Vegetarianism - Page 3

cantSEEme · 05-23-2008, 01:58 AM

i eat a balance of meats, poultry, fish, and veggies, fruits, legumes, & grains.

we are omnivores

plus in my family, we associate food with good times and celebration, so meats play an important role in that.

Skywarp · 05-23-2008, 01:59 AM

Eating the flesh of consciousness makes the soul stronger...I hope that my vessel gets eaten as to contribe to the cycle...

Captain Cannabis · 05-23-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

i dont hate anyone, but there is no decent way to get meat in my opinion.

and yes meat is addictive. it has all kinds of biochemicals, hormones, adrenaline, and endorphins that are released in the process of slaughter...getting a lot of these biochemicals turns down or off your own body's ability to make them or similar ones and it may take awhile for those processes to kick back on/up...thus people get bad cravings....just as someone (hippie) before was talking about.

if you seriously believe that meat is addictive i question whether or not you have even eaten meat or even ever met anyone who eats meat. that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

you are ridiculous

JcP · 05-23-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Cannabis

if you seriously believe that meat is addictive i question whether or not you have even eaten meat or even ever met anyone who eats meat. that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

you are ridiculous

I think I've made my stance clear in this thread, and am far from in agreement with JainVeganBuddha...

But meat is addictive. It's not like heroin, but meat is indeed something people go through craving and withdrawal from on the line of sugar.

I think you might have heard the word "addiction" and went to the extreme. An addict is simply "a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance."

It doesn't mean you stand on streetcorners asking people for a piece of flank steak

Captain Cannabis · 05-23-2008, 02:51 PM

i am not convinced at all. can you present any factual evidence other than rampant speculation?

i have gone back and forth from being a vegetarian to an omnivore enough times to have figured this out. the only possible way you could justify meat as being addictive is if you define addiction in a new way.

theres a huge difference between an addiction and a habit. there is not the slightest bit of physical or psychological stress associated with becoming a vegetarian.

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-23-2008, 04:36 PM

CC--basically you are letting the animals body take over many metabolic processes such as the synthesis of many complex biochemicals that are unique to animals. your body stops or slows greatly in making your own body's components, flesh, immune molecules, metabolic chems, neurotransmitters... .a lot of things because you are taking in many of these from animals and getting them or lightly digested fragments of such directly through your digestive tract and bloodstream.

when you stop eating the stuff, your body is not ready to be self sufficient in its own chemical processes... i cant really explain it much better than that but...there is also the factor of endorphins and adrenaline etc that alters ones brain chemistry, dopamine, and can be definitely addictive even in the most minute tiny amounts.

these hormones and brain chems work in extremely minute tiny amounts...but are dumped into the bloodstream during an extremely horrific experience such as being slaughtered and dismembered alive. over ones whole life one may make only a few drops or a teaspoon of these chemicals in ones own body, so that is how minute of amounts have strong effects in us.

Bud Head · 05-23-2008, 08:28 PM

As a farmer who raises a lot of pigs/hogs, calves/cows that I eat and send some to the market, mine are treated as kids.. They get treats along with good food to eat.. I can lead my animals around with a small handful of food when they eaten all they wanted.. I have cows that are nothing but 1500-1800 lb pets.. They get more money fed to them in feed than my kids could eat in a year...

Suffering? Aren't veggies alive till they are picked?

My animals are treated lots better than the veggies you buy in the store.. Veggies are not the same as an animal, but you kill a living plant, fruit etc every time you pick them or they get picked..

And how about the way fruits and veggies are handled?? They are treated a lot worse than animals.. Think about it for a few minutes.. The open your mind and let reality set in!

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-23-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud Head

As a farmer who raises a lot of pigs/hogs, calves/cows that I eat and send some to the market, mine are treated as kids.. They get treats along with good food to eat.. I can lead my animals around with a small handful of food when they eaten all they wanted.. I have cows that are nothing but 1500-1800 lb pets.. They get more money fed to them in feed than my kids could eat in a year...

Suffering? Aren't veggies alive till they are picked?

My animals are treated lots better than the veggies you buy in the store.. Veggies are not the same as an animal, but you kill a living plant, fruit etc every time you pick them or they get picked..

And how about the way fruits and veggies are handled?? They are treated a lot worse than animals.. Think about it for a few minutes.. The open your mind and let reality set in!

um, do you slaughter your kids?

im fruitarian...and no you dont kill the fruit. i dont eat seeds and save/scatter those from my food.

vegetation has different sensitivity than animals, obviously...

its your own karma bro. just be prepared to get what you give

Bud Head · 05-23-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

um, do you slaughter your kids?

im fruitarian...and no you dont kill the fruit. i dont eat seeds and save/scatter those from my food.

vegetation has different sensitivity than animals, obviously...

its your own karma bro. just be prepared to get what you give

I'd rather eat meat that i have grown myself than any of the veggies or fruits that have been poisoned to death to keep insects, worm and other animals from eating them as they grew...

What do you think happens to the poison they spray on the fruits? it doesn't was off..

That poison will kill you before my meat will me!

Captain Cannabis · 05-23-2008, 09:23 PM

budhead, that is exactly the reason i am in love with the farmers market. i have met all the people i buy my food from at the market and all of them are great people.

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-23-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud Head

I'd rather eat meat that i have grown myself than any of the veggies or fruits that have been poisoned to death to keep insects, worm and other animals from eating them as they grew...

What do you think happens to the poison they spray on the fruits? it doesn't was off..

That poison will kill you before my meat will me!

that is true about pesticides. i try to eat mostly organic and local as well.

if you really loved, respected, and cared for the animals like family (which they are--all life forms are one family) then you would not subject them to violence and killing.

JcP · 05-23-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Cannabis

i am not convinced at all. can you present any factual evidence other than rampant speculation?

i have gone back and forth from being a vegetarian to an omnivore enough times to have figured this out. the only possible way you could justify meat as being addictive is if you define addiction in a new way.

theres a huge difference between an addiction and a habit. there is not the slightest bit of physical or psychological stress associated with becoming a vegetarian.

how about you define addiction and then we'll see if how I'm using it jives with you.

Seems to me we might be arguing semantics...

Captain Cannabis · 05-24-2008, 03:53 AM

yargh blah sluhft glorp

JcP · 05-24-2008, 03:08 PM

then yes, meat is addictive. :-)

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-24-2008, 06:18 PM

its totally addictive, chemically and physically...and like most addictive drugs it is bad for you..bringing in lots of toxins, carcinogens, and cholesterol.

Bud Head · 05-24-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

its totally addictive, chemically and physically...and like most addictive drugs it is bad for you..bringing in lots of toxins, carcinogens, and cholesterol.

Do a little research, I did a lot of research after my heart surgery and have found that lots of fruits and veggies have bad fats and some have a form of cholesterol..

Talk to me after your research..

SweetSativa · 05-25-2008, 06:03 AM

Carbs are addictive. When you eat starchy foods, you blood sugar gets higher than normal and then it plummets real low so you feel hungry again and crave the same starchy sugary foods. If you stop consuming breads and sugars and what-not you often have physical withdrawal symptoms (I did) before your blood sugar levels even out. I don't think meat is addictive. It's about balance. It's not good for you to eat too much red meat (some is good as long as it is chewed properly, etc... you get iron and lots of valuable vitamins and minerals... especially from liver). It's also not good for you to eat refined white sugar or white flour. We eat too much meat and not enough veggies and whole grains in this country. We eat way too much white sugar, white flour, and potatoes as well.

kamikazi89 · 05-25-2008, 03:08 PM

no thanks to the liver:yuck:
meat is a food source, most def.(esp. if your willing to kill it yourself)

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-25-2008, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud Head

Do a little research, I did a lot of research after my heart surgery and have found that lots of fruits and veggies have bad fats and some have a form of cholesterol..

Talk to me after your research..

...after my heart surgery...

told you so

now just wait until you reincarnate as a factory farmed animal. then youll really be feeling the effects

kamikazi89 · 05-25-2008, 03:28 PM

till then//

05-23-2008, 01:58 AM	#41 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	i eat a balance of meats, poultry, fish, and veggies, fruits, legumes, & grains. we are omnivores plus in my family, we associate food with good times and celebration, so meats play an important role in that. __________________

05-23-2008, 01:59 AM	#42 (permalink)
Skywarp More Equal Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pha That Luang Posts: 391 Thanks: 17 Thanked 48 Times in 41 Posts	Eating the flesh of consciousness makes the soul stronger...I hope that my vessel gets eaten as to contribe to the cycle... __________________ ?

05-23-2008, 02:51 PM	#45 (permalink)
Captain Cannabis safety word: more Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: m.i.a. Posts: 13,849 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 2,915 Times in 1,679 Posts	i am not convinced at all. can you present any factual evidence other than rampant speculation? i have gone back and forth from being a vegetarian to an omnivore enough times to have figured this out. the only possible way you could justify meat as being addictive is if you define addiction in a new way. theres a huge difference between an addiction and a habit. there is not the slightest bit of physical or psychological stress associated with becoming a vegetarian. __________________ fuck the monkeys

05-23-2008, 08:28 PM	#47 (permalink)
Bud Head Yahooka admin Hawk Eye Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 15,451 Thanks: 57 Thanked 305 Times in 207 Posts	As a farmer who raises a lot of pigs/hogs, calves/cows that I eat and send some to the market, mine are treated as kids.. They get treats along with good food to eat.. I can lead my animals around with a small handful of food when they eaten all they wanted.. I have cows that are nothing but 1500-1800 lb pets.. They get more money fed to them in feed than my kids could eat in a year... Suffering? Aren't veggies alive till they are picked? My animals are treated lots better than the veggies you buy in the store.. Veggies are not the same as an animal, but you kill a living plant, fruit etc every time you pick them or they get picked.. And how about the way fruits and veggies are handled?? They are treated a lot worse than animals.. Think about it for a few minutes.. The open your mind and let reality set in! __________________ If you want a drug free country, then you must legalize. ~~BH~~ Farmers grow the world..

05-23-2008, 09:23 PM	#50 (permalink)
Captain Cannabis safety word: more Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: m.i.a. Posts: 13,849 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 2,915 Times in 1,679 Posts	budhead, that is exactly the reason i am in love with the farmers market. i have met all the people i buy my food from at the market and all of them are great people. __________________ fuck the monkeys

05-23-2008, 04:36 PM	#46 (permalink)
~~JainVeganBuddha~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 240 Thanks: 9 Thanked 33 Times in 23 Posts	CC--basically you are letting the animals body take over many metabolic processes such as the synthesis of many complex biochemicals that are unique to animals. your body stops or slows greatly in making your own body's components, flesh, immune molecules, metabolic chems, neurotransmitters... .a lot of things because you are taking in many of these from animals and getting them or lightly digested fragments of such directly through your digestive tract and bloodstream. when you stop eating the stuff, your body is not ready to be self sufficient in its own chemical processes... i cant really explain it much better than that but...there is also the factor of endorphins and adrenaline etc that alters ones brain chemistry, dopamine, and can be definitely addictive even in the most minute tiny amounts. these hormones and brain chems work in extremely minute tiny amounts...but are dumped into the bloodstream during an extremely horrific experience such as being slaughtered and dismembered alive. over ones whole life one may make only a few drops or a teaspoon of these chemicals in ones own body, so that is how minute of amounts have strong effects in us.

05-24-2008, 03:53 AM	#53 (permalink)
Captain Cannabis safety word: more Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: m.i.a. Posts: 13,849 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 2,915 Times in 1,679 Posts	yargh blah sluhft glorp __________________ fuck the monkeys

05-24-2008, 06:18 PM	#55 (permalink)
~~JainVeganBuddha~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 240 Thanks: 9 Thanked 33 Times in 23 Posts	its totally addictive, chemically and physically...and like most addictive drugs it is bad for you..bringing in lots of toxins, carcinogens, and cholesterol.

05-25-2008, 06:03 AM	#57 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	Carbs are addictive. When you eat starchy foods, you blood sugar gets higher than normal and then it plummets real low so you feel hungry again and crave the same starchy sugary foods. If you stop consuming breads and sugars and what-not you often have physical withdrawal symptoms (I did) before your blood sugar levels even out. I don't think meat is addictive. It's about balance. It's not good for you to eat too much red meat (some is good as long as it is chewed properly, etc... you get iron and lots of valuable vitamins and minerals... especially from liver). It's also not good for you to eat refined white sugar or white flour. We eat too much meat and not enough veggies and whole grains in this country. We eat way too much white sugar, white flour, and potatoes as well. __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

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