artificial intelligence

verklingen · 05-11-2009, 10:02 AM

bashar has mentioned an interesting concept along the lines of artificial intelligence, that when we create it it will serve as a proper "excuse" for us to commune directly with our higher selves in physical reality. of course we are already capable of this, but i can see how we would use artificial intelligence as an acceptable medium to recognize and experiment with this inherent ability on a massive scale.

this idea is pretty damn cool to me! what do you guys think of artificial intelligence?

shakeNbake06 · 05-11-2009, 11:42 PM

I don't know man, such a weird thing AI is.. Think about when technology gets so advanced where a robot with artificial intelligence is able to think for itself, and have emotions and all that, basically mimicking human consciousness..than they would have rights and all that, and could start some sort of revolution and decide to kill all humans.. like in terminator

mothernature · 05-12-2009, 08:17 AM

Just like anything new, the technology will be applied to weaponry first.

After all the paranoia dies down about whether robots will destroy us all, then maybe it would be a useful tool.

Now my mind is flying....

People could have AI (robots) programmed to act just like them. Then we could all see how good or bad or ignorant or stupid we really are.

We could have long conversations with ourselves (like verk said) to work out our deeper thoughts and feelings.

I don't think an AI would have true feelings, but I do think that a emotional response could be programmable.

Lots of thoughts on this one.....thanks

The Rev · 05-12-2009, 05:43 PM

The Rev

verklingen · 06-04-2009, 01:12 PM

guys, this is too cool. i'm going through some bashar .txt's i got from some torrent last year and i come across the following transcript. bashar describes an advanced system of memory storage which uses light and "electromagnetic bubbles." what's interesting is i read just this week about a new data retrieval method some physicists in france discovered which uses femtosecond lasers to alter the spin of an electron and create a magnetic field which assists in the retrieval of data. pretty damn cool. . .

here's the entire transcript for the sake of coherency:

Quote:

Questioner: I wanted to ask you a question about computers and memory storage…

Bashar: Yes.

Q: … in terms of creating an artificial intelligence.

B: Yes.

Q: Do you know what would be a couple of good steps to go into in the direction of moving from binary, to moving memory storage more efficiently, sort of like in the lines of light -- you know the movie, “Short Circuit,” how they created artificial intelligence there?

B: Now understand one idea about what you call, Artificial Intelligence, as we have discovered within our civilization: when you allow yourself to create the concept, Artificial Intelligence, what you are doing is creating a symbolic representation, in physical terms, that will allow you consciously, in a way that is comfortable for you, to begin to realize that what you are doing is communicating with your own higher consciousness through the machine.

In this way you can create an idea -- now you already approaching this idea, to some degree, in your civilization -- of what you would call a multi-gate system. That will allow every gate to be in touch with every other gate, every component would be identical to every other component; every cell identical to every other cell and to be able to touch every other cell.

You can begin to recognize there are crystalline forms - crystalline, metallic, plastic forms that you are beginning to discover that can be utilized in these cellular structures, that have within them, a different type of crystalline lattice-work. This principle can be applied to the idea of the type of arrangement that you can utilize in your memory storage facilities in computer technology. But recognize this: it is not so much that you will be creating memory storage as you will be creating memory creation.

It will be a COMPLETELY, completely -- whether you understand this or not, I do not know -- but it will be a completely real-time system. It will completely be in the present, memory will not be stored. It will not be retrieved. It will be created as a reflection of what is required.

There can be the recognition that much of this storage can take place within the structure of light itself. You can create a CORE matrix from light itself, allowing the light to reinforce wherever it crosses another beam of light in such a manner as to create a electromagnetic bubble, in which you allow there to be the identical cells created, electromagnetic bubbles that will be the cells of the artificial intelligence, that is one way. Will this do for now? Does that form some assistance? Can you derive some direction from this? Is there something else you need to know?

Q2: I was wondering if it was stored on an algorithm basis, in the form of…

B: Even beyond that.

Q3: Is it all based around the template idea?

B: Yes.

Q2: What is that?

B: The template is the non-physical substructure that gives form and substance to the physical universe.

Q1: The extra dimension that enables us to see three dimensions all at once.

B: Yes, it is what you would call the implicate order in nature. It takes place on that level.

Q1: It’s a high order.

B: You follow me?

Q2: Not quite.

B: What you would call implicate means “implied,” you may see something on the surface, but that surface shape implies the structure beneath it. This implicate order is a non-physical template that is enfolded into physical reality in such a manner that you do not actually directly perceive it, but it is implied. It is upon that level that the creation of this matrix can occur. It can occur through the utilization of light.

Crystals can be of assistance, but you will find that there are many levels of creation beyond that. But they can lead you to understand how light can be focused. How light in the center of the crystals you will use, or are using in your society, actually forms its own dimensional state, actually forms its own self-reinforcing electromagnetic field or dimension. And it is within that electromagnetic field or dimension that these interactions can take place.

And you can CREATE what would seem to be a vacuum in the center of your memory storage unit that is actually alive with VIRTUAL probabilities. And is, in and of itself, a portion of the template, and can actually ACT upon other portions of the template to create a real physiological effect.

Q1: And it’s timeless, that’s why you say it’s real time.

B: Yes.

Q2: Thank you.

B: You may follow that lead and also follow whatever lead your imagination sees fit to follow.

Q2: Thank you.

and here's the article about the french scientists' discovery:

Quote:

French physicists claim breakthrough in ultra-fast data access
May 31st, 2009

French physicists said on Sunday they had used ultra-fast lasers that could accelerate storage and retrieval of data on hard discs by up to 100,000 times, pointing the way to a new generation of IT wizardry.

The research builds on achievements that earned the 2007 Nobel physics prize for Albert Fert of France and Peter Gruenberg of Germany, who ushered in a revolution in miniaturised storage in the 1990s.

Fert and Gruenberg discovered that tiny changes in magnetic fields can yield a large electric output.

These differences in turn cause changes in the current in the readout head that scans a hard disk to spot the ones and zeroes in which data is stored.

That discovery opened the way to "spintronics", a form of electronics that uses not only electrical charge but also the spin of electrons in individual atoms to provide a more compact, denser storage on hard drives.

But reading and writing data through spintronics has been hampered by the relative slowness of magnetic sensors.

In a study published in the specialist journal Nature Physics, a team led by Jean-Yves Bigot of the Institute of Materials Physics and Chemistry in Strasbourg employed a "femtosecond" laser, using ultra-fast bursts of laser light, to alter electron spin and thus speed up retrieval and storage.

"Our method is called the photonics of spin, because it is photons [particles of light] that modify the state of the electrons' magnetisation" on the storage surface, Bigot told AFP.

Data is retrieved with a burst that lasts just a millionth of a billionth of a second, said Bigot.

Femtosecond lasers currently measure around 30 centimetres (12 inches) by 10 centimetres (four inches) which means they are too big for consumer electronics, he cautioned.

Bigot added, though, that their miniaturisation is likely to be achieved over the next decade.

IBM, Hitachi and other corporations are "extremely interested" by the research, Bigot said.

(c) 2009 AFP

French physicists claim breakthrough in ultra-fast data access

anyway, i found the consistency of what bashar described and this new discovery truly remarkable. the channeling must have been from more than a decade ago. wild. . .

Trypz* · 06-04-2009, 08:33 PM

it's happening....but not militarily.

YouTube - Xbox 360 E3 - Milo - New Virtual Character

any gamers here may recognize the guy as the creator of fable...

ziplock · 06-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Been a while since I looked into AI but it's extremely interesting. Should do a little run around that concept again. I'm basically at the "Chinese room" right now. Google it if you haven't heard of it. Thought experiment relating to AI.

As for the creation of AI leading to a revision of the average human's relation to "the higher self" I would be compelled to believe that this would prompt a reassessment of what qualifies as "self", "intelligence," and "human." We have sort of distinguished ourselves from other organisms on many avenues that revolve around these concepts. To have a mechanical "equal" or "superior" in these fields of what we distinguish as characteristically "human" will lead us to sort of point our attention and focus in a direction that is more "spiritual" in nature.

I believe the Chinese room illustrates well just why this would take place.

Legen...dary! · 06-08-2009, 12:27 AM

Isn't Bashar that dude who claims to be a channel of a multidimensional being or something?

I'd like to see his credentials.

verklingen · 06-08-2009, 08:21 AM

^ not quite, bashar IS the multidimensional being who is supposedly channeled by a fellow named daryl anka (at least that's what mr anka calls him, bashar says his civilization has no names as we recognize the concept). no credentials to speak of, just info that has helped many people lead better, more fulfilling lives. some it strikes a chord with, some not so much. that's why there are countless avenues through which the same core principles are related: you create your reality, your experience of life is up to choice, follow your excitement, etc. there are no credentials because belief is the crux upon which it's all hung (you can't take control of your life and make it enjoyable/worth living if you don't first believe you can). but if you ask me, the correlation between what he said in that transcript i posted and this new data storage breakthrough is striking to say the least!

Legen...dary! · 06-08-2009, 10:29 AM

Word thanks, I was just wondering how he knows what he knows about AI.

verklingen · 06-09-2009, 11:47 AM

well if you take his word for it bashar says ai figures heavily into the technology of his civilization, much of which also has characteristics we would consider biological. for instance he's said that the ship he pilots has a consciousness or sentience that, while being its own separate entity, is derived from his own consciousness as well as the collective consciousness of his society.

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verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	artificial intelligence bashar has mentioned an interesting concept along the lines of artificial intelligence, that when we create it it will serve as a proper "excuse" for us to commune directly with our higher selves in physical reality. of course we are already capable of this, but i can see how we would use artificial intelligence as an acceptable medium to recognize and experiment with this inherent ability on a massive scale. this idea is pretty damn cool to me! what do you guys think of artificial intelligence? __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	Been a while since I looked into AI but it's extremely interesting. Should do a little run around that concept again. I'm basically at the "Chinese room" right now. Google it if you haven't heard of it. Thought experiment relating to AI. As for the creation of AI leading to a revision of the average human's relation to "the higher self" I would be compelled to believe that this would prompt a reassessment of what qualifies as "self", "intelligence," and "human." We have sort of distinguished ourselves from other organisms on many avenues that revolve around these concepts. To have a mechanical "equal" or "superior" in these fields of what we distinguish as characteristically "human" will lead us to sort of point our attention and focus in a direction that is more "spiritual" in nature. I believe the Chinese room illustrates well just why this would take place. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

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Legen...dary! YaHookan Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 119 Thanks: 68 Thanked 30 Times in 20 Posts	Isn't Bashar that dude who claims to be a channel of a multidimensional being or something? I'd like to see his credentials. __________________ Time is a matter of fact when it's gone it'll never come back

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verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	^ not quite, bashar IS the multidimensional being who is supposedly channeled by a fellow named daryl anka (at least that's what mr anka calls him, bashar says his civilization has no names as we recognize the concept). no credentials to speak of, just info that has helped many people lead better, more fulfilling lives. some it strikes a chord with, some not so much. that's why there are countless avenues through which the same core principles are related: you create your reality, your experience of life is up to choice, follow your excitement, etc. there are no credentials because belief is the crux upon which it's all hung (you can't take control of your life and make it enjoyable/worth living if you don't first believe you can). but if you ask me, the correlation between what he said in that transcript i posted and this new data storage breakthrough is striking to say the least! __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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shakeNbake06 Old School Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 368 Thanks: 21 Thanked 56 Times in 29 Posts	I don't know man, such a weird thing AI is.. Think about when technology gets so advanced where a robot with artificial intelligence is able to think for itself, and have emotions and all that, basically mimicking human consciousness..than they would have rights and all that, and could start some sort of revolution and decide to kill all humans.. like in terminator

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mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 895 Thanked 615 Times in 394 Posts	Just like anything new, the technology will be applied to weaponry first. After all the paranoia dies down about whether robots will destroy us all, then maybe it would be a useful tool. Now my mind is flying.... People could have AI (robots) programmed to act just like them. Then we could all see how good or bad or ignorant or stupid we really are. We could have long conversations with ourselves (like verk said) to work out our deeper thoughts and feelings. I don't think an AI would have true feelings, but I do think that a emotional response could be programmable. Lots of thoughts on this one.....thanks

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Legen...dary! YaHookan Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 119 Thanks: 68 Thanked 30 Times in 20 Posts	Word thanks, I was just wondering how he knows what he knows about AI. __________________ Time is a matter of fact when it's gone it'll never come back

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verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	well if you take his word for it bashar says ai figures heavily into the technology of his civilization, much of which also has characteristics we would consider biological. for instance he's said that the ship he pilots has a consciousness or sentience that, while being its own separate entity, is derived from his own consciousness as well as the collective consciousness of his society. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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