
A wonderful Zen story I know of relates to this. I can't remember it in full right now, but it speaks of the idea of looking at a glass filled to the halfway mark with water. A pessimist says that it's half-empty, an optimist says half-full. A truly enlightened individual reaches over, picks the glass up, drinks it, and enjoys the thirst quenchyness of the water. Life is not for speculation, it is for life.
And, dude, all you science freaks out there, you should realize that science is just as much of a religion as catholocism, or buddhism, or anything else. Its based on your own faith in its own truth, and its crap to preach that it is any truer than another religion. You cannot prove anything that science claims, just as you cannot prove that God exists, just as you cannot prove that you exist.

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Old 05-15-2006, 06:45 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Whatever he just said was good enough for me to go sit down and think for a while.

I'm planning on buying a boat and sailing to Japan in a couple of years to see if i can find zen. Other then that, i'm pretty much back to reality. In essence you have to think of survival as only being a word. A thing asociated to something. I cannot convey what I ment in words but, if i must, I pick the best one. Survival as how I see it is.

Today you woke and you knew you were going to be going to sleep at the end of it. You know this because it's what you want to know.What you think you know. Life. Not death. It's when you see you are surviving that you become truely enlightined and begin to take shape of the world in a totally different manner. Your manner.

"It's what you make"
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When I'm extremely baked off blunts, it trips me out wondering about where everything came from.

Whoever invented us obviously has no way of contacting us, and/or no desire to. That's the creepiest part.


Religious people think you meet God after death, but that just seems ridiculous to me. What sense would life make, if you had to die to meet your creator and eternal fate?

If that make any sense, why would life exist in the first place?
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:54 PM   #32 (permalink)
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^ Exactly. It's truly about the journey if we're all going to the same general "place" after this life.
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watch hitchhiker's guide to the universe.

then the answer will be clear, it's 42.

i've done alot of thinking about it, and im positive, the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42.

everything+life+univ erse= 42.

prove me wrong.
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the goal of alchemy is to turn lead into gold. to take a substance and combine it with another substance that makes it more than it's origenal worth. in this sense, you really need to start making bronze statues of your pharmacist or local chemist, for they have made gods own medicine, morphine, and in contrast, a shiney rock doesnt seem to compete.
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Old 05-16-2006, 01:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Survival is for monkeys.

Some humans think they're being made to survive but they're wrong.

Evolution is evolution. Marijuana makes it happen.

ergo...We have changed the reasoning for existence to lust for life and reveling in our ability to think and fulfill our wishs.

Life if good.
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:00 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I replied in BOLD to each point.

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The problem that most of ya'll have is not what you believe, but THAT you believe. C'mon, is it really so hard to understand that there is no meaning of life because life is the meaning of life? So there is a meaning to life. And life, therefore is Godly because it's the driving force of existance. That's fine, but finish your thought chain
A wonderful Zen story I know of relates to this. I can't remember it in full right now, but it speaks of the idea of looking at a glass filled to the halfway mark with water. A pessimist says that it's half-empty, an optimist says half-full. A truly enlightened individual reaches over, picks the glass up, drinks it, and enjoys the thirst quenchyness of the water. Life is not for speculation, it is for life. If you don't stop and look, you won't know there's water there in the first place. Moreover, using this analogy is totally silly because it's about perception and attitude not the search for the meaning of life. If I showed you a glass and asked you if it's half full or half empty you'd have an opinion. So this doesn't work. But I see what you were trying to imply.
And, dude, all you science freaks out there, you should realize that science is just as much of a religion as catholocism, or buddhism, or anything else. I dunno about that. Science can produce qualitative and quantitative results in this plane, whereas religion is based in the "unseen." Personally I think religion can provide answers in this plane too, but they are different. The similarity is that we put stock in what we see and feel in this life as fact. When in reality we have no way of knowing if what we see is the truth. Its based on your own faith in its own truth, and its crap to preach that it is any truer than another religion. True, but again, providing visual results in this plane is quite different than "faith." If you make that leap than everything is faith which defeats the purpose of using faith as a distinguishing term, you know? You cannot prove anything that science claims, just as you cannot prove that God exists, just as you cannot prove that you exist. I can prove I exist. I exist. I might not exist in the way I think I do, but I exist because I am.

The Goddess prevails. MindFuck the Greyfaces, smoke a bowl, and smile, because this perfectly imperfect world smiles upon you in righteous fury, and we are all just FNORD.
I appreciate your belief system, but you're a contradiction. In one breath you claim life is just to live, then in the next you prescribe yourself to a very specific movement based on discord.

So, your life is not merely to live, it's to disrupt and to live according to the principles of your "Goddess." So you do have a faith, it's merely a placeholder faith in the absence of any other faith that makes sense to you. And that's totally cool and more power to you. But you do have a faith...a faith that life is simply "to live."

Lastly, if life is simply "to live" then why is the human species focused on looking up and out? It has been since the metaphorical Eve in the Garden of Eden, and it continues to this day with me posting this.

You've backed yourself up into a self-fulfilling circular logic. What is the purpose of life? To live. Why live? To experience life. This is THE SAME TYPE of logic that people use with the Bible. What is the Bible? The word of God. How do you know? The Bible says it is.

This is a long post, but hopefully it made sense. To go back to your metaphor, you're not "drinking" the glass of water, you're telling the pessimist and the optimist that it's not half full OR half empty but for drinking. Which is the same emotional motivation of asking whether it's full or not in the first place.
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Survival is for monkeys.

Some humans think they're being made to survive but they're wrong.

Evolution is evolution. Marijuana makes it happen.

ergo...We have changed the reasoning for existence to lust for life and reveling in our ability to think and fulfill our wishs.

Life if good.
sometimes the most impact you make on this rock comes from death... like martyrs for example.

it's rather obvious survival isnt the reason we are here... it's more like a chain of events that you are included on, whether you push the ball to get it rolling, or are the one to stand in it's way to stop it.

it's all relative.

like lines crossing into other lines to form a net of councious thoughts.

while albert hoffman isnt around anymore, there still is LSD that he invented floating around, radically changing people's minds and opening them up to new worlds even to the next generation of people he will never know.

without albert hoffman, there would be no LSD, however thanks to the fact he existed, it exists, and well he didnt survive, he died, however his "problem child" lives on and can never be destroyed because it's already in our councious.

pretty radical stuff to think about if you have a nice bong in your hand.
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the goal of alchemy is to turn lead into gold. to take a substance and combine it with another substance that makes it more than it's origenal worth. in this sense, you really need to start making bronze statues of your pharmacist or local chemist, for they have made gods own medicine, morphine, and in contrast, a shiney rock doesnt seem to compete.
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See, heres the thing. I use circular logic? I know it. Know why? Cuz logic is bullshit. Logic is the tool of a faith.

I am, (and I say this proudly,) a hypocrite, and I enjoy paradox, because I realize that everything is a paradox. Everyones a hypocrite. I admit and take pride in it.
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I haven't read through any of these responses. However, I know the meaning of MY life. But it's just something I *know*...my meaning is mine...the meaning of your life is YOURS.
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See, heres the thing. I use circular logic? I know it. Know why? Cuz logic is bullshit. Logic is the tool of a faith.

I am, (and I say this proudly,) a hypocrite, and I enjoy paradox, because I realize that everything is a paradox. Everyones a hypocrite. I admit and take pride in it.
No objection with that. It is indeed a paradox to me that people can live life and not realize they are part of something bigger. But if there weren't people who felt that way, life would be a lot more boring.

Everything has a purpose...even hypocritical posts about paradoxes. thanks for the reparte.
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yet no one has given anything even close to a logical explanation as to what the meaning of life is besides me...

no arguments intended just read the thread and read my first post and you will see that the only person even close to giving a reasonable explanation as to why we are here is me.
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