verklingen

thanks for dropping in zip i've been thinking about this topic a lot.

how do you view our relationship with self-preservation? i feel like it's lagging in the stone age. it sparks an uncontrollable emotional reaction for sure, but is it well for us to express this feeling as though we'd encountered a saber-toothed tiger? there is no denying this part of our self, but there is also no denying that our lives are very rarely compromised in a way which truly calls for a fight or flight response. in fact my experience with fear in this way has been highly detrimental. this has brought me to an understanding of fear which has a very negative view of how it is applied in our culture. i see the way in which we handle these feelings creating a standard of survival rather than a standard of living. in a way it draws us down from the relatively comfortable life we are luckily afforded and into a fabricated dire state. we humans are creatures of emotion, and i consider us to be caught in a mode of applying those feelings which makes the threats we perceive seem more significant to our survival or well-being than is suitable for protecting our well-being. it's almost as though we have filled the void of day-to-day danger which the development of society has largely left behind with the day-to-day minutia this society affords us the comfort of worrying about. this is why i say much of how we express our feelings is misaligned with reality as we wish to experience it. it's time to stop surviving, and start living!

what if we could condition our emotional reaction to be reflective of how we consider self-awareness? could it possibly approach what you consider complete self-awareness? follow me from this, which is highly reflective of my own view:

we can consider these portions of self as separate but interrelated planes of awareness, each of which operate under specific conditions for specific purposes we may or may not be able to comprehend. to use an analogy, our "self" as you describe it is watching us from above as we work our way through a trench. from this vantage he can see the potentials of our past, our present, and the potentials for what may lie ahead. i believe our conscious mind serves as a channel for communion with this self through the spectrum of emotional frequency. i feel we receive this transmission as the raw impulse of the moment which manifests experientially as emotion. we either forgot how to listen, chose to stop listening, or are simply learning to listen for the first time. in any case we have tragically assumed for our 3d self all the responsibilities of our higher-dimensional selves. but on this plane we are aware only of where we are and where we've been, so we use our past experiences to figure out what actions best apply here and also to anticipate what may come after. this process places us under a condition of fear, and many bewildering results materialize as a function of this haphazard application of arbitrary past experience upon future potential.

this condition we've staked out for ourselves is a mockery of self-awareness. we've taken on the responsibility of worrying about external factors which exist in a sea of potentiality; it's utterly incomprehensible to us. and as a result we miss awareness of our self for everything else. temporal creatures such as we simply cannot keep up. but there is a light to lead the way if we open our perception to it.

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ziplock

Np man. Been too busy this week and the down time I have had has been used to troubleshoot various little annoyances w/ the car. Fuck squeeking noises. Anyways..Our ideas of self have evolved significantly, and as such what falls under the umbrella of self and thus qualifying for attempts of preservation has gone through equally drastic changes. This doesn't mean it's nature really has changed much though. We for instance direct a lot of our self-preservation attempts towards preserving our image of self, or the identity we have constructed. We get it to a point where our identity and it's preservation supercedes that of our body, leading to various death related consequences. Therefore, threats or attacks directed towards our identity can be responded with as much passion as that of the appearance of a saber-toothed tiger. "You dissin me, son?" *BLAOW* That sort of stupid shit. The lack of threats to the body then turn even more attention and focus on these image-based threats.

The social body is one that coerces the conformance and compliance of the general populace. Fear, being so hardwired in our physiology, affords a method of coersion that will in effect bypass a large amount of the conscious checks and balances. This can promote people to behaviors that they would not have considered if this "fear" was absent. One doesn't need to journey too far into society to witness the exploitation of "fear" in the effort to encourage desired behaviors and results. Due to this utilization, our relationship with preservation has been rather stunted as far as it's development goes. Our expressions of various emotional experiences and the reactions/behaviors formulated around them have really all been stunted. We view our life and interactions in a framework of self-preservation. Ever have a buddy who always had to one up you? Would only be listening to your story to the degree that they're able to tell when it ends, then immediately jumps into their own extraordinary story that makes them out to be a total badass? Yeah, self-preservation.Conditioning our emotional reaction to be reflective of how we consider self-awareness would, to me, be more a representation of genuine-expression.Yes, each "self" then is an awareness or perspective relative to each dimensions characteristics. For instance, in 2D an object can be related to and defined by it's length and width. In the 3rd now can be defined by height. In the 4th it can be defined by spatial/temporal location. Each dimension would then have it's own relative laws and parameters of definition/being. There would then be a separate but innately linked perspective for each dimension. In this sense, you could look at it as 3D/4D/5D, body/mind/soul.

My body is more aware of the 3rd dimension then my mind. My mind is more aware of the 4th dimension then my body. Though we can easily observe the connection between them all. That is to say, the body isn't unaware of the 4th dimension, it just experiences it differently. The process of this is seen in how information is processed via the body. The body takes in much more information from our physical environment in the moment then our conscious mind is aware of. Of course, what we experience as the moment via the body actually is slightly delayed, so it's not really the present at all but the past. Anyways, this is filtered down and what I consciously experience is a very simplified and reduced version of the mass of information that was received. In the same sense, my body is only slightly aware of my mind's 4D experience. The conscious flow of experience, thought, emotion, motivation, inspiration, etc, etc, etc. My mind experiences much more of this then my body does, my body gets a simplified, reduced version of the mass of information that was received via the neural activity, chemical/hormonal adjustments, etc.

Application of the past towards the future imo is necessary as if I did not do this on a daily basis I would not have a future to look forward to and would have long ago died. Fear is legit. Imho it should, like pain, be respected and one should form an intimate relationship with them. Learn how to utilize them most efficiently. They represent a focus of energy that can be used to fuel further movement. Painful experiences can teach you a lot of shit. You would, of course, want to be conscious enough to avoid the painful experiences that would lead to your overall destruction. That takes a lot of critical, creative, thinking and the application of past experiences and understanding. The more you have to relate and associate the situation to the more options you create. The more potential, the more possibility. The less you have, or the less aware you are, the less options you have. It can get to a point where you are completely predetermined. Habitual reactions, routine, predictability. Once you can identify the number of options an individual is aware of, if you can control how many options they believe they have, you can exploit their almost hardwired reactive programming to get whatever result you want.I agree that our current condition is indeed a mockery of self-awareness for the most part. I disagree with my interpretation of a lot of what is said after. I accept and honor (there's a dead concept) my responsibility of worrying about external factors. My body can't do that. That's a 4D experience right there, and I try to fully understand that kind of stuff when I come across it. I admit it's a mindfuck though. Regardless, I would not want to ignore my obligation to worrying about external forces and factors. I have invested too much of myself into other things in this life. Too much of myself is reflected in my experience. When that is the case, one has many obligations and responsibilities to honor. I find it a characteristic of weakness to ignore and neglect these responsibilities and weakness is something we all experience countless times in our lives and should not be seen as something negative but something to be learned from. In that sense, my self-preservation has extended to encompasses a mass of 3D process. They have 4D characteristics completely imbedded in them by my conscious perspective and it's configuration. I enjoy a great deal of these characteristics, and as such, worry about their preservation.

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ziplock

I attempt to utilize this worry, to keep myself aware of possible potentials and formulate options that would maximize my personal efficiency in said situations. If someone gets in a car accident for instance, I want to minimize my time where I have to think about options as time is of the essence. This is because I have invested characteristics of myself, of my 4D experience, into this person, even though I don't know them. They mean something to me, and I want to do my best to do what I believe they want to do, help them live. And this extends beyond just the 3D representations of people. I empathize with their situations, their emotions, their fears, worries, insecurities, and again, I see myself in them. I want to help them live. In that sense, I find a great, great amount of beauty in fear, in worry, in concern. A great deal.

Due to this process, due to this reflection, self-awareness naturally extends beyond even you personally consciously. If you let yourself go, you completely lose yourself. Ego death. All the more power to those who seek that as a result in this life. I, personally, really wanna fuck around with this "ego" thing while I have the opportunity.

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verklingen

your perspective integrates nicely with my thinking, thank you for illuminating this. i can see how our conception of identity and the preservation thereof has evolved into a circular construct, and how we've been conditioned to maintain this construct by the society in which we've been raised. in our societal infancy self-preservation was a matter of collective preservation. every individual was an asset whose presence relieved the burden of hunting, gathering, defending, child rearing, etc such that an individual's survival directly influenced the ability of the clan to survive. however, as the social body developed to comprise more individuals the relative necessity of each individual was inversely diminished by the growth in population. in this i see further evidence of a change in scale affecting the potentials of action and behavior for both groups and individuals. after all, being unnecessary is just a step away from being dispensable, and i believe the social mechanism which gave rise to the sense of self you're describing here is the result of this sense of relative unimportance manifesting as an ingrained reaction to stake out and defend one's self-importance in an objectively verifiable manner. as such, for better or for worse, our society and this sense developed in tandem. it is extremely deep-rooted within our culture and the manifestations are myriad on both personal and collective levels. given our conditioning to consider our identity as the sole stake we have in proving our importance to society, it follows as a matter of course that we would defend it even unto death. in fact doing so may all the more solidify the sense of importance we spend all our life developing.

competition for approval with the constant fear of being out-done. . . there's some solid ground on this track man, thanks for leading me down it.

here we uncover a semantic difference. are you using this scheme of dimensions simply for the sake of illustration, or does it form the basis of your conception? i ask because your description doesn't jive with my understanding of relative dimensionality, which is that any higher dimension is inclusive of the lower dimensions, and therefor no 3d awareness can be more comprehensive than what a 4 or 5d awareness is afforded by their very nature.

ever read flatland? well, say you and i are a couple of 2d squares hanging out at my house and a knock comes at the door. when i ask who it is, instead of giving a proper answer he tells us what we've just had for lunch, going so far as to tell us which stage of digestion our meal is presently undergoing. i ask him exactly who he thinks he is playing tricks like this when his voice cuts me off, booming louder than it should even were he inside. "you're about to burp," he says. and then i do. surely we could think god himself was speaking to us, but theoretically it could just be some 3-dimensional prankster for whom our entire plane of existence is but a negligible wisp of space. this is the kind of comprehensive awareness i envision our higher-dimensional selves possessing. furthermore, i believe our higher-dimensional self/s coordinate events and apply energies which are tuned to the experiential frequencies we resonate through our feelings. as we negotiate the "trench" as per my last post's example, their purpose in respect to us is to manifest our course through it in accord with the preferences we communicate to them; all of which is done, again, through our feelings.

any event will bring one or more emotions to the surface, and how we manage those feelings defines the quality of the event for us more so than the event itself. and beyond that, it can affect future potentials which, though we have no reliable means of anticipating, we DO have, i believe, a means of positively influencing by aligning what we resonate through our feelings (and our management of them) with the quality of potentials we prefer. a personal example is turning dismay into appreciation. in practicing this i often find aspects of so-called untoward experiences -- which in times past i would habitually miss for the fluster of the moment -- that either outright transform the experience into a positive one or indicate some misalignment i can adjust to more properly resonate (and therefor attract) the positive energy i've staked my life on. in either case, every experience has in this way become a puzzle of fulfillment which i'd previously denied myself the pleasure of solving out of reckless habit.

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verklingen

i believe many of us are at that point, and i believe we reached it by consistently communicating feelings of despair, depression, hopelessness, anger, annoyance, etc. these are very strong communications that serve only to remove ourselves from experiences we say we prefer: supposing they would not generate such feeling. but we can't just pluck it from the ether. not immediately, anyway. we have to start building what we say we want with what we're already getting; we must use the very same materials we've used to build the life that left us unsatisfied enough to start searching for something different. to do this we must break free of habit, and in my opinion one such habit is using past experience to determine our course of action in the present.

you mention that you would be dead were it not for this mechanism. sure it's helped you survive, it's good for that. but does it help you live? are your experiences truly comprehensive enough to be faithfully relied upon for every rolling wave on the infinite sea of potentiality? to me, relying on my past is the same as relying on habit because my past experiences have built my habits. part of my program for breaking myself free of this has been to treat every experience as its own individual entity which calls for a specific action. first, i appreciate the opportunity to once more exercise my force of will. this sets up a sense of curiosity and lays the foundation for a fulfilling experience: stacking the deck in my favor, so to speak. i then consider my initial impulse and decide whether it aligns with the kind of person i wish to be and the kind of life i wish to lead. if it does not, i can be sure that this is a merely a habitual reaction which can be dismantled in exactly the same way it was set up. i then consider my options with creativity, and act in accordance with the vision i have for myself, my life, and the kind of world i'd like to take part in. my past experiences nowise pertain to any of this, so to use them as a basis for behavior is absurd. it's all a creative, imaginative process. . . rather more like a dream, really.

fear can indeed be a powerful impetus, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking it is commonly used as such. in most cases it is used to justify feelings of helplessness and passive outrage. . . or even for control as you have stated. but we can exploit our fears just as those who would manipulate us do by resolving the feeling and transforming it into positive action (here and most every time i say "positive" i mean in a manner reflective of the life one wishes to lead). on this point i believe we are in agreement. but allow me to draw a line here. i see this much like our discussion in the obama deception thread, in that i'm describing a mechanism that's the personally experiential equivalent of the social pressure i see guiding or, dare i say, tuning the affairs of our world. i consider fear a severe pressure in this sense: a misalignment or misattunement with one's environment. once that pressure is resolved it need not return unless further imbalances call it to action. . . unless one attunes himself to it through his feelings and behaviors. i hope this helps you understand my beliefs from at least one angle

it's a mindfuck for sure, and i don't believe it's possible. i don't think it's necessary; we already have multiple-d portions of our "self" operating in full function and performing the calculations/negotiations necessary to coordinate everyone's experience. imo, you're only here for that part, the experience part. that's what i consider my function anyhow. i'm not discounting the pleasure to be found in stretching your brain, so to speak. but that can be done without such, imo, senseless worrying. trust me, it's a sizable mindfuck recognizing the ever so simple things i could be doing to dramatically transform my everyday life.

i don't want to sound cheesy, but damn, man. . . life goes fast. high school was nearly a decade ago at this point. there's enough to keep up with just figuring out how to enjoy it, so i'm not too keen on worry, fear, drama and the like. i just trust in my mechanisms. they're really doing a good job so far, i owe them that much.

my beliefs place me in situations such as a car wreck for a purpose: perhaps the very same purpose you've staked out for yourself. i am therefor confident in my ability to perform -- whatever the circumstance -- because i am assured there is an aspect of this experience to be appreciated and treasured. it was planned not by me: the awareness i occupy behind this keyboard. it was coordinated in an ineffable orchestra conducted by "wider" aspects of myself and all involved. . . the stage is set and i am called to a role i am sure i had a part in creating. i must be fully involved each and every moment to do this for each and every circumstance, whatever the gravity of the situation. . . and i do not feel this can be done with an attention that stretches itself too thin in order to cover external factors far-removed from experience. it's no shortcoming, just a parameter imposed by the physics of reality.

there's no loss of ego in what i'm describing. in fact i consider it a blossoming of the ego. i'm done fucking around with it, personally. i'm ready to develop it into a form which serves my vision of a fulfilling life and a peaceful world. i feel i've been missing that opportunity for too long, and i don't want it to be too late.

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verklingen

i've been thinking about this some more. . .

i think we're talking about the same stuff. you're describing a development of your 4d sense, while i'm describing the development of a link or channel to an already existing 4d aspect of myself.

there's no evidence behind it to prove this, but i can't shake the sense of an infinite, comprehensive universe with no lack of possibility. it just sits so beautifully with my conceptions on frequency, infinity, fractal nature of reality, etc that i admit i take it a bit for granted. but if we can represent things as frequencies and use that to build machines which shape our experience of reality, maybe the experience of reality itself can be represented as a range of frequency. and if a specific experience can therefor be represented by a specific frequency, perhaps degrees in frequency can account for all potentials within experience. . . "filling" as it were the playground of our universe.

but anyway, if these infinite potentials exist and my existence affords me a means of accessing them for personal experience, there must be a way of doing what i'm already doing "better;" as in producing more favorable results within my personal experience. these potentials and the experiences they produce are fathomable to me, but the aqueous, quantum, higher-d membrane they occupy is beyond direct comprehension. thus when i say i wish to develop my connection to higher self, i mean two things. firstly, i mean to connect myself to an awareness which can comprehend that membrane by imparting my preferences to it that it may navigate a pleasant voyage. and secondly, for every possible encounter along the way, i mean to channel the potential for action which is most reflective of "me." because somewhere, on some level amongst the potentials in their infinite depth, i am acting in every possible way, under every possible circumstance, with every possible result. i wish to channel that action and thereby produce that result which accords with the vision i have for myself and my life: a process which relies heavily on imagination. i feel we are all doing this channeling anyway, each and every second of every day. i mean only to do so more conscientiously.

this is where i draw a line between consciously making something happen and consciously being there for the happening. i feel that if i'm only there to make something happen -- to manage the variables of my circumstance to the extent of my knowledge and experience -- i'm really only enforcing a condition of friction upon everything i do. it's unavoidable, because what i would have happen will always conflict with another's will. so i choose to disengage myself from that power struggle and just flow with experience. . . or i try to, at least. i don't want to struggle! i'm worn out from it. and now that i'm trying to be done struggling with others, i'm struggling with myself and my old habits! ah, this cumbersome reality of ours. but if i may refer to analogy, i'm ready to start developing my relationship with it beyond just dragging it behind me like a dead weight. it can make me stronger if i do the proper exercises with it, and i believe we have both found this to be true. the only difference between you and i, my friend, is a difference in regimen.

another good example is humor. humor requires a kind of multi-d awareness when you think about it. to crack a joke on the fly, thoughts must be manipulated and connected non-linearly in order to conceive something funny. and despite being an extremely creative process it happens in a flash: no sooner does the circumstance arise than the joke rolls off the tongue. you might call it a moment of inspiration. what i've set about doing is to focus myself in that inspiration every moment of every day. maybe that will help clarify some, but what are your thoughts?

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SageTree

HAHA^^^^

Now lets be serious.

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Bodhisattva

*throws a stone that hits you*

suppressing pain prevents fear

suppressing fear is a risky gamble

*throws another stone at your head*



seriously though. fear is a conglomerate....pain , fright, cowardice, and desire can easily be seen/ found, but it is much more complex than that, most importantly fear can think, fear has all your intelligence and ignorance, irrational fear is precisely as abundant as irrationality itself, and rational fear is just as murky and shady a phantasm as human rationality as a whole.

like the buddha said regarding the dissolution of suffering, 'throw a stone at a dog and it barks at the stone, throw a stone at a lion and you die'

if you throw a stone at a prey animal it will flee

the oddest and rarest reaction of all belongs to the human that doesent react at all the human that just pretends they dident get whacked with a stone at all or just doesn't care who is fine and comfortable being hit with stones... strength? stupidity? surrender? is this reaction that of a giant and a pebble or a gnat and a slow boulder? perhaps those arent possible for humans, and it is always only the slaves reaction to his master.

because in submission their is a relinquishing of much fear i am seriously wary of the fear of fear itself.


"Cold souls, mules, the blind and the drunken, I do not call stout-hearted. He hath heart who knoweth fear, but VANQUISHETH it; who seeth the abyss, but with PRIDE.

He who seeth the abyss, but with eagle's eyes,—he who with eagle's talons GRASPETH the abyss: he hath courage."

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badgoalie85

i seriously lol'd when i read the bolded statement.

you keep coming back and surprising me. just when i think you've reached the pinnacle of your douche-ness, you come up with some entirely new way of reassuring me that i do in fact hate you and that you are in fact a fucking douche.

smoke some fucking weed you were slightly less of a douche when you did. also, stop posting on yahooka.

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To each his own.

zerodown

The best explanation i've seen on how fear works...

Grieves

This post is 100% wrong and full of baseless slander...

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zerodown

I disagree, this part is 100% true: "In terms of fear, grow a set of balls and face fear right in the eyes. The only way to subdue any kind of fear is to face the object you fear and fucking destroy it."

Grieves

Destroying everything that you fear or makes you uncomfortable, is the method of the coward...You must attack the root of the fear, not the object/person/thing that is making you fearful...

Getting through fear and overcoming fear are two very different things....

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verklingen

you think people post to impress you? who are you anyway?

and terry, what about our experiences of fear that have nothing to do with physiological endangerment?

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verklingen

i found this extremely pertinent:

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“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.”

Bodhisattva

overall it sounds like bashar is aiding/aiming at anxiety.


fear, begets neural wiring that is instrumental to survival

Deep rooted changes that can not be fathered without Genuine fear, we humans especially are not especially afraid of fire, instinctively

fear is our will.. is it a choice?, not necessarily.. but it is instrumental in preservation

just keep suppressing that fear of driving recklessly and you will die, actions speak louder than words

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Cerebro

i train dogs
when they show obvious signs of fear they are always difficult
recovering from fearful disposition gives interesting insight into fear
this post represents my opinions and experiences
i train the dogs to start focusing on their thoughts
i do this by limiting their choices, and giving them time
they choose, they have made a choice
the process continues until the dog has learnt a new way of existing
one involving choice
an equivalent for humans could be meditiation
recognizing, as waves said, change = time, all that exists is change
stimulus creates response based on feelings of craving or aversion
through meditation you can train your body to observe change over time
you can practise 'no craving, no aversion'
upgrade your brain, and make decisions from a different area of your brain
final point - adrenaline and the other substances released by the sympathetic nervous system inhibit rational thought, if fear is present these need to be removed (usually by being quiet and breathing), then the brain can be re-engaged

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reverie

^See, in my experience when there is a disconnect of any sort it usually is thanks to small perceptual differences.

It sort of reminds me of the allegory of the cave; not so much Plato's realization, as much as men ascribing reality to the shadows, however if they simply turned around their realities would be entirely different.

I don't think (at least it was not my intention) for this thread to be a manual on what to do in a dangerous or frightening situation. For me, it was more of an expanded look on where people think our species is and where it could possibly evolve to (in relation to fear). And what are the complex dynamics at play when we experience certain things like fear etc.

Of course most of philosophy is much easier said than done, when you try and turn it into application. But perhaps that's the beauty of it. It challenges us to become more than we currently are..

And dont forget, forethought is at the basis of rationality.

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Bodhisattva

fear is instrumental in everything we are/do

i don't like it when people who avoid the hell out of something tell me they arent afraid of it.. and i also dont like it when people think the Word fear just needs to be removed from their vocabulary and then somehow they have 'beat' fear, they can still shake and shiver, but they never say 'afraid' so thats enough? humans have a wildly different interaction with fear than any other animal, fear seeps into intellect and intellect seeps into fear, at degrees that just confound the hell out of which is which

when i was younger i avoided the menial, because i was terrified of wasting my time/life, now i have a job so severely menial that i can listen with concentration through ear-buds to even the most demanding and intellectual audio, im still afraid of wasting my life.. and this is precisely the problem with fear, Usually people have good reasons behind their fear.. but they apply the fear to circumstances and situations where it is not warranted, this is all part of building ideas about things without having given them serious considerations, a half ass'd research project can make a person look and act an ass and a fool

i insist on saying here, that fear is NOT the problem with fear, so do not be afraid of fear itself, the Problem with fear is that we form opinions about things without having tried to truly understand them, all the implications and possibilites of a thing, being quick to judge is what makes for all the problems with fear. often the things we fear are precisely the things we avoid and do minimal research into, when it should be the exact opposite

im always afraid of tons of things, my decisions all interact with fear on an intimate basis, without fear i wouldn't be able to do what i want to do, i wouldn't have that level of control over my neural wiring, the ability to realize, hey.. 'That Possibility' over 'This Possibility' For ME.

their are all kinds of 'drives' in me, they are ALWAYS in conflict, fear is necessary for solving all arguments between 'drives'

part of me wants my job and the money and security, another part wants to say fuck you i quit and another part of me wants to smash my boss's head into the ground until its pulp, another drive makes me want to lighten up and enjoy the miserable shit, because why not?

its only my fear of wrecking/ruining/wasting my life that makes option 1 my choice

i think likely, the most important thing to realize about 'fear' is...

we always at the very least partially dont want it... fear is an invasive resolution to the conflict between our 'driving' inclinations

and wherever fear is present Some drives are gonna be bitter and try to find other means than rationality to erode it, bit by bit over time if need be

like i said, fear has all of your intelligence, limits and abilities, that in my opinion makes it the Truth for you.. trying to overcome any fear, by any means other than developing/expanding/gaining intelligence/reason/rational... is Folly, for fear to be Overcome and not simply Suppressed, you must Realize something, not 'decide' it or adapt to it over time, and even realizing isn't enough, realize something else and its just the past, Our human fear is intimately connected to our necessary ignorance and our essential stupidity, to a degree that is incomparable to other species, the endless mental work we do makes everything messy and obtuse

if you dont feel like a utter fool from All your angles to have feared something, than you are still afraid of it, people need to stop muddling the waters, and figure out exactly what their fears are and where those fears apply/make sense and where they are ignorant

its a LONG process, something no body has ever lived long enough to Finish, but that doesn't make it an un-worthwhile pursuit, i hope, i think

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wnfakind

Thinking about why you are you, or why humans do what they do is what causes fear live love and let be