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Old 11-10-2006, 09:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
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religion is nothing but PROPAGANDA AND BULLSHIT
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Right, because it's just common sense to believe that the Emperor of Ethiopia is the incarnation of God.
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hey it just occured to me. guns + blackouts = bad, bad, bad.
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I don't think God minds us smoking weed. I don't think things that only hurt yourself are considered sins, and weed would fall in this category. If God cares about smoking weed, then he must really hate fat people.
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hey it just occured to me. guns + blackouts = bad, bad, bad.
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4/20=Governor's Day.

He needs to learn that lil Larry will never be the same again after this painful intrusion. Larry's family asks for privacy and respect while they cope with this tragic molestation.

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Old 11-10-2006, 10:01 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Sorry... I wasn't givin' ya shit (well... maybe just a little bit). Note the 'wink'.... it is just an attempt to point out that everyones' 'wisdom' is equally valid in the sense that none of us is qualified to judge the path of another (hehehe.... in my judgement anyway )


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If you think about "what God wants" you clearly don't understand the concept of God since you don't understand the concept of transcendence. God can not be known.
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All other stuff is just someones opinion wich got attached allong the way.
Seemed to contradict one another
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Old 11-10-2006, 10:03 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I've always wondered for the religious fanatics out there that twist the bible to suit their own beliefs and try to preach to others...

What about tribes who have never been exposed to the bible?

I would like to ask them if they believe these people should go to hell for not reading and following the bible....when clearly they have never even heard of such a thing....

religion..."organise d" pisses me the fuck off.

it's just gay.
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Seemed to contradict one another
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If you think about "what God wants" you clearly don't understand the concept of God since you don't understand the concept of transcendence. God can not be known.
Is about the nature of God wich is trancendent.

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Being a good person is what all ethics are about. All other stuff is just someones opinion wich got attached allong the way.
Is a statement about ethics, wich is immanent, and doesn't necessarily need to invoke God in any way (I'll just refer to my rant about being a 'good' person)

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To some people, being a good person DOES necessarily involve God. This is why the necessity to separate church and state... this opinion is one of religion... is a judgement. Your perception of the nature of God (and mine as well... more or less) is your opinion... so the "fact" that others do not understand God is also an attached opinion. I'm being a terrible devils' advocate here (I'm sorry)... I agree with your perceptions.

Turm, I agree. Not to even mention that so many people refer to the bible as if it is one text. Where else do so many books get stuck together, written over such an extreme stretch of time, by so many various people (channelled material as well), "OK"ed and edited through so many rulers and THEN taken as THE BOOK... the ONLY sacred text. Why is it that they believe that God spoke to people, worked through people then but not now? How is it that they see people who are tuned to nature as people of 'Satan'????!!!!!!! For God's sake, He gave us life through her... the spirit is in the Mother AND the Father.

I've never taken my kids to church (particularly since I'm not Christian ). We speak of God and sometimes of angels and guides. My daughter has started going to a youth group (she's 11 now). My son is six and it was soooo funny (made me smile so big). We went to pick her up the other night from the youth group and he said, "Where are we?" I said, "The church"... he goes, "THIS is a church?" I said "Yes"... he: "a church is in a building???" I said, "Yeah... where did you think it was?" He goes, "I don't know... like in a circle in the middle of grass or something." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (never have spoken about anything like that... been to any Pagan or native rituals or NE thing... completely 'solitary' here) THAT'S MY BOYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!1
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I've always wondered for the religious fanatics out there that twist the bible to suit their own beliefs and try to preach to others...

What about tribes who have never been exposed to the bible?

I would like to ask them if they believe these people should go to hell for not reading and following the bible....when clearly they have never even heard of such a thing....
The traditional Christian take on them is that the ones who were sinners go to hell, the good ones are stuck in limbo, like babies who die before they get baptized. They can't go to Heaven since they weren't Christian, but nothing bad happens to them.
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hey it just occured to me. guns + blackouts = bad, bad, bad.
"free <insert member name>"

4/20=Governor's Day.

He needs to learn that lil Larry will never be the same again after this painful intrusion. Larry's family asks for privacy and respect while they cope with this tragic molestation.

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Old 11-10-2006, 11:23 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Old 11-10-2006, 12:06 PM   #29 (permalink)
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God is okay with anything we do. If He wasn't, we wouldn't be able to do it, and by making us unable to do it He would be limiting Himself. Every experience is open to you, that's the beauty of God's boundless Love.
oh come on, that's ridiculous. then there would be no point in religion or even belief in God since everything would be ok no matter what. a loving god would not be ok with us raping and murdering children for instance, that's simply common sense. that's why religions have concepts like sin and karma, to teach us that not all of our actions are alright with God. the bible says you will reap as you sow.

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I agree.^

What kind of a "God" would we have if he was a judgemental "God".

Human's are judgemental, not "God".
what kind of God would we have if he was ok with everything?
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I don't believe in God, or in a God.

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Old 11-10-2006, 12:08 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't think God minds us smoking weed. I don't think things that only hurt yourself are considered sins, and weed would fall in this category. If God cares about smoking weed, then he must really hate fat people.

this is wrong, things that hurt only yourself ARE sins (at least according to christianity/buddhism/hinduism). gluttony is also a sin (since you mentioned fat people).
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oh come on, that's ridiculous. then there would be no point in religion or even belief in God since everything would be ok no matter what. a loving god would not be ok with us raping and murdering children for instance, that's simply common sense. that's why religions have concepts like sin and karma, to teach us that not all of our actions are alright with God. the bible says you will reap as you sow.



what kind of God would we have if he was ok with everything?
Why would there be no point for a belief in God if everything is okay no matter what? If you can do something, it must be okay because if it were not, God would not allow it. But God allows you to do anything. That's the essence of infinity: everything is possible. This means that everything is allowable, and "okay."

You bring up karma. Karma doesn't keep you from doing "bad" things, it allows you to reap what you sow. What you get back from your actions might cause you to stop doing "bad" things, but God isn't going to hold you back. He lets you to learn on your own. If you decide through your free will to make raping and murdering children a part of that lesson, God allows it.

So what can that mean other than He is "okay" with it? You're a part of God afterall, and God is everything. You can't praise the Yang and scorn the Yin; not in a complete, infinite universe such as ours.
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I bet god smokes like a pound a day

Seriously, he must smoke with the coolest people ever, socrates, Picasso, Lincoln, Marley, Hendrix, Morrison, and many others
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oh come on, that's ridiculous. then there would be no point in religion or even belief in God since everything would be ok no matter what. a loving god would not be ok with us raping and murdering children for instance, that's simply common sense. that's why religions have concepts like sin and karma, to teach us that not all of our actions are alright with God. the bible says you will reap as you sow.
Hi Do you take the Bible as the 'Word of God'? And if so, do you take ALL of the Bible as Gods word or only part of it? But what you're saying (if I'm not mistaken) is that the Bible was CREATED to keep 'humans' in line, yes? And this makes the assumption that it is in our nature to be 'evil'?... and even that without conditioning we WILL be evil.

Do you believe that God loves unconditionally? Is a belief in God REALLY what keeps one from doing harmful things to another? You suggest a 'need' to believe in God as a type of social control mechanism?



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Why would there be no point for a belief in God if everything is okay no matter what? If you can do something, it must be okay because if it were not, God would not allow it. But God allows you to do anything. That's the essence of infinity: everything is possible. This means that everything is allowable, and "okay."

You bring up karma. Karma doesn't keep you from doing "bad" things, it allows you to reap what you sow. What you get back from your actions might cause you to stop doing "bad" things, but God isn't going to hold you back. He lets you to learn on your own. If you decide through your free will to make raping and murdering children a part of that lesson, God allows it.

So what can that mean other than He is "okay" with it? You're a part of God afterall, and God is everything. You can't praise the Yang and scorn the Yin; not in a complete, infinite universe such as ours.

yin and yang flow together harmoniously and compliment eachother. a world without murder would certainly be possible, thus you can scorn murder.

your post is based on muddled logic. if you accept karma and thus that murdering will bring you bad karma, then it can be said that god is not "ok" with murder. you can do it because you have free will but that doesn't mean god wants you to do it or that it is in your best interest. what is the point in saying god is ok with everything if doing some things will clearly get you in trouble?
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Hi Do you take the Bible as the 'Word of God'? And if so, do you take ALL of the Bible as Gods word or only part of it? But what you're saying (if I'm not mistaken) is that the Bible was CREATED to keep 'humans' in line, yes? And this makes the assumption that it is in our nature to be 'evil'?... and even that without conditioning we WILL be evil.

Do you believe that God loves unconditionally? Is a belief in God REALLY what keeps one from doing harmful things to another? You suggest a 'need' to believe in God as a type of social control mechanism?



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^Haha... that's what they used to tell me in church too
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no seriously, those questions are beyond the scope of this thread. if you want my personal answers PM me and ill get around to answering them. i just dont want to get involved in a long debate that deviates away from the thread topic.
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yin and yang flow together harmoniously and compliment eachother. a world without murder would certainly be possible, thus you can scorn murder.

your post is based on muddled logic. if you accept karma and thus that murdering will bring you bad karma, then it can be said that god is not "ok" with murder. you can do it because you have free will but that doesn't mean god wants you to do it or that it is in your best interest. what is the point in saying god is ok with everything if doing some things will clearly get you in trouble?
An effect is an effect. Perhaps some particular person enjoys the effect of putting out bad karma. Who can decide what is in one's self interest other than one's self? You're missing the broader scope of my statement.
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An effect is an effect. Perhaps some particular person enjoys the effect of putting out bad karma. Who can decide what is in one's self interest other than one's self? You're missing the broader scope of my statement.

that doesn't mean god is ok with it though, that is why doing "bad" things will often lead to your own destruction. for example drinking alcohol to excess has the affect of giving you hangovers. now your argument is that drinking excess alcohol is ok because some people might enjoy hangovers (although i seriously doubt this is true) but if they keep up this behavior, they will eventually die from liver failure. hence god is not ok with this behavior because he set up his laws so that those who engaged in it would eventually destroy themselves.
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