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Old 12-24-2008, 12:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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When has it happened Sage tree ?
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:38 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Me either, he does do good things for people. I'm pretty sure he's donated medi to people which is really an awesome thing I didn't mean for this to be like an assault on anyone either, it's just so frusterating how many people in this world would rather be caught up in a mess than just live their lives in a fulfilling manner.

But we all know money can't buy happiness, because money can only by things, and deeds. And those are temporary.

Let's put it this way adeaman there are monks currently that will only eat apples that fall from trees. The native americans, tribes of poor countries. Yeah they don't have money, but they value life. That's what I am aspiring to do. No one ever faught for the shaman position in a tribe and no one ever thought a hunter was more valuable then a mother in native american tribes. They are equally key to a society.

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When has it happened Sage tree ?
The first thing that comes to mind are the beautiful Amish communities in which I lived with many good neighbours, and no person went with out home, cloths, food or school. Many of these people lived below the poverty line technically. And those who had bounty financed building for others, as well as many projects not attached to the Amish community. They are allowed to make all the money they want, but they also have sharing as part of the norms and mores.

Look up Andrew Carnegie, there is an inspiring man. The world is the people in it, so if one person is doing it for another than it IS happening. But perhaps that isn't what you were looking for, as an answer.

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no one ever thought a hunter was more valuable then a mother in native american tribes. They are equally key to a society.
In it's purest form this too is what the caste system of India was set up to be, circa the Laws of Manu. Each person needed the other. The workers needed the soldier for protection of crops, the merchants reached out for trade, and they all needed priests to help them align their thoughts with pure living. Each had a purpose. But as with communism, greed had it's way. This doesn't mean to me that it's not right below our noses in terms or being able to function in a purest form again as a society, or deny that it happens individually today.
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:19 AM   #25 (permalink)
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ive been thinking about startin a little group and just fucking finding this nice place where no ones been before, in the middle of no where, and be able to sustain ourselves. I think it would be a great idea, but at the same time, we were all raised in this selfish, greedy, self absorbed world, where you are taught that no one but you matters. Im scared that no matter how much i want to be able to live that way, with my closest friends, more my family, by ourselves it would never work. Has anyone ever read/watched 'the beach'? im scared that would happen.
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In it's purest form this too is what the caste system of India was set up to be, circa the Laws of Manu. Each person needed the other. The workers needed the soldier for protection of crops, the merchants reached out for trade, and they all needed priests to help them align their thoughts with pure living. Each had a purpose. But as with communism, greed had it's way.
Unfortunately the caste system is one of the most repressive social constructs existing in the world today.

Communism was supposed to eliminate unhealthy competition. It didn`t work, instead people just ended up competing for position and privilege while capitalist competition was stifled which in turn led to depressed economies even more corrupt than the one we have now.

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I do enjoy the idea of Capitalism, however we don't live in a capitalistic society by any means(check out our taxes). What I'm trying to say here is we're all so distracted by the bullshit in life that doesn't matter just the shit that makes us feel good even for just a moment.
Absolutely, many have been tricked into competing for worthless tokens. What would happen if we were competing to achieve worthwhile results for our own benefit and everyone else's?
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Unfortunately the caste system is one of the most repressive social constructs existing in the world today.

Communism was supposed to eliminate unhealthy competition. It didn`t work, instead people just ended up competing for position and privilege while capitalist competition was stifled which in turn led to depressed economies even more corrupt than the one we have now.
So true how virtuous ideal concepts get so distorted and robbed of their inherant good intetions.

It interests me how Christianity and Socialism walked hand in hand in early American history. And even how Communism while not readily accepted, made sense to many people of Afghanastan, due to the social codes found in the Qur'an.

It makes me think of a statement made about the appearance of the 4 gospels, if the social action was cut out line by line. But look to at all the ways people use that doctrine, focused on a few lines, to divide masses against others.

I don't think that it makes these ideals irrelevant, that they've been used for negative action, but rather inspires me to bring a truer breath back from these and help people find a new way to understand ancient pure intention.

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Old 12-25-2008, 02:46 PM   #28 (permalink)
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FarmerGiles, to be 100% honest I'm not sure of the outcome of a society living like that. I honestly would imagine myself very happy.

Everytime I look through my car window at the people stationary in their cars, all I see is frowns or blank stares. I bet if the country was more of a community than a "I gotta get mine", everyone would be more approachable.

We wonder why 50% of our marriages fail? We wonder why the kids all click up in school systems. Our diversity is good but our unhealthy competitive nature destroys the benefits of our differences. Which is why I believe we are still stuck within the Christian idealistic laws, and morals. Why else is every store closed on Christmass and Easter but not for the length of hanukkah? Religious freedom my booty.

We can't even communicate within our society anymore. People believe their votes don't count, I believe that commonly has to do with feeling astranged from society. Subconsciously that person feels like they cannot fit into the masses so much that an anonymous vote isn't worth their time. A sign of a lost faith in their relationship in the network of America. Like a beaten dog, it just learns to not ask to be pet through repetition.

Increase the equality of man I think a lot of great things would happen more than better marriages, neighbors being family not envious enemies, more personal freedom and understanding, less need for control, less crime, more rehabilitation less punishment, what else does a big melting-pot of a family(America) need? Certainly not more segregation.

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