Ego Tripping

lol.....I use it lightly although I can see how its not taken that way. my apologies.

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Netochka

apology accepted! however, you're looking at this from too much of a scientific point of view - try and think more philosophically at the same time.

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Ego Tripping

LOL...I think this is the first time I've ever been told this.

Trust me, if we got to talking long enough, you'd see that my belief system is comprised of both equally. I believe that Science is 100% correct but 50% of the Answer and same with Philosophy. Theres How (Science) and Why (philosophy). Both are required to get any substantial answer that I am happy with.

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Stairway

I think the problem we are facing here today is a problem in ideoligies. Strip everything you know about life away, I meen everything. Every religous belief every outer worldly belief away Just throw it to the wind. Now we can all agree on that we die. Do not add in any of your but I will go to heaven, I will be in someplace else. Yes you may, but before this happens you will die.Now ok, That's good I know one thing. I know that from now until then, something has to happen. It's what you make that turns into who you are. Now who are you? you may ask.

Strip your body away. You have your brain. Now strip the working of your brain away and you have your consciense, Strip that away and your fucked. Don't let everything get in your way of your goals, from now on. There is no right and wrong, if you did not know about hell or did not know about consiquences would you not kill,rape,pillage?

Just live life,but if you find something out I don't know, tell me before you kill yourself.

And to waves, cannot food be the meanings to live. The worlds way to make us survive and play out a goal? food is the replinisher of life. You do not have to eat it tho,so fundamentaly we are left again with. death.

JcPizwink

No.

Case in point: 5 years old at the drug store. Mommy wouldn't buy me these redcurrant candy things I loved. I put it in my pocket and we left (shoplifted).

We got to the car, I knew that what I did was hurting someone else (IE taking something without giving them money), told my mom I would be right back, went back in and put it back.

No religion, no fear of reprocussions, just the understanding that taking something from someone else without some sort of equalizer is wrong. Why? because I wouldn't want someone taking something from me.

Netochka

Ego - ok i'l take your word for it! I'm not trying to say that it's likely people will stop dying or could live longer, i believe that humanity will go on as it has done for years, but i can't discount that there's always a chance (however miniscule) that something unexpected could happen. Forget the whole death thing - would you argue that there are some things that have absolutely no chance of changing?

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JcPizwink

not to be pretentious, but Change will never change.

Stairway

JCP you forgot that you still new repocustions. You were already tainted by the world by that time. You were still taught right or wrong, wrong from left. i'm talking about a world in the cave men periods man.

Ego Tripping

The only constant is Change.

At least in this Phsysical existance. If we want to get spiritual/philosophical, I believe only in the Next (before) life can we experience a state of Peace and Idleness.

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JcPizwink

Stairway, you're using a paradigm that is animalistic not human. I mean I hear what you're saying, but I don't see how that's relevant when humans can't get that "clear." Even cavemen knew reprocussions. Stick a spear into a dino = it dies so you can eat it. Have sex with the woman = make babies to help you hunt.

Don't hurt other cavemen, they won't hurt you.

Are you talking about a state of consciousness that is devoid of knowledge, social mores, or both? Gotta be honest, I'm not quite following you.

Stairway

All im saying is. How do you know what is right and wrong? just because what you've been told. By stealing that candy you may have been doing good by bringing down capitilism,

Ego Tripping

Thats it, I'm declaring War on Candy.

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Stairway

haha. Cadyism

Waves

We would never put ourselves into a position where another being has control over us. You are always in control of your reality. If you were going to enter a place like earth would you really give up your freedom? Would you want some of these whackjobs on this planet to have the ability to do whatever they want to you? of course not. I know for SURE that i wouldnt. But on the other hand, if we knew that we all created our own reality at this point, we would not be engaging in some of the more "negative" constructs that we NEED to learn. These negative constructs will be gone in a matter of time as people learn their lessons and move on. I myself have no use for these constructs so much of my personal reality is "pleasent." But other people might not understand things in the way I do and it might lead to conflict, which is NOT a negative thing.

We have incorporated the concepts of "self" and "others" to learn, expand, and be. its just another facet of our existence, that you have the option of talking to (seemingly) "other" people. It all has to do with the lessons you want to learn and the objective situations you offer yourself. One person might want to learn lessons focused more on self so they seem to others a "loner" or "anti-social." but this is all just belief system interaction and there is no such thing as loners or anti-social people. Just people who choose to either express their energy to self or others.

im not saying that you should focus on yourself your entire life. Im saying that everything you experience is a creation of YOU. There is no co-creation, no forced circumstances, nothing happens "to you." Everything happens for you. And in turn you set up more probablities to make sure more things happen "to you" even though they are only happening for you to set up even more probabilities to experience even more of our physical reality! that is how we move forward and create and experience! And once you start understanding how it all works and seeing it in action and then actually putting this information to work in creating a great reality you feel really really good

This is whats set to happen to not just waves, anonymous internet guy, but EVERYONE across the globe. we are going to see some really cool things happen soon. (coincedentally, or not so coincidentally, the mayans date for the "big change" is 2012)

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Waves

That is your belief system that you have created. Other people have incorporated these concepts to create entirely different realities. The theme of this new millenium is acceptence. Acceptence of belief and difference, acceptence of self and acceptence of others. I accept your beliefs and acknowledge their reality, but do you accept others?
Oh im quite knowing of that fact. But the reality of our situation is we are ONE person right now so we can only account for the choices and beliefs of ONE being, and that is YOU. The "shared experience" will come later after physical life when you view all of your seperate experiences (not as one person but as many) as one concept. But while we are here we can only control ourselves. So to focus on trying to control anything else is counter-productive. so we need to engage in the construct of "acceptence." Accept your limitations and build on your potential. Death is one of those limitations, as is the construct of eating food. we all have to go through these things. so instead of using them to guide your life, instead accept them and in doing so YOU will be guiding your life and not the concept of "death."

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Waves

Im not saying eating isnt a choice, im saying it isnt a choice to not eat and not die. if you dont eat you die. that falls under ego's definition of "truth." and im trying to express that "truth" is a subjective concept unique to everyone because we all apply different ideas of "truth" to different situations. in this case, ego has said that in this life there is only one "truth" and that is death.

Or how about the truthiness of having thought? every human experiences thought or thinking in some way or another, is that a truth?
im saying, is it not also a truth, that if you do not eat you will die?

So why live your life guided by one truth, which would be death, and ignore other truths, like not eating food and dying? or the truth that we all have physical bodies with which to manipulate our physical environments? are these not as "truthful" as the fact that we will die someday?

Im just contending that in actuality there is no such thing as "truth." in that case we all create our own version of "truth" and we all have to accept each others version of "truth."

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Ego Tripping

*hands award for most Redundant Obvious Post*

You should read this book though seriously. Maybe it will break your endless rants of how its all 'belief construct', none of its real, everything is illusion, etc.. and maybe get you working on putting to work to practicing what you preach. I just got it, its bad ass.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158...Fencoding=UTF8

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Ego Tripping

No dipshit, please don't put words in my mouth. I said "you die" and thats it, the method of how you arrive there is irrelevant. Thats Truth and its the only Truth that we all agree on and is equal for everyone. Don't try to read between two lines that don't exist.

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Waves

whats with the hostility?

how is death equal?

????

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Ego Tripping

My percieved hostility is just your belief construct!

Because everyone receives it no matter what. Wtf dude? You're not on it today.

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