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Old 03-25-2009, 03:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm not a fan of religion as a practice, although the social communities of it all are quite nice.

I do however appreciate many teachings involved in religion. One's in favour particularly; Taoism, Buddhism, Shamanism, Universalism, Neo-Paganism, Spiritualism, and Agnosticism
can you guys actually name some beliefs that you hold religiously and not just the religion that you generally agree with? thanks.
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religious beliefs are just a way to ease mans mind from the unknown. when you face the unknown it's scary so religion helps bridge that gap with fantasies and fairytales. i prefer a more scientific approach with that being said science only takes us so far back and thats where religion and science intertwine. shits beautiful.
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religious beliefs are just a way to ease mans mind from the unknown. when you face the unknown it's scary so religion helps bridge that gap with fantasies and fairytales. i prefer a more scientific approach with that being said science only takes us so far back and thats where religion and science intertwine. shits beautiful.
i was kinda hoping to get into it a little more here:
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritu...ut-theory.html
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can you guys actually name some beliefs that you hold religiously and not just the religion that you generally agree with? thanks.
That's the tricky part for me personally, because I try not to commit to forming or subscribing to any concrete belief systems. Thus the reason I'm not really one for religion.

I suppose in that sense I commit most to Agnosticism. I could tell you something how I like the totality in Taosim, the duality in Buddhism, the healing of Shamanism, the common truths shared in Universalism, the nature in Neo-Paganism and the spirit world within Spiritualism, etc etc. But they really only are just general concepts that I like. The texts are fun to read, and I entertain the possibilities regularly. My imagination is active.

If I had to choose I'd probably say the religion I subscribe to is knowing self, and learning the nature of things around me through life, self and others. Objective observation whilst simply cruising through life. Cruising is probably the most spiritual aspect of it all...experience. Thus I surrender myself to the God called experience.

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jesus summed up my beliefs quite nicely. i consider "these things" to be like tao, the way or principle which will guide you to "the kingdom of god:" life in balance, harmony, peace. "his righteousness" is the willingness to seek honestly and remain receptive to whatever manner the way is unfolding for you. i see this mechanism guiding my life and i'm extremely grateful for having discovered it.
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I'm glad that you feel connected to all these paths.

I just wanted to present my understanding that Duality is Buddhism refers to the Illusion of Duality. Meaning that Non-Duality is the concept in Right Perception. Duality being the 'unfavourable' perception, here.

It's alligned with the teaching on No-Self or Anatman. No-Self in Buddhism is the Non-Duality of Subject and Object, which is very explicitly stated by the Buddha in verses such as “In seeing, there is just seeing. No seer and nothing seen. In hearing, there is just hearing. No hearer and nothing heard.”

Although it worth stating that Non Duality (Ultimate Reality) and honouring the experience of Duality (w/ Compassion) are both Skillfull means, for using cold words to talk about and help people understand Enlightenment of a Being. But are impermanent as well, which means that clinging to understanding via words, will also lead to suffering, via my understanding of the Second Noble Truth, explaining where suffering arises from.

I'd be interested to know if this coinsides with what you where saying, because with alot of Buddhist writing it can tend to be pretty heady with word plays. I'm not try to tell you that you're wrong. I've studied the Dharma a long time and was stired when I saw Duality, looking like a favourable Perception.

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I have an E-library of Buddhist writing posted in here somewhere, Spritual Smoke. I also think there is a web page with lots of intro information, sutta/sutras, meditation talks and audio guided meditations.
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I'm was raised Christian but around ten years ago started searching for "something". If pressed, I would say I am pagan, probably following the Dianic Wiccan philosophies for the most part. what's that? hmmmm... well, I celebrate the goddess....the great mother, queen of earth, heaven and the underworld. I don't consider the goddess an entity separate from myself as she is all things.. As above, so below..I am a Reiki Master and practice spiritual healing, cleansing and grounding daily. A bit of a hodge podge really when I think about it but it works for me..
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I'm glad that you feel connected to all these paths.

I just wanted to present my understanding that Duality is Buddhism refers to the Illusion of Duality. Meaning that Non-Duality is the concept in Right Perception. Duality being the 'unfavourable' perception, here.

It's alligned with the teaching on No-Self or Anatman. No-Self in Buddhism is the Non-Duality of Subject and Object, which is very explicitly stated by the Buddha in verses such as “In seeing, there is just seeing. No seer and nothing seen. In hearing, there is just hearing. No hearer and nothing heard.”

Although it worth stating that Non Duality (Ultimate Reality) and honouring the experience of Duality (w/ Compassion) are both Skillfull means, for using cold words to talk about and help people understand Enlightenment of a Being. But are impermanent as well, which means that clinging to understanding via words, will also lead to suffering, via my understanding of the Second Noble Truth, explaining where suffering arises from.

I'd be interested to know if this coinsides with what you where saying, because with alot of Buddhist writing it can tend to be pretty heady with word plays. I'm not try to tell you that you're wrong. I've studied the Dharma a long time and was stired when I saw Duality, looking like a favourable Perception.

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Haha thanks Sage, I definitely should've said NonDualism rather than Dualism. Lol I forgot the term completely. I was wondering if anyone would come to fix on my one word reductions on very large concepts... and for this reason I was weary of even doing so. It really shows how careful we must be with our relaying of concepts.

To explain that post, the words I attached to each religion are not my understandings nor interpretations of the religions themselves. Obviously if I was to sum my view of them in totality, my post count would be numerous within this thread. Rather, the words I selected in that instance represented their image in the most extreme relative manner. They were also most notably my arbitrary flair or experience with them on a personal level.

I suppose with the use of the word "Duality" I was really attempting to explain how Buddhism makes me mindful to Duality's existence. The reason for this is because I feel Buddhism establishes (especially compared to the theory behind Taoism) to conceptualize and distinguish concepts in a comprehensive manner...All the while not being disunited from one another.

Its interesting just how massive the degree of subjectivity from personal experiences arises in communication.
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My religious beliefs are that organized religion is iffy. And I think subscribing to one alone is foolish. Take what works for you, toss the rest.
However, regarding religion. I'm more into the religion of Myself and Living. I believe in celebrating and worshiping the things we are blessed to have around us. From the people, to the sky. I believe in the natural collective spirit ten thousand times over before I will some God. Truth is I'm under the impression the lot of us all have a little bit of God in us. Why should I have to create one, when there are innumerable around me each and every day.

(I'd be more inclined towards agnosticism before anything else, really. Leaves it all open for personal interpretation, which I'm about.)
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I agree with everything you said, and feel that is a good way to explain what you meant. I study religions and texts and have a tendancy to really look hard at words. Words are a hard way to express how we feel. This is why I wanted to make sure I didn't sound like the theology Nazi.

Hell I like to read talk banter ect....but take a look at my horrible spelling. I have a vocabualary, I'd just fail the test on techincal merit in that regaurd.

I'm glad you have a healthy curiousity and look into the things in your heart and head.

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Haha yeah I can relate, I'm the same. Even worse with grammar though.

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