Self-Induced Insanity

reverie · 03-29-2009, 04:25 PM

Possibility?

Inconceivable?

A name for something else?

What are your thoughts on the act of one inflicting "Insanity" upon their own reality?

Does this thought have to break the mold of conventional psychology in order for it to even be considered?

Grieves · 03-29-2009, 04:29 PM

It's all subjective...diagnos is is only as helpful as the crediblity of the one making it...

reverie · 03-29-2009, 04:32 PM

Cheers

Dr. ShinDig · 03-29-2009, 04:38 PM

Is this like when people think they are possessed by a demon?

I was watching a show about that and you just have to wonder how someone can think they are possessed and act completely insane, and then suddenly be OK after an exorcism. I mean they are Crazy and then through absolutely NO use of any real medicine they are magically better.. I would say that is the definition of self induced insanity. Well, unless you actually believe in such a thing as demonic possession and exorcisms.

Xil · 03-29-2009, 04:43 PM

I dont know if this counts as self induced insanity, but on a long cartrip from NJ to MO with my family, i decided to start an inner dialogue with all the plants and forests we passed by. After a while they actually developed personalities i felt like i was actually talking to them...

while depressed several times i tried to force myself into a break from reality by circular thinking and trying to lay mind traps, thinking that it would make me blissfully ignorant of the world (never worked)

Grieves · 03-29-2009, 04:43 PM

there are things in this world beyond explaination...

edit...response to dr shin dig

to add, Sure we can self anaylize but professional diagnosis of such subjective matters can't be taken to be complete or comprehensive....

this reminds me of the movie the changling...

Dozer McDozer · 03-29-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. ShinDig

Is this like when people think they are possessed by a demon?

I was watching a show about that and you just have to wonder how someone can think they are possessed and act completely insane, and then suddenly be OK after an exorcism. I mean they are Crazy and then through absolutely NO use of any real medicine they are magically better.. I would say that is the definition of self induced insanity. Well, unless you actually believe in such a thing as demonic possession and exorcisms.

except someone possessed may be fully conscious but they are helpless to stop the demon from controlling their body.

Grieves · 03-29-2009, 04:53 PM

thats only true provided that demon possession is in the scope of beliefs of those making the diagnosis....otherwi se its going to be called some fancy name that comes with episodic mental tramua...

reverie · 03-29-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

I dont know if this counts as self induced insanity, but on a long cartrip from NJ to MO with my family, i decided to start an inner dialogue with all the plants and forests we passed by. After a while they actually developed personalities i felt like i was actually talking to them...

while depressed several times i tried to force myself into a break from reality by circular thinking and trying to lay mind traps, thinking that it would make me blissfully ignorant of the world (never worked)

That story is very interesting..did you take anything away from that experience? Like any sort of understanding/feeling from it?

Xil · 03-29-2009, 06:08 PM

Afterwards i appreciated much more the spiritual weight of life itself. Something doesnt have to be sentient to hold knowledge (look at the mushrooms) and doesnt need a mouth to speak. You just can't listen to it in the same way you listen to other people...

reverie · 03-29-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

Afterwards i appreciated much more the spiritual weight of life itself. Something doesnt have to be sentient to hold knowledge (look at the mushrooms) and doesnt need a mouth to speak. You just can't listen to it in the same way you listen to other people...

Thats so awesome to hear

I couldn't agree more!

The Rev · 03-29-2009, 06:19 PM

I prefer to start from the assumption that I'm already crazy, and only SEEM sane because everyone else is nuts, too.

Seriously, tho, you would have to define insanity for the purposes of the question, because most people are irrational and behave in self-defeating ways on a regular basis, making them kinda crazy, at least (IMO).

The Rev

reverie · 03-29-2009, 06:28 PM

Great thoughts Rev

Perhaps the vitality of the question lies in its ambiguity and its room for interpretation...

A self realization of sorts..through paradox.

Dr. ShinDig · 03-29-2009, 06:33 PM

I agree with you Rev. People act irrationally all the time, myself included.

I mean who hasn't sat around and pondered alternate realities, or thought back in time and fantasized about doing something differently. In a way this type of thinking is a bit insane because it holds no basis in reality.

It almost seems as if the brain needs to vent it's insanity in order to stay sane as a whole. I believe this may be why we have these strange dreams at night where everything is different, crazy, chaotic and... well.. insane. I think the brain has to escape every once and a while in order to keep the world of the sane from driving it insane.

reverie · 03-29-2009, 06:38 PM

The ultimate aspect of this question is where does one establish this line of normalcy. Where does one get this sense of entitlement.

If it is because of reference points, where the dissolving of reference points being insanity... I suppose the most innocent of us out there are insane.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 03-29-2009, 06:39 PM

irrational action and insanity don't correlate in my opinion...

I remember hearing a Berkley lecture on drugs and the psychological effects of taking them... the speaker mentioned one word for drugs (psychotropic maybe?) and explained the roots of the word, and translated them as "temporary insanity". In any case, I would think that acid or mushrooms would be a pretty good idea of what its like to be schizo.

dunno.

Lord X · 03-29-2009, 07:09 PM

Self induced insanity is pretty much the only kind. There is a time where you think you are going insane and you choose to do nothing about it, thinking that it is only a phase and that it will pass... wrong.

ziplock · 03-29-2009, 07:49 PM

I would say that people have collectively agreed upon a sort of basis to the life experience. That is to say if I eat something, I'll taste it, and if you eat something, you'll taste it. As time goes by, these agreed to be shared experiences become more broad, more encompassing in scope. Insanity then is a quality we attribute to degrees of deviation from this collective agreement.

The specifics of it are really subjective, depending on the context you establish and points you relate it too, insanity could be a reality or a fraud. Either way it can help to have a somewhat categorical understanding of certain things like this.

I would then say that there is indeed self-induced insanity. The ways of inducing it typically carry along some process of self-directed disintegration. Where along this process you label someone insane is really up to you.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 03-29-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord X

Self induced insanity is pretty much the only kind.

!?!?!?! wtf?

reverie · 03-29-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ziplock

Self-directed disintegration.

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Originally Posted by ziplock's sig

Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

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reverie Cruising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,422 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 52 Posts	Cheers __________________ "For thought is a bird of space, that in a cage of words may indeed unfold its wings but cannot fly." -Gibran "Where there is cruise there is an escort of anti-cruise. But even in a bastion of anti-cruise fodder... there is cruise" -Levitch dissolve popular detachment

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Dr. ShinDig seriously skewed Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 899 Thanks: 251 Thanked 232 Times in 168 Posts	Is this like when people think they are possessed by a demon? I was watching a show about that and you just have to wonder how someone can think they are possessed and act completely insane, and then suddenly be OK after an exorcism. I mean they are Crazy and then through absolutely NO use of any real medicine they are magically better.. I would say that is the definition of self induced insanity. Well, unless you actually believe in such a thing as demonic possession and exorcisms. __________________ Putting the High in "High Quality"

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,292 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 993 Thanked 1,108 Times in 687 Posts	I dont know if this counts as self induced insanity, but on a long cartrip from NJ to MO with my family, i decided to start an inner dialogue with all the plants and forests we passed by. After a while they actually developed personalities i felt like i was actually talking to them... while depressed several times i tried to force myself into a break from reality by circular thinking and trying to lay mind traps, thinking that it would make me blissfully ignorant of the world (never worked) __________________ Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life, so get wasted all the time and have the time of your life

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	there are things in this world beyond explaination... edit...response to dr shin dig to add, Sure we can self anaylize but professional diagnosis of such subjective matters can't be taken to be complete or comprehensive.... this reminds me of the movie the changling... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever" Last edited by Grieves; 03-29-2009 at 04:51 PM.

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	thats only true provided that demon possession is in the scope of beliefs of those making the diagnosis....otherwi se its going to be called some fancy name that comes with episodic mental tramua... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever" Last edited by Grieves; 03-29-2009 at 04:57 PM.

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,292 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 993 Thanked 1,108 Times in 687 Posts	Afterwards i appreciated much more the spiritual weight of life itself. Something doesnt have to be sentient to hold knowledge (look at the mushrooms) and doesnt need a mouth to speak. You just can't listen to it in the same way you listen to other people... __________________ Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life, so get wasted all the time and have the time of your life

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,672 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,057 Times in 2,708 Posts	I prefer to start from the assumption that I'm already crazy, and only SEEM sane because everyone else is nuts, too. Seriously, tho, you would have to define insanity for the purposes of the question, because most people are irrational and behave in self-defeating ways on a regular basis, making them kinda crazy, at least (IMO). The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

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reverie Cruising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,422 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 52 Posts	Great thoughts Rev Perhaps the vitality of the question lies in its ambiguity and its room for interpretation... A self realization of sorts..through paradox. __________________ "For thought is a bird of space, that in a cage of words may indeed unfold its wings but cannot fly." -Gibran "Where there is cruise there is an escort of anti-cruise. But even in a bastion of anti-cruise fodder... there is cruise" -Levitch dissolve popular detachment

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Dr. ShinDig seriously skewed Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 899 Thanks: 251 Thanked 232 Times in 168 Posts	I agree with you Rev. People act irrationally all the time, myself included. I mean who hasn't sat around and pondered alternate realities, or thought back in time and fantasized about doing something differently. In a way this type of thinking is a bit insane because it holds no basis in reality. It almost seems as if the brain needs to vent it's insanity in order to stay sane as a whole. I believe this may be why we have these strange dreams at night where everything is different, crazy, chaotic and... well.. insane. I think the brain has to escape every once and a while in order to keep the world of the sane from driving it insane. __________________ Putting the High in "High Quality" Last edited by Dr. ShinDig; 03-29-2009 at 06:38 PM.

03-29-2009, 06:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
reverie Cruising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,422 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 52 Posts	The ultimate aspect of this question is where does one establish this line of normalcy. Where does one get this sense of entitlement. If it is because of reference points, where the dissolving of reference points being insanity... I suppose the most innocent of us out there are insane. __________________ "For thought is a bird of space, that in a cage of words may indeed unfold its wings but cannot fly." -Gibran "Where there is cruise there is an escort of anti-cruise. But even in a bastion of anti-cruise fodder... there is cruise" -Levitch dissolve popular detachment

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al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	irrational action and insanity don't correlate in my opinion... I remember hearing a Berkley lecture on drugs and the psychological effects of taking them... the speaker mentioned one word for drugs (psychotropic maybe?) and explained the roots of the word, and translated them as "temporary insanity". In any case, I would think that acid or mushrooms would be a pretty good idea of what its like to be schizo. dunno. __________________

03-29-2009, 07:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lord X YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 123 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 12 Posts	Self induced insanity is pretty much the only kind. There is a time where you think you are going insane and you choose to do nothing about it, thinking that it is only a phase and that it will pass... wrong. __________________ Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

03-29-2009, 07:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	I would say that people have collectively agreed upon a sort of basis to the life experience. That is to say if I eat something, I'll taste it, and if you eat something, you'll taste it. As time goes by, these agreed to be shared experiences become more broad, more encompassing in scope. Insanity then is a quality we attribute to degrees of deviation from this collective agreement. The specifics of it are really subjective, depending on the context you establish and points you relate it too, insanity could be a reality or a fraud. Either way it can help to have a somewhat categorical understanding of certain things like this. I would then say that there is indeed self-induced insanity. The ways of inducing it typically carry along some process of self-directed disintegration. Where along this process you label someone insane is really up to you. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

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