Ancient Astronaut Theory

Kishar · 03-10-2009, 09:58 AM

I feel it's time we discuss this in detail. I find this subject extremely fascinating.

Could mankind have been more advanced in technology than we are today only to be wiped out by some type of cataclysmic event erasing all of our history except the most massive of structures?

We are told to believe that "primitive" man was able to move and manipulate stones some weighing up to 1000 tons so prefectly that you cannot fit a razor blade in between the joints. pfft yea right! We cant do that even today with enormous cranes.

Puma Punku: World Mysteries - Mystic Places - Puma Punku and Tiwanaku [Tiahuanaco] or

YouTube - Puma Punku

Nazca....The Great Pyramid....Tiahuanac o...Easter Island

All these places have enormouse stone carvings of humanoid figures which all bear an eery resemblence. Why? I didnt think we could cross oceans 5000 years ago or more so whay do all these cultures worship these weird looking structures. Is it because we were once visited by aliens who looked like the figures?

Another theory I thought of is maybe eons ago Earth had a lot less gravity than today and were were able to manipulate these big rocks unlike we can today.

I hope 2012 gives us the answers to the mysteries...you never know.

Qui-Bong Jinn · 03-10-2009, 05:40 PM

Thats because they did not lift or move or do anything to 1000 ton rocks. And what makes the granite blocks (not saying everything is made of granite) used in the Great Pyramid so much more able to survive a cataclysmic event then granite blocks used in the costruction of other less great structures? And I wouldn't doubt the fact that the slaves that built these structures were not killed (or punished greatly atleast) if they fucked up. I don't know about you, but if I was gonna get killed for fucking up, I'd work my ass off to make whatever I'm making as presise as possible.

Lord X · 03-10-2009, 07:24 PM

It would have been almost inhuman to move a rock that large that far. For Easter Island the only place that that rock is found is like three hundred miles away. Same with Stonehenge.

Geeno · 03-10-2009, 08:27 PM

yeah people in india used massive dirt ramps + log rollers + elephants to build their stuff. Came out pretty perfect too.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 03-11-2009, 12:34 AM

^ maybe that's what the crafty indians want you to believe...

scam?

Dozer McDozer · 03-11-2009, 02:09 AM

i think if you gonna say aliens helped you would be talking more like 12000-6000 years ago.

i saw something about egyptians having a light.

and the most cataclysmic event was the volcano of santarini or whatever. that was bout 1500 bc i think.

Waves · 03-11-2009, 03:05 PM

The Secrets of Coral Castle

Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida, is one of the most amazing structures ever built. In terms of accomplishment, it's been compared to Stonehenge, ancient Greek temples, and even the great pyramids of Egypt. It is amazing - some even say miraculous - because it was quarried, fashioned, transported, and constructed by one man: Edward Leedskalnin, a 5-ft. tall, 100-lb. Latvian immigrant.

Many men have single-handedly built their own homes, but Leedskalnin's choice of building materials is what makes his undertaking so incredible. He used huge blocks of coral rock, some weighing as much as 30 tons, and somehow was able to move them and set them in place without assistance or the use of modern machinery. And therein lies the mystery. How did he do it?

It's estimated that 1,000 tons of coral rock were used in construction of the walls and towers, and an additional 100 tons of it were carved into furniture and art objects:

* An obelisk he raised weighs 28 tons.
* The wall surrounding Coral Castle stands 8 ft. tall and consists of large blocks each weighing several tons.
* Large stone crescents are perched atop 20-ft.-high walls.
* A 9-ton swinging gate that moves at the touch of a finger guards the eastern wall.
* The largest rock on the property weighs an estimated 35 tons.
* Some stones are twice the weight of the largest blocks in the Great Pyramid at Giza.

The Theories

* One story says that some curious neighbors did see how Leedskalnin moved the stones. They say he placed his hands on the stone to be lifted... and sang. Somehow this levitated the great rocks.
* According to an article in Fate magazine, "some teenagers spying on him one evening claimed they saw him 'float coral blocks through the air like hydrogen balloons,' but no one took them seriously."
* Frank Joseph, in the Fate magazine article, also writes, "Alternative science investigators suggest that Leedskalnin somehow learned the secret of the 'world grid,' an invisible pattern of energy lines surrounding the Earth which concentrates points of telluric power where they intersect. It was here, at one of these intersections of Earth energy, that he was supposedly able to move his prodigious stone blocks using the unseen power of our planet." Yet that still does no explain how Leedskalnin was able to tap this power, and others cannot.
* Coral Castle quotes J. Cathie, a captain flying with National Airways Corp. of New Zealand, as saying: "Measurements from the Coral Castle position to the zero-degree and 90-degree longitude lines, when they passed through the equator, also yielded harmonics related to light and gravity. The final check of the distance between Coral Castle and grid pole A in the north, dispelled any doubt about the site being in an ideal position to allow Leedskalnin to erect the huge blocks of coral with relative ease. Measurements from all major points gave the geometric harmonics necessary for the manipulation of anti-gravity." Cathie also believes that this energy grid is also responsible for many UFO sightings.
* In an article by called "The Coral Castle Mystery" in Atlantis Rising, author Christopher Dunn asserts: "What if there's no such thing as gravity? And the natural forces we already know about are sufficient to explain the noted phenomena we have labeled as gravity? Perhaps Leedskalnin's means of working with the Earth's gravitational pull was nothing more complicated than devising a means by which the alignment of magnetic elements within his coral blocks was adjusted to face the streams of individual magnets he claims are issuing forth from the Earth with a like repelling pole."
* When he was personally asked how he managed the feat, Leedskalnin replied only that he understood the laws of weight and leverage. He is quoted as saying, "I have discovered the secrets of the pyramids. I have found out how the Egyptians and the ancient builders in Peru, Yucatan, and Asia, with only primitive tools, raised and set in place blocks of stone weighing many tons."
* According the The Enigma of Coral Castle, "Ed flatly disagreed with modern science, and claimed that the scientists were wrong, 'that nature is simple.' He believed all matter consisted of individual magnets, and it is the movement of these magnets within materials, and through space, that produce measurable phenomena, magnetism, and electricity. These concepts 'involved the relationship of the Earth to celestial alignments.' He claimed to see beads of light which he believed to be the physical presence of nature's magnetism and life force, or what we term today, chi."

Was Leedskalnin being deceptive when he talked about magnetism and electricity, trying to make his accomplishment more mystical and mysterious than it actually was? Had he merely found a very clever way to manipulate the great stones with levers and pulleys? We may never know the answer. Leedskalnin took his secrets with him to his grave in 1951... secrets that await to be rediscovered.

pictures- coral castle - Google Image Search

Now if one guy can build that then im sure a bunch of people can build stuff like puma punku. what the mystery is is how they did it. they had reed boats. not barges.

people act all authoritive but we still have no idea how these people built these structures. we dont know how stonehenge was made, we dont know how the pyramids were made, etc etc. im not saying i know, but i keep an open mind. i dont think it was aliens but i do think people in the past have been much craftier than we give them credit.

stuff like this gives credit to the theory that past technology could have been much more advanced than we theorize:

The UnMuseum - Bagdad Battery

kamikazi89 · 03-15-2009, 10:32 PM

magnets, i'm not so sure about that

**Kompressor** · 03-18-2009, 10:51 AM

Read this, goes into exactly this topic, even if it is from the 70s. May also want to check this out:

As for the pyramids, historical records suggest that the great pyramid took roughly 20 years to build, but given the sheer number of stones mathematically they would had to mine, cut, and place a stone every nine minutes.

That's a pretty incredulous feat, which suggests that either they had some knowledge/intervention we cannot currently duplicate, or at the very least it took skilled workers, not slaves, to create the world wonder. Slaves building the pyramids is becoming more myth than fact nowadays anyway.

Egyptian lightbulbs are depicted on the second book cover, and were have thought to existed because there is no smoke residue on the ceilings of even the deepest parts of the pyramid, and mirror lights couldn't reach that far in either. Yet somehow they were still able to cut and write along the walls.

Kishar · 03-23-2009, 09:50 PM

I just have a hard time believing the ancients used logs to roll these megalithic structures. I mean if a stone weighed 500 tons the logs will sink into the ground especially in sand if were talking Egypt.
And if they used the ramp method the ramp would have to be over 2 miles long!

In some instances they had to lower the blocks into place. How you do that? pullies and levers and hemp rope? I doubt it.
Check out the interlocking blocks at Puma Punku in the Highlands of Bolivia. The only way to carve those stones was with diamond tipped tools because the rock is so hard. What technology did these "primitive" ( because remember, Puma Punku is estimated to be over 17,000 years old!) peoples have to create diamond tipped saw blades or chisles.

The fairytales in the Holy Bible just dont make sense to me. But I do believe that the Bible has a lot of good morals to live by.

This Ancient Astronaut Theory is the most plausable explanation in my mind But I have other theories myself too.

kamikazi89 · 03-24-2009, 07:58 AM

don't discount the value of slave labour

Kishar · 03-30-2009, 12:13 PM

More proof they have been here the whole time.

YouTube - UFO over Chicago O'Hare airport (2007.01.01)

UFO Examiner: O'Hare UFO video surfaces on Youtube

Qui-Bong Jinn · 03-30-2009, 04:05 PM

Kishar they didn't use 500 ton blocks, the biggest block used in the pyramid was 80 somethings tons.
http://www.guardians.net/egypt/gp1.htm
thats where I found this out.

GanjaPlease · 03-30-2009, 06:52 PM

Trust me, 20 years of doing something and I would be pretty skilled at it too.
Slaves would have been the best skilled workers at the time because of the Foremen watching over them.

Kishar · 04-01-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Stoner Kid

Kishar they didn't use 500 ton blocks, the biggest block used in the pyramid was 80 somethings tons.
Guardian's Giza - The Great Pyramid
thats where I found this out.

Thats only 160,000 pounds no sweat, huh?

Watch how they build aircraft carriers and what it takes to move and lift 80 tons of steel. They dont use a five mile long chain of people and elephants.

the perfection of the joints at some of these places is amazing. for instance if you set a 50 ton stone in your foundation and it wasnt perfectly square you going to "wiggle" a 100,000 pound block of granite in place? No.

There is something were missing i think. I think a big part of our ancient history has been lost for many many thousands of years.

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 04-01-2009, 09:41 AM

If you've never heard of baalbeck lebanon, I highly suggest you look into that ASAP.

They moved giant pieces of lime stone that would even be hard to move with todays technology.

I mean honest to god, how the fuck would you do that with ancient technology???

Not to mention the nearest limestone quary is a 1/4 mile from that biggest stone^

edit: there's people in the first picture, just look for them

GanjaPlease · 04-01-2009, 02:20 PM

people really underestimate ancient intelligence, they may not have had the technology to make things easier but that is exactly why we can't figure out how they did it. Some of the most intelligent people lived in these times. It wouldn't be difficult for the architects to also plan a way to move a large stone, their measurements were precise, they had skilled workers and the greatest minds in the world to help design ways to move these huge rocks. With the right amount of leverage anything can be moved with ease.

and the other difference from then and now is motivation. Now we are motivated by money, back then the workers were motivated by their lives and their family's lives and I have to say that if my life is threatened I would make sure I didn't screw up.

Canuck Wisdom · 04-01-2009, 03:51 PM

And motivation by splendor. Imagine if you had been asked to be a part of some great project. You'd be given lodging for you and your family and food and clothes, and you get to apply your personal skills to a project of great wonder, which today might be something like, a moon base, or feeding the world.

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 04-01-2009, 08:58 PM

what about this??

Quote:

The most perplexing thing I saw in Egypt was in Osiris’s Temple at Abydos—hieroglyphs near the ceiling that depict modern modes of transportation: what looks like a helicopter, a submarine, and an airplane. Our Egyptologist scholar/guide told us these were carved from sandstone several thousand years ago, but that no one knows what they mean, nor have similar symbols been discovered anywhere else on ancient Egyptian artifacts. Some experts dismiss them as the result of new carvings over old carvings—the old hieroglyphs combined with new hieroglyphs laid over the top, plus erosion, inadvertently formed what appears to be symbols of modern technology. I’m a hard-nosed skeptic in all matters supernatural, but this explanation is difficult to swallow.

Mystery at Abydos | Slog | The Stranger | Seattle's Only Newspaper

The helicopter at the top left, yatch on the top right, submarine on the middle right and airplane is bottom right.

Dozer McDozer · 04-01-2009, 10:26 PM

i wonder what the hieroglyphs say though. perhaps a man then had a vision of our time.

03-10-2009, 07:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lord X YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 123 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 12 Posts	It would have been almost inhuman to move a rock that large that far. For Easter Island the only place that that rock is found is like three hundred miles away. Same with Stonehenge. __________________ Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	^ maybe that's what the crafty indians want you to believe... scam? __________________

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Dozer McDozer YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 772 Thanks: 158 Thanked 86 Times in 77 Posts	i think if you gonna say aliens helped you would be talking more like 12000-6000 years ago. i saw something about egyptians having a light. and the most cataclysmic event was the volcano of santarini or whatever. that was bout 1500 bc i think. __________________ Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein Properly trained, man can be a dog's best friend - i'll get his name once i get book back

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Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,475 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,021 Times in 2,219 Posts	The Secrets of Coral Castle Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida, is one of the most amazing structures ever built. In terms of accomplishment, it's been compared to Stonehenge, ancient Greek temples, and even the great pyramids of Egypt. It is amazing - some even say miraculous - because it was quarried, fashioned, transported, and constructed by one man: Edward Leedskalnin, a 5-ft. tall, 100-lb. Latvian immigrant. Many men have single-handedly built their own homes, but Leedskalnin's choice of building materials is what makes his undertaking so incredible. He used huge blocks of coral rock, some weighing as much as 30 tons, and somehow was able to move them and set them in place without assistance or the use of modern machinery. And therein lies the mystery. How did he do it? It's estimated that 1,000 tons of coral rock were used in construction of the walls and towers, and an additional 100 tons of it were carved into furniture and art objects: * An obelisk he raised weighs 28 tons. * The wall surrounding Coral Castle stands 8 ft. tall and consists of large blocks each weighing several tons. * Large stone crescents are perched atop 20-ft.-high walls. * A 9-ton swinging gate that moves at the touch of a finger guards the eastern wall. * The largest rock on the property weighs an estimated 35 tons. * Some stones are twice the weight of the largest blocks in the Great Pyramid at Giza. The Theories * One story says that some curious neighbors did see how Leedskalnin moved the stones. They say he placed his hands on the stone to be lifted... and sang. Somehow this levitated the great rocks. * According to an article in Fate magazine, "some teenagers spying on him one evening claimed they saw him 'float coral blocks through the air like hydrogen balloons,' but no one took them seriously." * Frank Joseph, in the Fate magazine article, also writes, "Alternative science investigators suggest that Leedskalnin somehow learned the secret of the 'world grid,' an invisible pattern of energy lines surrounding the Earth which concentrates points of telluric power where they intersect. It was here, at one of these intersections of Earth energy, that he was supposedly able to move his prodigious stone blocks using the unseen power of our planet." Yet that still does no explain how Leedskalnin was able to tap this power, and others cannot. * Coral Castle quotes J. Cathie, a captain flying with National Airways Corp. of New Zealand, as saying: "Measurements from the Coral Castle position to the zero-degree and 90-degree longitude lines, when they passed through the equator, also yielded harmonics related to light and gravity. The final check of the distance between Coral Castle and grid pole A in the north, dispelled any doubt about the site being in an ideal position to allow Leedskalnin to erect the huge blocks of coral with relative ease. Measurements from all major points gave the geometric harmonics necessary for the manipulation of anti-gravity." Cathie also believes that this energy grid is also responsible for many UFO sightings. * In an article by called "The Coral Castle Mystery" in Atlantis Rising, author Christopher Dunn asserts: "What if there's no such thing as gravity? And the natural forces we already know about are sufficient to explain the noted phenomena we have labeled as gravity? Perhaps Leedskalnin's means of working with the Earth's gravitational pull was nothing more complicated than devising a means by which the alignment of magnetic elements within his coral blocks was adjusted to face the streams of individual magnets he claims are issuing forth from the Earth with a like repelling pole." * When he was personally asked how he managed the feat, Leedskalnin replied only that he understood the laws of weight and leverage. He is quoted as saying, "I have discovered the secrets of the pyramids. I have found out how the Egyptians and the ancient builders in Peru, Yucatan, and Asia, with only primitive tools, raised and set in place blocks of stone weighing many tons." * According the The Enigma of Coral Castle, "Ed flatly disagreed with modern science, and claimed that the scientists were wrong, 'that nature is simple.' He believed all matter consisted of individual magnets, and it is the movement of these magnets within materials, and through space, that produce measurable phenomena, magnetism, and electricity. These concepts 'involved the relationship of the Earth to celestial alignments.' He claimed to see beads of light which he believed to be the physical presence of nature's magnetism and life force, or what we term today, chi." Was Leedskalnin being deceptive when he talked about magnetism and electricity, trying to make his accomplishment more mystical and mysterious than it actually was? Had he merely found a very clever way to manipulate the great stones with levers and pulleys? We may never know the answer. Leedskalnin took his secrets with him to his grave in 1951... secrets that await to be rediscovered. pictures- coral castle - Google Image Search Now if one guy can build that then im sure a bunch of people can build stuff like puma punku. what the mystery is is how they did it. they had reed boats. not barges. people act all authoritive but we still have no idea how these people built these structures. we dont know how stonehenge was made, we dont know how the pyramids were made, etc etc. im not saying i know, but i keep an open mind. i dont think it was aliens but i do think people in the past have been much craftier than we give them credit. stuff like this gives credit to the theory that past technology could have been much more advanced than we theorize: The UnMuseum - Bagdad Battery __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow Last edited by Waves; 03-11-2009 at 03:07 PM.

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Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,509 Posts	Read this, goes into exactly this topic, even if it is from the 70s. May also want to check this out: As for the pyramids, historical records suggest that the great pyramid took roughly 20 years to build, but given the sheer number of stones mathematically they would had to mine, cut, and place a stone every nine minutes. That's a pretty incredulous feat, which suggests that either they had some knowledge/intervention we cannot currently duplicate, or at the very least it took skilled workers, not slaves, to create the world wonder. Slaves building the pyramids is becoming more myth than fact nowadays anyway. Egyptian lightbulbs are depicted on the second book cover, and were have thought to existed because there is no smoke residue on the ceilings of even the deepest parts of the pyramid, and mirror lights couldn't reach that far in either. Yet somehow they were still able to cut and write along the walls. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

03-10-2009, 05:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Qui-Bong Jinn Jedi High Council Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 1,885 Thanks: 793 Thanked 385 Times in 294 Posts	Thats because they did not lift or move or do anything to 1000 ton rocks. And what makes the granite blocks (not saying everything is made of granite) used in the Great Pyramid so much more able to survive a cataclysmic event then granite blocks used in the costruction of other less great structures? And I wouldn't doubt the fact that the slaves that built these structures were not killed (or punished greatly atleast) if they fucked up. I don't know about you, but if I was gonna get killed for fucking up, I'd work my ass off to make whatever I'm making as presise as possible.

03-23-2009, 09:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kishar loading user title.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: subcutaneous layer Posts: 2,201 Thanks: 117 Thanked 197 Times in 137 Posts	I just have a hard time believing the ancients used logs to roll these megalithic structures. I mean if a stone weighed 500 tons the logs will sink into the ground especially in sand if were talking Egypt. And if they used the ramp method the ramp would have to be over 2 miles long! In some instances they had to lower the blocks into place. How you do that? pullies and levers and hemp rope? I doubt it. Check out the interlocking blocks at Puma Punku in the Highlands of Bolivia. The only way to carve those stones was with diamond tipped tools because the rock is so hard. What technology did these "primitive" ( because remember, Puma Punku is estimated to be over 17,000 years old!) peoples have to create diamond tipped saw blades or chisles. The fairytales in the Holy Bible just dont make sense to me. But I do believe that the Bible has a lot of good morals to live by. This Ancient Astronaut Theory is the most plausable explanation in my mind But I have other theories myself too. __________________ So, if a stranger walked up to you and poured pebble like seeds into your hand and then said, plant them and your harvest can be made into rope cloth or paper, it could help the sick or intoxicate. What would you say? Would you keep the seeds or chuck them away? RollREDRoll

03-30-2009, 04:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Qui-Bong Jinn Jedi High Council Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 1,885 Thanks: 793 Thanked 385 Times in 294 Posts	Kishar they didn't use 500 ton blocks, the biggest block used in the pyramid was 80 somethings tons. http://www.guardians.net/egypt/gp1.htm thats where I found this out.

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GanjaPlease Stoner Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Trust me, 20 years of doing something and I would be pretty skilled at it too. Slaves would have been the best skilled workers at the time because of the Foremen watching over them.

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~~SpankyMcLankey~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,310 Thanks: 1,748 Thanked 1,063 Times in 703 Posts	If you've never heard of baalbeck lebanon, I highly suggest you look into that ASAP. They moved giant pieces of lime stone that would even be hard to move with todays technology. I mean honest to god, how the fuck would you do that with ancient technology??? Not to mention the nearest limestone quary is a 1/4 mile from that biggest stone^ edit: there's people in the first picture, just look for them Last edited by SpankyMcLankey; 04-01-2009 at 09:44 AM.

04-01-2009, 02:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
GanjaPlease Stoner Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	people really underestimate ancient intelligence, they may not have had the technology to make things easier but that is exactly why we can't figure out how they did it. Some of the most intelligent people lived in these times. It wouldn't be difficult for the architects to also plan a way to move a large stone, their measurements were precise, they had skilled workers and the greatest minds in the world to help design ways to move these huge rocks. With the right amount of leverage anything can be moved with ease. and the other difference from then and now is motivation. Now we are motivated by money, back then the workers were motivated by their lives and their family's lives and I have to say that if my life is threatened I would make sure I didn't screw up.

04-01-2009, 10:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dozer McDozer YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 772 Thanks: 158 Thanked 86 Times in 77 Posts	i wonder what the hieroglyphs say though. perhaps a man then had a vision of our time. __________________ Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein Properly trained, man can be a dog's best friend - i'll get his name once i get book back

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