verklingen

ya man cuz, you know, our past assumptions on man's inherent inequality worked out totally well amirite?

but seriously, to get to the heart of the issue, we are all unique individuals with unique aspirations. if our society were more "user friendly," i.e. were to cultivate these unique aspirations rather than crush them, all individuals may be geniuses. we'll certainly never know going around supposing inequality. besides, we've hardly even moved toward treating all men equal. how can you condemn something we've yet to truly experiment with, and why would you favor the maintenance of paradigms we've been experimenting with for millenia when they've turned up nothing but unfavorable results (imo)?

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Bodhisattva

historically it has been the force of life, to over-breed, an ingrained desire to breed more than nature allowed to survive has historically been the rule of life form day 1#

people just relatively recently underwent a Severe bottneck in africa, and became 'human', after eating lots of fish-oil maybe, or maybe just the more advanced minds breeding more often.

i think that the enourmous progress we have made within only That bottleneck on our population, without mentioning the rest of the 'squeeze' that humans have endured and manifested for themselves on each-other

its time to explore that other aspect of evolution the 'branching out'

let everyone breed, let everyone live

i think that this has been instrumental to genius as it hath hitherto expressed itself within the human

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Bodhisattva

not that we aren't plenty ripe enough for another 'evolutionary bottleneck'

meh whom i kidding, i needed it yesterday

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Bodhisattva

This is, however, my third manly prudence: I am not put out of conceit
with the WICKED by your timorousness.

I am happy to see the marvels the warm sun hatcheth: tigers and palms
and rattle-snakes.

Also amongst men there is a beautiful brood of the warm sun, and much
that is marvellous in the wicked.

In truth, as your wisest did not seem to me so very wise, so found I
also human wickedness below the fame of it.

And oft did I ask with a shake of the head: Why still rattle, ye
rattle-snakes?

-Nietzsche

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José

I wish I could forget about this thread and read it again.

verklingen

i wish you would engage me in some serious discussion because your views on evolution are utterly unclear to me.

in your view, how will strict biological evolution serve us? you keep talking about bottlenecks and i just keep thinking about eugenics or some crap like that. i believe we're shifting from the evolution of our bodies to the evolution of what we do with them; and this will in turn lead to a biological evolution of some sort as the pathways of mutual benefit strengthen and develop, likely with astonishing rapidity.

i consider our circumstance a lot like pre-cambrian times. single-celled organisms didn't have to evolve physically to begin to work together (unless you wanna suppose some kind of providence), but once they did all the branches of life which lead up to us and beyond were built on the back of multi-cellular cooperation within a very short span of time. the potential was realized and expressed, you might say, and highly successful. i see us humans as individual cells composing a societal organism whose potential we have yet to realize. currently, this latent potential is most readily expressed in times of disaster or tragedy. . . and i wonder what might be possible (or what could continue being impossible) if we adopted such behavior as our usual modus operandi.

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B.

I never said all people are created equal, I said anybody is capable of genius.

I also agree with Verk in the sense that we wouldn't know if all people were created equal due to the hierarchical and status driven nature of our species.

My personal perspective is all (neurotypical/physically normal*) people are born individual, but with equal capability to excel in whatever field their skills lie given the right opportunities and encouragement... not many people receive the right opportunites and/or encouragent thus creating a hugely inequal society.

(*I hate to discriminate, all people are born individual but handicapped people are obviously less capable of excellence than typical people)

Imagine a world full of truly excellent people!
Might sound nuts, but I do believe its possble... however this is merely my opinion rather than assertation, I may be totally wrong... but I'm a dancin' fool.

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Bodhisattva

"I wish I could forget about this thread and read it again."

did i wait long enough?

.. i poke fun because i have ruined this perfectly good thread in favor of accomplishing what i had intended to do, and that frustrates me, so i poke fun, because im a coward here maybe? irrelevant to me at this point

"i wish you would engage me in some serious discussion because your views on evolution are utterly unclear to me."

im not interested in a direct discussion of how i think human evolution will play out from now on

such a discussion would be difficult for me and troublesome for you, because i don't Have an opinion on how things will play out

i have heaped possibility on top of possibility, but i prefer the whole heap... because this is a fine far away thing, i think its necessary to be undecided here

as far as your pre-cambrian theory... its ridiculous, we are not single celled organisms, and we are not ants, our 'programming' is in very serious conflict with this 'synchronization'... .i revolt at all inclinations to simplify what is severely complex

except this thread which is expressly for that purpose

wait WhAt, nvm?

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verklingen

it's more of an analogy than a theory. do you know about fractals? they're a sort of graph that begins with a set or template, developing into increasingly complex arrangements with each subsequent iteration. i can see a template for the development of "being," namely disparate parts joining to create something new: particles -> atoms -> molecules -> organic molecules -> cellular organisms -> multicellular organisms -> societies of multicellular organisms -> ????, you get the gist. with each iteration of this template i see joining, oneness, and the discovery of more complexities with which to integrate. if that seems ridiculous to you then whatev

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Bodhisattva

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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

you can find more on youtube, and the complete collection including his radio program via torrents, i know demonoid has them

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wnfakind

Genius are the one's who setup this whole system of controll and cultures/religion today knowning man would reproduce as much as we have. Knowning too that materialistic need's will come first in many people's lives, now today is the time for survival and a time for new understanding of what really is the meaning and potential of our human species someone fucked this up along time ago knowning just how great our human mind's are but just how easy it is to controll and manipulate a mind to denie what really one must know..

As they say and as we can see today... The rich get richer.. the poor get poorer...

Psilocychosis

To me, its a concept or person that is innovative and insightful. Not necessarily extraordinary or amazing.

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