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Old 03-19-2009, 01:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree with Bill Mahr on many issues, but I think he is a huge douchebag when it comes to religion. I do think that people who are religious zealots are crazed, dangerous, and way out of line. But what makes him any better? My main problem with people who are religion-obsessed is that they can't just live and let live, they have to try and tell everyone else what they should be doing with their own lives. Well guess what, Bill Mahr? Going around attacking people who choose to tap into their spiritual side, acting like you have to be a complete moron who doesn't know any better in order to subscribe to any religion- that is just as intrusive as someone coming up to me and trying to bully me into coming to their church. It's all about accepting each other, regardless of our religious practices or lack thereof. I won't give anyone shit for choosing not to believe in anything, that's their right. However, I don't appreciate people acting like I am an uninformed moron just because I feel like my life is more complete with a little bit of faith sprinkled in.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:27 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think the point Bill was trying to make is that religion is a throwback to the Ancients, and the Big Three have little if anything to do with today's culture and issues (and please don't give me the "love thy neighbor" crap, you don't need God or the Ten Commandments to be a good person) and the fact that organized religion is and always will be flawed because the people who run it are flawed.

What I got from the movie was that religion has caused more harm than good. It would be nice if everyone was quietly spiritual, but most are loud and goddamn obnoxious about it.

Millenia-old books do not have the answers for our lives. Some who read them choose to lie to themselves and believe all this bullshit is not only true, but that to not believe it is a damning offense. Anyone who says I'll burn in hell for not following Allah/Jesus/Yaweh should reread his religious text for the few actual good bits, not the fire and brimstone God hates fags rhetoric.
Nice post Terry. I disagree with some of the generalizations. But way to keep it above board and still expressive.
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Old 03-20-2009, 06:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I, of coarse, agree with Bill 100%.(except regarding his gay curiousness )

The very concept of religion is ridiculous..........

Religulous.

I could have improved on it.

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Old 03-20-2009, 07:34 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Religion isn't ridiculous. It's a matter of context. In the current context, religion is archaic. Thousands of years ago, it was innovative.

So the moral of the story is: life goes on.
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Old 03-20-2009, 07:39 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Main Entry: ri·dic·u·lous
Pronunciation: \rə-ˈdi-kyə-ləs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin ridiculosus (from ridiculum jest, from neuter of ridiculus) or ridiculus, literally, laughable, from ridēre to laugh
Date: 1550
: arousing or deserving ridicule : absurd , preposterous

I rest my case.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:54 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I have definitions too...

Main Entry: relative
1rel·a·tive Listen to the pronunciation of 1relative
Pronunciation:
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1: a word referring grammatically to an antecedent
2: a thing having a relation to or connection with or necessary dependence on another thing
3 a: a person connected with another by blood or affinity b: an animal or plant related to another by common descent
4: a relative term

Main Entry: context
con·text Listen to the pronunciation of context
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Middle English, weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words, coherence, from contexere to weave together, from com- + texere to weave — more at technical
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1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning
2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : environment , setting <the historical context of the war>


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Old 03-22-2009, 08:58 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I personally found this film to be an interesting compilation of a skeptic's interactions with believers. It pushed questions that prove hard to answer without a good amount of faith, which are questions we should always have in mind as humans involved in evolution. The sprinkle of humour made it a satirical spectacle that was engaging to watch.

Now, I am an individual who is not without a great deal of spirituality and faith in my own life..However I do respect the perspective this film offers me to focus on. I provide myself with a good about of reason to harbour belief on a daily basis, however this film allows me to realize that genuine certainty is not yet established at this point in humanity. Things like this film allow me to continually re asses where I stand, which can only exercise and strengthen my own values. As it should with other individuals of any belief system as well. I believe that those who have faith that would surpass reality, it must first withstand reality...which includes skepticism and adversity.


I enjoyed this quote:

"The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big question is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble... And that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just iletin of getting shit dead wrong."


The issue I've been met with a lot lately of: "This person themselves is being disrespectful in how they present their opinions of others, its wrong!" I feel is kind of an unrealistic and hypocritical approach. First of all in simply making such statements, one is in turn telling someone else how they should be and act, which isnt exactly "live and let live". It is also unrealistic because regardless of how one presents their opinion, people will take from it what they will due to personal associations. This whole approach itself shows us how rare it is for an individual to be genuinely and totally receptive/open to any given ideology. There is usually a level of resistance in some way for the most part, even if it is just cross referencing (relativity). The nature of reality and its polarities ensures that we will disagree: which includes methodology! For me, people who push their opinions represent different locations of thought and if I am made aware of these locations, it only means I can be afforded a better chance to be aware of my own location in the grand scheme of things. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate those who quietly and humbly state their opinion. These people represent great strength and control to me. But I will admit, I am a bit selfish in the sense that I want people to show me their beliefs in a convincing way, for my own personal growth.

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