verklingen

It is easy to see that within our existance, all systems proceed in cycles. These cycles pass from a potential (absolute entropy; egg) to an aspect of that potential (increasing order; development) to the prime of that aspect (absolute order; maturity) to a fading of that prime (increasing entropy; old age), terminating in an eventual return to the the cycle's origin (absolute entropy; death).

Given this, do you believe that our own existance follows a similar process?

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Mescalito

I dont understand how one could vote for the 'yes: undefined' option.

I just see life as the experience of separation and death the experience of wholeness. In that sense i could say yeah i believe reincarnation.. defined as just that. A transition between duality and absolute wholeness... with a few close stops on the way.

Matchu

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verklingen

Well, undefined pretty much means you may believe in reincarnation, but you haven't given much thought to the exact mechanism which directs it. The selection is open to your own definition which will hopefully be explained in the body of a post (as yours kindly was).

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Blue_Dolphin

Well, I do not believe in reincarnation at all. I think it's stupid actually. God gives you one chance to either accept or reject him and that is it.

verklingen

^ So why do some people get lucky and have an easier life than others? What about people who have never heard of God: what is their fate? I don't think you've thought this through very well. . .

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Blue_Dolphin

I'm sure there are explanations... but I dont care enough to look them up. People get lucky, yes but it's not because they were "good" in their past life. So what, you think celebrities were "good" and poor people were "bad"?

verklingen

^ Why not decide your beliefs for yourself instead of saying you could "look them up"?

And no, I personally think celebrities have an unfortunate life. They are inclined to be full of themselves and will usually waste their lives trying to fill an emptiness for which their material success is too narrow.

Our next incarnation is the next logical step along the path of our existance. If I stumble a little on a rock, my next step will fall differently from how it might have if I missed the rock, also altering each of my following steps.

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Blue_Dolphin

Ok, I will look some stuff up and get back to you.

Blue_Dolphin

Everybody will get a chance. Whether they have heard about Jesus or not. They will be raised from the dead on judgement day and will stand in front of God and be judged.

During the 1000 years, when Jesus rules the Earth, the dead will return and they will have a chance to believe him or not. (Those that have never had the opportunity before.)


To be continued....

wanderlust

I fully believe in the workings of karma and reincarnation being a buddhist and all.

JahBohl

I voted no, but I'm open to the possibility...it's a big warm fuzzy of an idea.
I certainly wouldn't live my life any differently even if I accepted this concept.

I like Matchu's 'definition', but I don't think that's what most people think when they're talking about reincarnation.

The same 'fate' as everyone else......whatever that may be.

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wanderlust

I think a lot of people believe the same thing and semantics and arguments over the specific words used get in the way of a whole lot of understanding. My thoughts on it are basically the same as Matchu's but he explained in a different way and with different words, but at the base it's all the same sort of thing. I also look at reincarnation with the whole matter/(energy?) can't be destroyed or created, just shifted around scientific sort of view. Though regardless of what anyone thinks what's gonna happen is what's gonna happen, and no one will know until it happens. So I always make sure to remind myself not to be so stubborn to think i know the answer to any of this. At the base of it all I think everything in the universe is just a bunch of energy acting in different ways all swishing about at these tiny levels and hopefully one day all this energy will all be united.

Hyperion93

If there is such thing as reincarnation, then how can one explain population increases? Where are all these extra souls coming from?

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verklingen

^ No extra souls, just souls shifting from one manifestation to another. Earth isn't the only planet, you know: and not every soul is currently manifest in the physical.

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Governor

There are incarnations in 3D life. You can choose as many or as few as you want...at the same time!

Many incarnations are the result of not understanding how a person could live a life they led. You always have the option of living that life to grasp the concept of that particular life.

The rules are simple; Learn, have a good time, or both.

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wanderlust

the hundreds perhaps thousands of extinct species and dwindling animal populations, even including insects depending on your views. There are other realms too, and earth isn't the center of either the physical or the spiritual world.

Hyperion93

Are you suggesting that a living physical entity can become reincarnated into a form of energy?

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I hope not.

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verklingen

^ Sure, why not? It's all energy in one form or another. I hope you're not misunderstanding this to mean that you could become a photon or a gamma ray; there's a big difference between the physical and spiritual energies.

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The Rev

I think there is only one soul, and one Universe, and they are the same thing. Seperateness is an illusion; an idea that is supported not only by many spiritual traditions, but modern physics as well. It is my hunch that this soul is fragmented by this illusion, much as the mind of a MPD victim is fragmented, and it is the goal of spiritual work to reintegrate this broken mind by a number of means, both mental and physical. Meditation, and the samadhi experience, are tools to see this more clearly. Evolution, in the face of entropy, also is suggestive. I believe that the Universe struggles to become whole, and our own angst, and fumblings toward "higher truth" are how it ultimately does so.

And, so long as you do not see that you are All, and not just a physical manifestation of some notion that you identify as "myself" that process goes on.

I could be wrong, tho.



The Rev

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SageTree

undefined is what I chose, based not that I haven't considered the vehicle or mode. Things such as this I have the belief that the more its put on the head of a pin the less accessable it is to others. I'm unclear of how, but looking at the cyclical motion of life, probablity if nothing else seems to say yes, there is. how is a personal thing as is what (G)god/dess is or isn't. undefined

PeaceLoveSageTree

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