JainVeganBuddha

lol, you say nothing.

my words cannot prove or disprove anything. they will be a word to the wise or an impetus for some to look deeper into these things for themselves. The information i present is not done so lightly, but after years of formal and informal religious and historical studies.

here is the thing: most of the immense and almost unfathomable evil we see in the world: great oppression, wars, killing of civilians, women, and children, economic slavery, the seeming disregard for life and morality....it has its roots in a ruling elite whom engage in very dark 'satanic' type practices which can better be termed merely 'barbaric'. this evil is at the root of their madness, aggression, and completely deceptive, injurious, scheming ambitions for the world. like most of those who are evil they are somewhat cowardly and calculating behind all their secrecy, and like to have others do their dirty work. they have caused the degradation and lowering of the human qualities of much of the human population as well.

these dark practices have their roots in ancient human history, and are even retold in some ancient stories. the drinking of blood is a very strong addiction by which one loses the ability to metabolize and synthesize the molecules one's own body needs. there is also a huge rush of all kinds of potent neuro-chemicals in the blood when something is captured, tortured, terrified, and killed. Eating flesh of any kind is also an addiction in this class, but the consumption of fresh blood is many many times stronger. we know how strong drug addictions can have crazy effects on people, causing them to do all kinds of things they wouldnt normally do. well this is that fallen state they speak so much about. and that red apple is surely a symbol for blood.

JainVeganBuddha

oh, and besides the bio and neurochemicals, there are all kinds of crazy bad vibes in the blood from these sacrifices.

SageTree

Meat in general, scrificed for which ever reason. I am with you here.

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JainVeganBuddha

dont believe me check into it for yourself.

im not a jain, im just a human being, just as you are not a tree.

im as suprised as you about the nature of organized religions. dark stuff huh? what i found through it all is that spirituality is free and comes from within. following any organized religion is just the opposite of true spirituality. they want to trick you and fool others for certain ambitions because they are insane and deceptive and criminal, and evil.

the organized religions are concretely tied to rulers and their armies who engage in every type of invading, robbing, raping, and greedy nonsense you can think of. when you see this you will see through their false front to their evil hearts. would you come to such barbarians for spiritual guidance?? HA!

so the spiritual fronteir is the self, a little meditation is all that is needed. good culture can be learned by others who are good , but those who make a false front and a big show of it are lying and using a mask to hide what they really are.

see all the missing kids on milk cartons. this stuff is going on right in your neck of the woods I guarantee you.

SageTree

I appriciate the calm linier response. Thanks for the heads up.

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JainVeganBuddha

youre welcome.

im just a scholar and researcher who tries to present the truth.

some misguided ones want to control everything and everyone. this is their madness. they see spirituality in humans as a weakness to be exploited through deceit, it seems. and they also use it to get the divide and conquer thing going among different parts of their 'empire'.

seattle420lover

could someone explain that to me? it says something about EGO
I don't fully understand it.
to me, kiling is wrong! just as wrong as posting some anti-religios stuff on a marijuana web site

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Scion

I dont think what hes sayin is anti-religious. Read the text.

I agree with most of what this poster says. Yea, they try to make themselves seem harmless and funny, but they are into some seriously shady stuff.

The child ritual abuse has been on the news and there was a big court case with a settlement of like 70 million or something. My friends fraternity brother was into it and theyre all into masonic organizations and old money. There are a lot of big names in there too-Aristocrats like Ford and others from what I heard.

If you say the hippies were their target, then that makes sense. They could never come as they are, so theyd have to use some kind of disguise to take them down. Ill look into this more, then maybe post again.

-SC

verklingen

lots of ignorance up in here. . .

the hare krishnas are part of a movement conceived in the early 60's by an indian fellow named srila prabhupada. his intention was to bring krishna consciousness to the world; specifically the west. he preached loving devotion to a hindu expression of the devine, creative spirit -- lord sri krishna -- through his international society for krishna consciousness, or iskcon, which he founded in 1966 at new york city. aside from insisting upon the adoption of some traditional indian practices, iskcon, lead by prabhupada, promoted an all-around affection for life by making the expression of kindness, love, and appreciation toward all beings a main element in his enunciation of bhakti (devotional service to the divine, creative spirit). bhakti yoga is what the hare krishnas call their practice.

so that's what they're about. it's true that after prabhupada died in the seventies there was a general tumult from the lack of leadership, and since then there could be sects who have deviated much. but to think that hare krishnas as a whole are somehow corrupted and serve only to pacify weak minds or to usher vile acts is a lot like saying christians are despicable and evil because some of them liked to burn witches, or likewise all mormons because some of them like to have a collection of underage wives.

i just think we've had enough of the divisive rhetoric regarding the religions of our planet, and if you REALLY think there's a secretive group such as the illuminati who exerts control over the world, maybe getting caught up in it is part of their plan. cuz, well, you know. . . muslims are misogynistic terrorists, christians are bigots, jews are corrupt misers, and hindus are depraved masochists. get it? i don't. i don't see the purpose in following any of that; in fact i only see the potentials down that path for a world i'd rather not live in. so i choose to look at what's good and what brings us together: what tempers our good will and stirs our hopes. i believe there's much more to be gained in this way.

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Mydriasis

The Hare krishnas I met are nice people.

Jain sir/madam, have you been wronged or something? Or are you a lover of a meaty story while your bored. Either way I don't blame you, I just don't think this is some illuminati lizard king conspiracy. No offense or anything.

al-Mu'akhkhir

x3.14

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ziplock

To me, the greatest "evil" is when you fool yourself into thinking "it stops here." A conclusion is only conclusive in regards to what it's related to. The moment something is changed in some way, introduced or detracted, the conclusion is false. That is unless you only consider it in regards to what it was previously related to. In this sense, every statement is true. I can run through walls and fly. That is, unless you consider and relate that conclusion to what we understand to be walls and flying in the physical sense. Then it's false.

Religion, or any form of crystallized thought, is just a self-embellishment. An ornament to adorn your social presentation of self. Validity cannot be contained in a conclusion, only in a relation. The conclusion is simply a resulting expression of the relationship.

Well hopefully what I said was somewhat understandable. God I love weed...

Cheers

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SageTree

thanks Zip always good to see you around laying down the headies.

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SpankyMcLankey

/done reading

I think it's time for you to get off the internet and go to a library.

quality post verk

SageTree

Senior got perma-ed a a while ago, around the time this post came around.

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ziplock

Glad it's appreciated

This, I would say, is a fundamental principle to my philosophy.

To expound a little more, all things are dynamic, changing. Again and again through human history we can see places where people have formed conclusions, or said "it stops here." It's a joke, how could you possibly convince yourself of that?

Religion to me is like this... The truth, or validity, is found within the relationship between the context and the conclusions, or the statements. If people are open to a manipulation of context, if they'll accommodate new information, new introductions into the equation, then it quickly becomes pointless to attribute anything more than a relative truth, or relative validity, to any given statement. With a context that is constantly taking on new information, the equation is constantly being manipulated, and thus the result, or the conclusion, will be equally manipulated. This would lead into no conclusion at all but just an overall measurement of the process taking place. At this point, when the context had these characteristics, then the conclusions had these characteristics.

It's the observer/object relationship. This leads people to feel a fundamental subjectivity to existence, a relativity to morality. Religion exists when a conclusive, unyeilding context can be established. When this context is not conclusive, when it is not seen as unchanging, then the manifestation of denominations and interpretations takes place. You then have the unquestioned authority of certain things, scripture and what have you, that cement this context.

I have been hard pressed to find someone who has managed to fully convince themselves of this unchanging context. There instead I am simply presented with an individual's interpretation of a religion every time I talked to someone about it. I then think to myself, if that's the case, why bother with it at all? It's not a religion, it's your opinion. Trying to make your own individual thoughts and interpretations take on some sort of collective characteristics inherently limits and restricts those thoughts and interpretations. If you find that those thoughts form a great deal of who you consider yourself to be, then you have just agreed to restrict and limit your development, growth, experience, expression. So then naturally the question is why the fuck would you do that?

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verklingen

i am valid! but only in relation to myself, of course

are conclusions truly devoid of validity though? it can just as well be said that invalidity can also be found only in a relation. all thoughts/beliefs/conceptions are valid to those who hold them, else no one would bother keeping them. rather than validity vs invalidity, what sets the ideas you hold for yourself that you have determined to be valid apart from those of a crystallized religious type that he has determined to be valid is your commitment to integrate a wider, more adaptable and more inclusive array of considerations while he has committed himself to exclusion. these considerations continue to multiply as you perceive changes in your environment, but you could also look at it as your self changing to perceive more of your environment, and adapting your behavior accordingly. the truth, as always, is likely somewhere in the middle. but the focus -- change -- remains the same. for now it seems there will be some who falter and struggle in vain to keep themselves changeless amid a changing reality. i feel all experiences which affect us negatively somehow result from that struggle.

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kamikazi89

shouldn't you be out bombing a kotex factory or something

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verklingen

to go a bit further, you might say that their struggle is to work with the outer to force it into reflecting their inner world, as though we can reach into a mirror and force a reflection. no, a reflection can only offer what it's being offered; it can only reflect what it sees, what you show it. if you present struggle, you are presented with struggle. and when you are presented with struggle for enough time, it becomes an intrinsic value of the belief system with which the sense of struggle is related. you begin to believe your belief necessitates struggle, and even begin to find it honorable! all of it to reinforce the crystallization that you hold so dear, an affection likely due to familiarity and nothing else. you simply haven't ever thought of another way. when you begin thinking about what kind of beliefs and therefor what kind of life you are transmitting, how it is coming back to you, and how YOU can change to make that process more enjoyable, then you have the critical awareness necessary to begin moving toward your true desires.

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kamikazi89

if only it really were all up to me, unfortunatly for all of us it isn't

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