Vegetarianism - Page 5

05-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Haha, he's actually nuts because he actually cared whether or not some guy on some random forum would respect him or not haha. Yeah I needed to get my morphine perscription refilled yesterday pretty bad kinda wiggin all over the place, but now I'm cool.

Regardless I think everything that needed to be said about vegetarianism is said and done.

kamikazi89 · 05-26-2008, 10:39 AM

factory farming is destroying the planet, the feed used for cattle and poultry would be better be used for other purposes..it's all about scale

SweetSativa · 05-26-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

eat your own meat if it is so nutrtious. you can also drink straight blood to get all those nutrients and human blood would be the best..baby blood probably being optimum...so go on and vamp out for maximum health and immortal longevity

Where can I score some of that?

You were the one saying that meat was harmful to the health and addictive... that was what I was responding to. Baby blood has nothing to do with whether or not meat is nutritious or not. lol.... learn to argue and then come back and I may spend some time but right now it's nonsense. Your choice to go veggie is great but it seems to be causing some sort of brain damage when it comes to making rational correlations and arguments.

A bear would eat a fish or some other animal but they wouldn't eat another bear... it goes against nature. So, I think I would probably not eat another human being (as tempting as you make it sound

).

kamikazi89 · 05-26-2008, 12:16 PM

chickens are cannibals, and cats will eat their own young

Captain Cannabis · 05-26-2008, 12:34 PM

lots of animals eat their own kind. mostly scavenger type animals

obviously not eating meat makes you go totally crazy

kamikazi89 · 05-26-2008, 12:37 PM

Placenta recipes, eating your placenta
yummy?

Porcelain · 05-26-2008, 01:22 PM

The basis of the disagreement on meat eating is simple. If you believe in JVB's karma, perhaps there's little you can do to justify eating living things. However, you can't throw it in someone's face that they're going to have bad karma if they don't believe in it in the first place. I believe the universe balances itself out. If I do something truly bad in this life, something bad may happen to me in return. However, I don't believe that I'm gonna be reincarnated as a slug for eating meat. I just don't.

Therfore, aside from the karmic aspect of it...eating meat (or not) is simply a personal choice. If you like it so much that you can't give it up, tough shit for karma. If you can live without it, why not? I've slowly been reducing my meat intake and I haven't had any problems so far. In fact, I'm happy with the physical aspect because I'm losing the thunder thighs lol.

What I'm trying to say, in summary, is that you can't scare someone into being a vegan. They either choose to be or they don't but threatening bad karma only makes the argument seem ridiculous and probably reenforces one's choice to continue eating meat.

kamikazi89 · 05-26-2008, 01:26 PM

..don'T forget about the enviormental issues(think global):kiss:

Porcelain · 05-26-2008, 01:35 PM

I do think global but the thing is, unless you're some kind of a saint who's a level one million vegan and drives a bicycle everywhere, only buys recycleable products, throws out one bag of garbage a year and goes around planting trees...there's really only so much you can do to help the environment in not eating meat.

I have a huge issue with the superiority complexes of many vegans I've met in my life. They always make you feel like you're wrong no matter how much you try. I do my best. I try my best to bring reuseable bags to the grocery store, I try my best to recycle, I try my best not to eat meat...and I don't think I (or anyone else who tries) should be made to feel like shit.

kamikazi89 · 05-26-2008, 01:48 PM

i agree with you honey(about the superiorty complex-thing) people get very defensive if they feel they're being "judged"..and nobodies perfect.., we all leave room for improvement(i think jainveganbuddha is a mix of UncleSaddam and pitfall

Bud Head · 05-26-2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamikazi89

i agree with you honey(about the superiorty complex-thing) people get very defensive if they feel they're being "judged"..and nobodies perfect.., we all leave room for improvement(i think jainveganbuddha is a mix of UncleSaddam and pitfall

JVB is perfect in every way... Just ask him/her!!!!!

The rest of us are sinners and bad karma experts..

And in no way even human..

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-26-2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smaerd

Haha, he's actually nuts because he actually cared whether or not some guy on some random forum would respect him or not haha. Yeah I needed to get my morphine perscription refilled yesterday pretty bad kinda wiggin all over the place, but now I'm cool.

Regardless I think everything that needed to be said about vegetarianism is said and done.

no i just responded to be nice. try it sometime.

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-26-2008, 06:25 PM

i dont feel im being judgmental, i can talk about issues and subjects, learn from some things, and think for myself. people get defensive because they are not geared to share info, grow, and learn. people are grumpy, grouchy creatures of habit that dont like to be asked to consider the feelings and well-being of others in their self-gratifying habits and patterns.

Captain Cannabis · 05-26-2008, 06:37 PM

you really don't think you are being judgmental?

judg·men·tal
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or dependent on judgment: a judgmental error.
2. Inclined to make judgments, especially moral or personal ones: a marriage counselor who tries not to be judgmental.

JcP · 05-26-2008, 08:08 PM

saying:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

i dont feel im being judgmental.

and then saying:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

people get defensive because they are not geared to share info, grow, and learn. .

and then saying:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

people are grumpy, grouchy creatures of habit that dont like to be asked to consider the feelings and well-being of others in their self-gratifying habits and patterns.

should have given you pause.

Porcelain · 05-26-2008, 08:49 PM

pwnt

Mescalito · 05-27-2008, 02:26 AM

Haha!

So... I have known many people who hold the concept of karma close to their heart go on about things coming back to you.. but really... bad and good are SUBJECTIVE concepts.. so who is to say if you do one thing.. that something equal and opposite would come back at ya...? Or maybe I just don't understand what people are trying to express..?

For example.. if I killed a cow and shared it with some starving children.. would I be screwed over later for it? So, JVB.. tell em more about your own views of karma if you would like...

M

**~~JainVeganBuddha~~** · 05-27-2008, 03:33 AM

ultimately the cycle of karma is mystical and beyond mere mental comprehension, the idea is to get a basic understanding and master karma through practical action/living. the best source, and original source to study about karma is through researching jainism. they have evolved a whole simple basic science on the matter.

the idea of karma is that our actions cause reactions and come back to us in life. there are different kinds of karma. when the reactions come back to us it has been called the 'fruits' of our actions, or the ripening of our karma. the action that caused that reaction is called the seed.

some karma comes back to us very quickly...in this life...called instant karma. some comes back to us at a later time in this life. some karma comes back to us fully in our next life, determining what kind of form, condition, circumstances, and world we inhabit in the vast universe. in general karma has an overall effect that tends to help us learn and advance by reflecting /mirroring our life in our experience.

an important point about karma is that we are in control of our own life and destiny and experience. it is our responsibility to navigate our own path and future through acting consciously, compassionately, and in awareness of karma.

there is an aspect of karma as universal teacher and universal justice. the great spirit of life is conscious and without ill will toward any, but one with all. the action of karma suggests an omniscient awareness that connects all things and beings in the universe and nature. there is an aspect of parenthood and righteousness in the universe that guides beings toward perfection, compassion, maturity, and righteousness. often the best thing to learn is getting a taste of our own medicine--our own reactions.

i dont think killing a cow would be good karma in any circumstance. death and starvation are not to be feared as much as violence, killing, and poisoning our own soul with such actions. to one karmically aware, that would never be an option, because one would be consciously scheduling oneself for the same type of slaughter in the future by the accruing karma. feeding children with that would not be a help to them, because it would lower their consciousness, pollute them spiritually, and give them bad karma as well.

The material body that we have now is conditioned by suffering and impermanence. our true self is not this material body, but our eternal soul. if one dies in austerity or starvation after doing good karma, no karma, and/or becoming purified one will ascend to nicer more heavenly worlds and forms, circumstances and conditions of life in more subtle energetic forms in pleasant loving and pure association.

If one engages in all kinds of violence and killing, causing other beings suffering etc just to sustain or pamper the body, then there is no real benefit, because the body is impermanent, the consciousness will be lowered, one will receive bad fortune eventually in life and descend to lower worlds and forms, conditions and circumstances that are dense, incarnate, prone to the same sufferings and violence that one committed in previous life, in troublesome unsafe and unfortunate association.

so it is to be understood that there are various grades and conditions of life into which one can be born/incarnate into in our human world. there are also many other kinds of earthly beings one can be born into, according to karma, including animals, insects, and others. it should also be understood that there are much higher and nicer worlds of life where we can reside with heavenly beings. there are also more troublesome, dark, cold and difficult worlds in the vast universe, and in each of them there are various kinds and forms of beings. Our own karma and conscious decisions can send us to such worlds where we can/will experience the full effects of our own karma committed toward other beings.

karma represents the slow and methodical workings of a vast and conscious, righteous universe and great spirit. there is a great equality among all living entities, a great justice, and a connection of oneness among all life. the master, having purified one's soul, attained enlightenment and universal collective consciousness, can navigate with excellent karma and deep insight...this vision comes with time and practice.

the master becomes liberated from the body even in this life and can astrally navigate the vast worlds and encounter all sorts of awesome planets, peoples, and beings including those in darkness, suffering, heavenly worlds, and strange and artistic places of amazing beauty. in the higher worlds one encounters such amazing dynasties of enlightened and kind beings, such fun and creative pastimes, and subtle worlds where nature itself makes life effortless, pleasant, and fun-centered. Ther is a clarity and a stillness and a majesty there that is both humbling and makes one not want to leave. Here friendship, love, and a 'campy', celebratory mood dominates. beings dont have the same gross material bodies that are subject to pain, disease, aging etc. things are changeable, mind-made, and all kinds of dreamlike miraculous things of the imagination are possible.

when the liberated master departs this life, one will not incarnate again into another gross material form. when one who has made great karmic progress and purified oneself in this life, one will incarnate into a very fortunate human life in which one will have great intelligence, family, general fortunate conditions, and excellent capacity and opportunity to attain full mastry in that lifetime leading to complete liberation.

through knowledge comes conduct
through conduct comes karma,
through karma comes liberation,
through liberation comes deliverance from worlds of suffering

cantSEEme · 05-27-2008, 03:47 AM

ok, all this ... vvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

ultimately the cycle of karma is mystical and beyond mere mental comprehension, the idea is to get a basic understanding and master karma through practical action/living. the best source, and original source to study about karma is through researching jainism. they have evolved a whole simple basic science on the matter.

the idea of karma is that our actions cause reactions and come back to us in life. there are different kinds of karma. when the reactions come back to us it has been called the 'fruits' of our actions, or the ripening of our karma. the action that caused that reaction is called the seed.

some karma comes back to us very quickly...in this life...called instant karma. some comes back to us at a later time in this life. some karma comes back to us fully in our next life, determining what kind of form, condition, circumstances, and world we inhabit in the vast universe. in general karma has an overall effect that tends to help us learn and advance by reflecting /mirroring our life in our experience.

an important point about karma is that we are in control of our own life and destiny and experience. it is our responsibility to navigate our own path and future through acting consciously, compassionately, and in awareness of karma.

there is an aspect of karma as universal teacher and universal justice. the great spirit of life is conscious and without ill will toward any, but one with all. the action of karma suggests an omniscient awareness that connects all things and beings in the universe and nature. there is an aspect of parenthood and righteousness in the universe that guides beings toward perfection, compassion, maturity, and righteousness. often the best thing to learn is getting a taste of your own medicine.

to one karmically aware, that would never be an option, because one would be consciously scheduling oneself for the same type of slaughter in the future by the accruing karma.

The material body that we have now is conditioned by suffering and impermanence. our true self is not this material body, but our eternal soul. if one dies in austerity or starvation after doing good karma, no karma, and/or becoming purified one will ascend to nicer more heavenly worlds and forms, circumstances and conditions of life in more subtle energetic forms in pleasant loving and pure association.

If one engages in all kinds of violence and killing, causing other beings suffering etc just to sustain or pamper the body, then there is no real benefit, because the body is impermanent, the consciousness will be lowered, one will receive bad fortune eventually in life and descend to lower worlds and forms, conditions and circumstances that are dense, incarnate, prone to the same sufferings and violence that one committed in previous life, in troublesome unsafe and unfortunate association.

so it is to be understood that there are various grades and conditions of life into which one can be born into our human world. there are also many other kinds of earthly beings one can be born into, according to karma, including animals, insects, and others. it should also be understood that there are much higher and nicer worlds of life where we can reside with like beings. there are also more troublesome, dark, cold and difficult worlds in the vast universe, and in each of them there are various kinds and forms of can send us to such worlds where we will experience the ful effects of our own karma committed toward other beings.

karma represents the slow and methodical workings of a vast and conscious, righteous universe and great spirit. there is a great equality among all living entities, a great justice, and a connection of oneness among all life. the master, having purified one's soul, attained enlightenment and universal collective consciousness, can navigate with excellent karma and deep insight...this vision comes with time and practice. the master becomes liberated from the body even in this life and can astrally navigate the vast worlds and encounter all sorts of awesome planets, peoples, and beings including those in darkness, suffering, heavenly worlds, and strange and artistic places of amazing beauty. in the higher worlds one encounters such amazing dynasties of enlightened and kind beings, such fun and creative pastimes, and subtle worlds where nature itself makes life effortless, pleasant, and fun-centered. Here friendship, love, and a campy, celebratory mood dominates. beings dont have the same gross material bodies that are subject to pain, disease, aging etc. things are changeable, mind-made, and all kinds of dreamlike miraculous things of the imagination are possible.

= YOUR opinions on YOUR beliefs

this quote, taken from that paragraph of propoganda, sums ups your actual response...vvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

i dont think killing a cow would be good karma in any circumstance. death and starvation are not to be feared as much as violence, killing, and poisoning our own soul with such actions.

that is terrible. your karma is terrible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

feeding children with that would not be a help to them, because it would lower their consciousness, pollute them spiritually, and give them bad karma as well.

and thats just pathetic.

edit: and STOP editing your posts AFTER youve been quoted. makes you more of a douche, if thats possible

Vik*star* · 05-27-2008, 04:47 AM

I do think this thread should be closed up. It started with Vegetarianism and has gone god knows where.

Bottom Line: Do what you find enjoyable. Eat what you like. Stop propagating and selling your belief to others.

05-26-2008, 12:34 PM	#85 (permalink)
Captain Cannabis safety word: more Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: m.i.a. Posts: 13,849 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 2,915 Times in 1,679 Posts	lots of animals eat their own kind. mostly scavenger type animals obviously not eating meat makes you go totally crazy __________________ fuck the monkeys

05-26-2008, 01:22 PM	#87 (permalink)
Porcelain Oatmeal Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Joe's apartment Posts: 376 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 27 Thanked 31 Times in 27 Posts	The basis of the disagreement on meat eating is simple. If you believe in JVB's karma, perhaps there's little you can do to justify eating living things. However, you can't throw it in someone's face that they're going to have bad karma if they don't believe in it in the first place. I believe the universe balances itself out. If I do something truly bad in this life, something bad may happen to me in return. However, I don't believe that I'm gonna be reincarnated as a slug for eating meat. I just don't. Therfore, aside from the karmic aspect of it...eating meat (or not) is simply a personal choice. If you like it so much that you can't give it up, tough shit for karma. If you can live without it, why not? I've slowly been reducing my meat intake and I haven't had any problems so far. In fact, I'm happy with the physical aspect because I'm losing the thunder thighs lol. What I'm trying to say, in summary, is that you can't scare someone into being a vegan. They either choose to be or they don't but threatening bad karma only makes the argument seem ridiculous and probably reenforces one's choice to continue eating meat. __________________ I'm so good at masturbation, I don't even need sex anymore - The Rev The world will look up and shout "SAVE US!" and I'll look down and whisper, "No..."

05-26-2008, 01:35 PM	#89 (permalink)
Porcelain Oatmeal Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Joe's apartment Posts: 376 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 27 Thanked 31 Times in 27 Posts	I do think global but the thing is, unless you're some kind of a saint who's a level one million vegan and drives a bicycle everywhere, only buys recycleable products, throws out one bag of garbage a year and goes around planting trees...there's really only so much you can do to help the environment in not eating meat. I have a huge issue with the superiority complexes of many vegans I've met in my life. They always make you feel like you're wrong no matter how much you try. I do my best. I try my best to bring reuseable bags to the grocery store, I try my best to recycle, I try my best not to eat meat...and I don't think I (or anyone else who tries) should be made to feel like shit. __________________ I'm so good at masturbation, I don't even need sex anymore - The Rev The world will look up and shout "SAVE US!" and I'll look down and whisper, "No..."

05-26-2008, 06:37 PM	#94 (permalink)
Captain Cannabis safety word: more Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: m.i.a. Posts: 13,849 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 2,915 Times in 1,679 Posts	you really don't think you are being judgmental? judg·men·tal adj. 1. Of, relating to, or dependent on judgment: a judgmental error. 2. Inclined to make judgments, especially moral or personal ones: a marriage counselor who tries not to be judgmental. __________________ fuck the monkeys

05-26-2008, 08:49 PM	#96 (permalink)
Porcelain Oatmeal Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Joe's apartment Posts: 376 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 27 Thanked 31 Times in 27 Posts	pwnt __________________ I'm so good at masturbation, I don't even need sex anymore - The Rev The world will look up and shout "SAVE US!" and I'll look down and whisper, "No..."

05-26-2008, 08:39 AM	#81 (permalink)
Smaerd Guest Posts: n/a	Haha, he's actually nuts because he actually cared whether or not some guy on some random forum would respect him or not haha. Yeah I needed to get my morphine perscription refilled yesterday pretty bad kinda wiggin all over the place, but now I'm cool. Regardless I think everything that needed to be said about vegetarianism is said and done.

05-26-2008, 06:25 PM	#93 (permalink)
~~JainVeganBuddha~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 240 Thanks: 9 Thanked 33 Times in 23 Posts	i dont feel im being judgmental, i can talk about issues and subjects, learn from some things, and think for myself. people get defensive because they are not geared to share info, grow, and learn. people are grumpy, grouchy creatures of habit that dont like to be asked to consider the feelings and well-being of others in their self-gratifying habits and patterns.

05-27-2008, 02:26 AM	#97 (permalink)
Mescalito Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,149 Thanks: 638 Thanked 679 Times in 347 Posts	Haha! So... I have known many people who hold the concept of karma close to their heart go on about things coming back to you.. but really... bad and good are SUBJECTIVE concepts.. so who is to say if you do one thing.. that something equal and opposite would come back at ya...? Or maybe I just don't understand what people are trying to express..? For example.. if I killed a cow and shared it with some starving children.. would I be screwed over later for it? So, JVB.. tell em more about your own views of karma if you would like... M

05-27-2008, 03:33 AM	#98 (permalink)
~~JainVeganBuddha~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 240 Thanks: 9 Thanked 33 Times in 23 Posts	ultimately the cycle of karma is mystical and beyond mere mental comprehension, the idea is to get a basic understanding and master karma through practical action/living. the best source, and original source to study about karma is through researching jainism. they have evolved a whole simple basic science on the matter. the idea of karma is that our actions cause reactions and come back to us in life. there are different kinds of karma. when the reactions come back to us it has been called the 'fruits' of our actions, or the ripening of our karma. the action that caused that reaction is called the seed. some karma comes back to us very quickly...in this life...called instant karma. some comes back to us at a later time in this life. some karma comes back to us fully in our next life, determining what kind of form, condition, circumstances, and world we inhabit in the vast universe. in general karma has an overall effect that tends to help us learn and advance by reflecting /mirroring our life in our experience. an important point about karma is that we are in control of our own life and destiny and experience. it is our responsibility to navigate our own path and future through acting consciously, compassionately, and in awareness of karma. there is an aspect of karma as universal teacher and universal justice. the great spirit of life is conscious and without ill will toward any, but one with all. the action of karma suggests an omniscient awareness that connects all things and beings in the universe and nature. there is an aspect of parenthood and righteousness in the universe that guides beings toward perfection, compassion, maturity, and righteousness. often the best thing to learn is getting a taste of our own medicine--our own reactions. i dont think killing a cow would be good karma in any circumstance. death and starvation are not to be feared as much as violence, killing, and poisoning our own soul with such actions. to one karmically aware, that would never be an option, because one would be consciously scheduling oneself for the same type of slaughter in the future by the accruing karma. feeding children with that would not be a help to them, because it would lower their consciousness, pollute them spiritually, and give them bad karma as well. The material body that we have now is conditioned by suffering and impermanence. our true self is not this material body, but our eternal soul. if one dies in austerity or starvation after doing good karma, no karma, and/or becoming purified one will ascend to nicer more heavenly worlds and forms, circumstances and conditions of life in more subtle energetic forms in pleasant loving and pure association. If one engages in all kinds of violence and killing, causing other beings suffering etc just to sustain or pamper the body, then there is no real benefit, because the body is impermanent, the consciousness will be lowered, one will receive bad fortune eventually in life and descend to lower worlds and forms, conditions and circumstances that are dense, incarnate, prone to the same sufferings and violence that one committed in previous life, in troublesome unsafe and unfortunate association. so it is to be understood that there are various grades and conditions of life into which one can be born/incarnate into in our human world. there are also many other kinds of earthly beings one can be born into, according to karma, including animals, insects, and others. it should also be understood that there are much higher and nicer worlds of life where we can reside with heavenly beings. there are also more troublesome, dark, cold and difficult worlds in the vast universe, and in each of them there are various kinds and forms of beings. Our own karma and conscious decisions can send us to such worlds where we can/will experience the full effects of our own karma committed toward other beings. karma represents the slow and methodical workings of a vast and conscious, righteous universe and great spirit. there is a great equality among all living entities, a great justice, and a connection of oneness among all life. the master, having purified one's soul, attained enlightenment and universal collective consciousness, can navigate with excellent karma and deep insight...this vision comes with time and practice. the master becomes liberated from the body even in this life and can astrally navigate the vast worlds and encounter all sorts of awesome planets, peoples, and beings including those in darkness, suffering, heavenly worlds, and strange and artistic places of amazing beauty. in the higher worlds one encounters such amazing dynasties of enlightened and kind beings, such fun and creative pastimes, and subtle worlds where nature itself makes life effortless, pleasant, and fun-centered. Ther is a clarity and a stillness and a majesty there that is both humbling and makes one not want to leave. Here friendship, love, and a 'campy', celebratory mood dominates. beings dont have the same gross material bodies that are subject to pain, disease, aging etc. things are changeable, mind-made, and all kinds of dreamlike miraculous things of the imagination are possible. when the liberated master departs this life, one will not incarnate again into another gross material form. when one who has made great karmic progress and purified oneself in this life, one will incarnate into a very fortunate human life in which one will have great intelligence, family, general fortunate conditions, and excellent capacity and opportunity to attain full mastry in that lifetime leading to complete liberation. through knowledge comes conduct through conduct comes karma, through karma comes liberation, through liberation comes deliverance from worlds of suffering Last edited by JainVeganBuddha; 05-27-2008 at 03:46 AM.

05-27-2008, 04:47 AM	#100 (permalink)
Vikstar YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Auckland Posts: 160 Thanks: 27 Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts	I do think this thread should be closed up. It started with Vegetarianism and has gone god knows where. Bottom Line: Do what you find enjoyable. Eat what you like. Stop propagating and selling your belief to others.

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