SageTree

So I just want to through this out there. I'm not the Deepak fanclub president, but I generally appriciate what he has to say.

This I thought would be nice, based on a want to share another view of Jesus. Sometimes we get locked into what we've been told or won't change out ideas one iota. Just a friendly reminder there is more than one opinion out side Westernized culture.

The 3rd Jesus is about the Jesus as a consciousness. To me this is very close to the reasoning and how I feel I came to understand better my birth religion.



Loving Kindness.
SageTree

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Bump, lots of talking in the jesus died for our sins thread....let this shed a different opinion than orthadox concepts in the conversation.

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Good stuff


really good, thumbs up deeppackage

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SageTree

I really like his glasses most of all. You know you got some cred. if you can wear those and still have alot of people take you seriously.

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JcP

I really like deepak. good video too and he touches on the definition of "I" which, to me, is the key to ending all this back and forth over religious arguments.

I'm gonna pick up that book too...sounds pretty interesting.

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SageTree

If you like his deff of 'I',I'd like to add that he is steeped in Vedanta, a branch of Hinduism, in which the is lovely verse talking about knowing the 'Self' and what that means.

This is from the 'Texts' sticky in this forum, however this particular is Hinduism, just click Vedanta. Hope you enjoy, if you decided to read. And am happy about and agree with your conclusions on Chopra's words on 'I'.

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JcP

I have tried to get into hinduist texts...but the only eastern religious traditions that seem to be accessable to my mindset are zen and shintoism.

I think my vocabulary (both spiritual and intellectual) isn't invested in the "spiritual dialect" of Hinduism.

If it's similar to what Deepak is saying here, I imagine it's similar to the "I" in zen...

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They think they'll be happy when they've settled their scores...
Let's lay down our weapons
and hold us apart
be still for just a minute
try to open our hearts
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Originally Posted by The Rev It's not what you see, it's that you're looking.

SageTree

Yea for sure you are correct on the I factor. However the Hindu concept has Atman(Self) which is sanskrit, and The Buddhists have Anatman, with is (Non-Self). For the Buddhism I study it generally okay for me to have the Sanskrit connection. I feel these two ideas are explained very differently, as Buddhism itself is a response to Hindu traditions, but I feel Hindus still talk about the Allness of the soul and its connection to the universe. I Buddhism it seems more like a non-issue and is explained as Emptiness, as in everything is the same (All) and our conceptions of Labling are the Empty discriptions because of dependant origonation, where everything is only perceived as a thing because of something else in relation to it. The non-issueness come into play because of the 'we are going to die, lets just get to the core of living this illusionary existence and what we are, knowing words are just feeble discriptive terms so we can talk about it." I feel for a broad broad usage, this peace or mindfullness would be a God of sorts, in the Verb tense of Ideal Living, those are my words.
The Hindu "I", is explained as a part of an Intageable God that we can know but not attribute Ultimatly, with words. However we are able to get deeply intouch with our own piece and this leads to seeing that in All. So this to me means like realizing that you aren't really you and that seems like a disolving into an emptiness of its own.
On this point I feel that is where the over lap is. Disolving our preconceptions of "Is-ness" Buddhism really cuts to the aesetic core of knowing the Highest of the Highnesses, Hindu or otherwise, and seeking not to become attached to that words and concepts we have about that Deep level of Living. Hinduism allows space for that understanding of Oneness as well as the Ulitmate goal of understanding, but scripturally speaking its more deffinative in it language, even though its taught in Upanishad like language that God is constantly being described in UnKnowable Knowables, which is alittle close to says this IS something vs trying to say something about a thing by NOT saying what it IS.

I think that Zen as a branch of Buddhism could be interchanged in this post, but its fair to say they aren't in Sanskrit although the ideas generally are the same. Granted there are alot of ways different branches get to that same point.

Blah, sorry for the long wind But I just got my talk on about this, I really like to see the crossover in a cultures religion. You can know alot about history socially by looking at the problems movements tried to solve. Much like the protestant revalution in Europe from the 16th century onward. But comparing this movement to that movement is a whole other post, so I'm jamming on the breaks for now.

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lol I read that 3 times and it still confuses me. I don't know why words like sanskrit and upanishad and stuff makes my brain go fuzzy but when I read them I do!

As for the no-self/self thing tho, that part I did get. In my opinion, they are both talking about the same state of consciousness, just through different lenses.

"no self" is still a state of being which is the removal of the singular ego and recognizing the "full emptyness" of all things. That the thing you think of as "I" is everything, and everything is nothing (full, beautiful, nothing). "self" seems to be a state of being which is the removal of the singular ego and recognizing the "fullness" in all things, even emtpyness. That the thing you think of as "I" is nothing, and that nothing makes "I" everything (full, beautiful, everything).

to me, it sounds like two people looking at a glass of water and one person says it's 1/2 full and the other says it's 1/2 empty.

anyway, I want a pair of red glitter glasses....might make me too elton john tho...don't know if I can pull it off.

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Just look out around us, people fightin their wars...
They think they'll be happy when they've settled their scores...
Let's lay down our weapons
and hold us apart
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Originally Posted by The Rev It's not what you see, it's that you're looking.

verklingen

thanks sage that was a good interview

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SageTree

Bratha! glad you liked it.

I really am intersted to read it, although I have WAY to many books going now. This is the curse of the Library, I can read 3 400 page books in 3 weeks, sure!.....I don'tget through non-fiction that easy.

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He says he wears those kinds of glasses so people pay attention to him while he's giving his talks.

I really enjoy Deepak's interpretations on things. He's kind of a maverick compared to traditional talks of the spiritual concepts he addresses. Along with Wilber.

Excited to read Jesus, I gotta get on that. Deepak's writing style is very pleasurable.

Thanks for posting Sage

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I really liked the 7 spiritual laws of yoga. Really helped me along with focus and intent of stretches/meditation.

His language still incorperates alot of termanology, which really helps me grasp concepts deeply, with in spirtual texts I read. He makes it simple without boiling it down, for him I like this.

Glad you all enjoy the post. I hope you get much value from your explorations.

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This statement registered with me...

Deepak: "Salvation means freedom. And Freedom from what? From our conditioned ways of thinking."

"Repent", as expressed by Jesus, means to "think differently" (from the conditioned thinking of the scribes and pharisees).