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^making me want to eat more and more meat, and kill more and more helpless creatures for sheer delight

in fact, im going to go sacrifice some ants to JVB right now. just remember, these ants would be alive if it wasnt for you and your pompous self righteous attitude. theres some karma for ya

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JainVeganBuddha

lol...why ants?? seems kinda cowardly...why not go find a bear or mountain lion and battle him with a stick or somethin? goin after little ants...youre a big tough macho man eh??

no thats more karma for you bro!

Mescalito

It is funny how you stumble across things just after speaking about them..

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What is karma?

Also I could quite happily keep some ducks or chickens as pets for a long time and show the love.. but then one day when it was least expecting it.. BAM! Then i could show the love to my family in the form of a delicious roast duck. All that loving has to make it extra crisp also. I agree JVB.. show the love!

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Mescalito

I would like to add that I think the most important aspect of karma is the concept of interconnectedness. To me its not a matter of doing something good brings back the good.. or visa versa.. its a matter of whatever I do has actions and consequences for the entire universe. Some may view that as a big egotistical, however I think it is merely being aware that we are a part of something greater than what we always perceive to exist.

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JainVeganBuddha

"In a complex world, it's too simplistic to expect that a positive intention will always have a positive outcome as many factors are involved, she says."

you seem to have selectively interpreted this to suit your own purposes. for instance it says "more likely". therefore, i would not accept this interpretation you have put forth. from my wide base of written and personal studies, I would say karmic reactions are influenced but not wholly based on the intentions of the doer. for example, jains (pre-buddhist, pre-hindu) recognize unpleasant karma can come from carelessness, ignorance, or bad actions performed with good logic or intentions behind them.

i use this rule. what do you think: just switch places with the other being(s) whom your actions are affecting. is this something you would like to happen to you. would it be pleasant or painful. when you take any being's life with the shallow motive of having a meal or two or ten, then defecating them out, all kinds of stress, pain and suffering comes over it....same as if it happened to you. the animal struggles, feels pain, worries for its family, feels separation and stress, fear, struggles. the friends and family of that animal will also worry and be upset. they have lost that being for their whole life.

then there is the suffering of domesticating and imprisoning animals their whole life, separating and manipulating them, cutting off horns, castration....the list goes on in what happens to them. when we take part in that we get a whole long chain of karma.

Mescalito

Yes.. treat others as you would like them to treat you. I like that concept.

If an animal killed me to eat me.. then it would be tough shit really. When you gotta eat.. you gotta eat. As much as my family/friends would be sad.. and as much pain that i went through.. I could possibly die knowing that my death was not just some road kill.. but the provider of energy to sustain another life! After all the animal is me and I am the animal. The same goes for all life forms. In fact there are fuckers feeding off me right now.. as much as I don't want to think about that.

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Skywarp

edit: To Jain... transference doesn't work like that, it isn't cumlative nor exponential...Your balencing mechanism is a bit off...

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JainVeganBuddha

feeding off you?? you mean parasites or capitalists?

okay then, thats very big of you about getting eaten...i know some vampires im gonna hook you up with. they need to eat too

JainVeganBuddha

care to expand on that?

JainVeganBuddha

agreed. i know we are all a part of the great spirit. just saw that post....

but can you imagine/consider that we are also perhaps evolving collectively and there are possibly other worlds we are flowing/aspiring toward--worlds of a more gentle and nonviolent nature than the Earth...

Mescalito

^Yes but no. I always like to think that we... I... am here for the experience.. whether 'good or bad'. But yes of course I like the idea.

Also... vampires seem to be pretty wasteful... I mean.. they only drink the blood right? I would rather be devoured bones and all. But what occurred to me after I made my last post.. is that either way we (these vessels we inhabit) do become the energy to sustain the life of another organism. If we are buried the mighty fungus and others will consume us and the expensive wooden box. Even if we are cremated.. the carbon will eventually become something edible. Mmmmm charcoaled bbq shirmp, pineapple and pepper kababs.

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XxwhiteowlxX

i was a vegetarian for a good year but i stopped i got unhealthy blahhhh

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SageTree

Literally have almost had this conversation.

I was searching most viewed/replied, this and I saw this thread had alot of good posts, not many one liners. That was a few days ago, and saw Koshiva viewing this morning. Thought it was time to bump it.

I am a vegetarian. But the previous reason is really why I bumped. It nice to reread what you wrote after a while, and this is classic JVB posting.

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