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Old 04-27-2009, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Be naked for freedom

When there is no reason not to be totally naked, mentally, emotionally and physically, then your truly free.


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Old 04-27-2009, 09:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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agreed.... hang out with your wang out. rock out with your cock out. it all means the same thing - good times. but i'm intrigued by your idea of mental undress. what does that mean? and why is it beneficial as opposed to "playing it close to the vest"?

on one hand I suppose it could mean that someone is completely honest with themselves and others. Or possibly being entirely fourthcoming. They do say that honesty is the best policy. but then i tend to think that there are some things you should keep to yourself becacuse A. no one wants to hear it and B. it leaves you vulnerable.

So I don't know if I agree completely.
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that's an idea i can get behind! making clothing into a person just doesn't work, that's not the way
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Sure there are some things you don't need to share with people.

And also, total freedom is not the best for civilized societies. But in love for example, if you think you want to share your life with someone than you should be prepared to be totally naked with them, like sex, but in the other ways too. Holding them back from knowing entirely who you are won't help them love you, it will just give them a skewed image of you. That skewed image might be easier for them to love, but its not true unleashed love. If they can't love the whole you, then they're perhaps not so in love with you.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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When there is no reason not to be totally naked, mentally, emotionally and physically, then your truly free.


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When there is no reason to <---- thats the key to it, there is a reason for you to be dressed, to prevent getting arrested, some tribes still walk the forests naked, cause no one bothers them, so thats the reason you can't get out naked, and it will always be like that, not based on morality(if the government had moral we wouldn't be in crisis), but based on profit, its not good for business for people to go around naked, the system needs you to buy in order to exist, thats why they force you to play the game through permits, licenses, taxes, social security, interests, credit and all that stuff that we don't really need(and the majority don't even understand), they force you to play the game or get arrested "for the good of the rest"
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If one would have a friend, then must one also be willing to wage war for him: and in order to wage war, one must be CAPABLE of being an enemy.

One ought still to honour the enemy in one's friend. Canst thou go nigh unto thy friend, and not go over to him?

In one's friend one shall have one's best enemy. Thou shalt be closest unto him with thy heart when thou withstandest him.

Thou wouldst wear no raiment before thy friend? It is in honour of thy friend that thou showest thyself to him as thou art? But he wisheth thee to the devil on that account!

He who maketh no secret of himself shocketh: so much reason have ye to fear nakedness! Aye, if ye were Gods, ye could then be ashamed of clothing!

Thou canst not adorn thyself fine enough for thy friend; for thou shalt be unto him an arrow and a longing for the Overman.

Sawest thou ever thy friend asleep—to know how he looketh? What is usually the countenance of thy friend? It is thine own countenance, in a coarse and imperfect mirror.

Sawest thou ever thy friend asleep? Wert thou not dismayed at thy friend looking so? O my friend, man is something that hath to be surpassed.

In divining and keeping silence shall the friend be a master: not everything must thou wish to see. Thy dream shall disclose unto thee what thy friend doeth when awake.

Let thy pity be a divining: to know first if thy friend wanteth pity. Perhaps he loveth in thee the unmoved eye, and the look of eternity.

Let thy pity for thy friend be hid under a hard shell; thou shalt bite out a tooth upon it. Thus will it have delicacy and sweetness.

Art thou pure air and solitude and bread and medicine to thy friend? Many a one cannot loosen his own fetters, but is nevertheless his friend's emancipator.

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I was only mentally naked once, and that was enough. Plenty of time for that experience when this life is done.



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Thanks for the continuing replies guys. The neitzche quote was interesting, not sure I agree though, or perhaps understand.
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I like wearing clothes

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Are you free to show your naked body to the people in your life? What about if you let them know everything about your mental world, you insecurities, fetishes, dreams, failures and vices?
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I fully agree with this. Clothes and materials cover who you really are. Its really when you can strip your clothes, masks, and any anxieties to the wind so that all thats left is you, that you are free
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Are you free to show your naked body to the people in your life? What about if you let them know everything about your mental world, you insecurities, fetishes, dreams, failures and vices?
I could, but Id like to keep some things to myself. < thats free, free to choose
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Some of my mental workings are for myself only.
There were/are tribes that don't believe in divulging all, as they believe some things lose their divinity when shared. So you'll find some tribes that speak little to none because of this. That doesn't mean they lose their "humanness" at all. They have been known to still smile, laugh, interact, etc...
Makes sense to me.
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I am naked under my clothes, even at work.



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I've only been naked at work once, when we dipped into a client's pool while they were on vacation. Risky doing it on an all female crew...didn't know where or when or if there was a sexual harassement bi-law on consentual skinny dipping??
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I find the word bi-law to be descrimatory against straights and gays. I claim harrassment!



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