If you're not a fundamentalist, what are you? - Page 8

verklingen · 08-08-2006, 06:18 AM

Does no one here understand that, in debate or discussion, clarity is much more important than agreement? And this does not mean to say that you can take, for example, Waves' clarification on his understanding of the terms "judge" and "assess," picking it apart and finding where his understanding does not agree with yours (or your dictionary's). At least he put forth the effort to make himself clear. The least you could do is understand that clarity without without finding semantical disagreements (which seems to be the only disagreement anyone in this thread has with anyone else).

If you seek clarity, everyone's ideas will be understood. Debate is useless, because everything other than clarity is based on fearful emotions.

ziplock · 08-08-2006, 11:07 AM

How is debate useless?

And how is semantics the only disagreement anyone in this thread has with another? I think my disagreements are a bit more than semantics.

As far as waves and snapshot, that whole conversation could've been summed up to: "I use the word judgement when anything has to with good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse, and assessment when you don't consider the good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse." Than snapshot could've went "Okay, I use the dictionary." And boom it's done.

The rest is mostly just people trying to keep from being seen as "wrong." Fun stuff.

Waves · 08-08-2006, 12:26 PM

its weird because i said what i meant by judgement like on page two and people still carry on with their semantical arguments

and of course, the fact that i argue against concepts like right and wrong then go on to defend my "rightness" should show just how strong of a hold these concepts have on our puny monkey-brains

**SageTree** · 06-10-2009, 07:54 PM

bump

08-08-2006, 06:18 AM	#141 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	Does no one here understand that, in debate or discussion, clarity is much more important than agreement? And this does not mean to say that you can take, for example, Waves' clarification on his understanding of the terms "judge" and "assess," picking it apart and finding where his understanding does not agree with yours (or your dictionary's). At least he put forth the effort to make himself clear. The least you could do is understand that clarity without without finding semantical disagreements (which seems to be the only disagreement anyone in this thread has with anyone else). If you seek clarity, everyone's ideas will be understood. Debate is useless, because everything other than clarity is based on fearful emotions. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

08-08-2006, 11:07 AM	#142 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	How is debate useless? And how is semantics the only disagreement anyone in this thread has with another? I think my disagreements are a bit more than semantics. As far as waves and snapshot, that whole conversation could've been summed up to: "I use the word judgement when anything has to with good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse, and assessment when you don't consider the good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse." Than snapshot could've went "Okay, I use the dictionary." And boom it's done. The rest is mostly just people trying to keep from being seen as "wrong." Fun stuff. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

08-08-2006, 12:26 PM	#143 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	its weird because i said what i meant by judgement like on page two and people still carry on with their semantical arguments and of course, the fact that i argue against concepts like right and wrong then go on to defend my "rightness" should show just how strong of a hold these concepts have on our puny monkey-brains __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow Last edited by Waves; 08-08-2006 at 12:29 PM.

06-10-2009, 07:54 PM	#144 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,767 Times in 4,664 Posts	bump __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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