is there really a DEVIL?

seattle420lover · 05-30-2009, 11:12 AM

I am starting this thread because I am really asking do YOU believe in the DEVIL? The reason I am asking is I see so many posts on boards asking if you really believe in GOD. I will say that I probably am a non believer. in either of them. No offense inteaded I am not trying to be disruptive. I am here for peace

pacman · 05-30-2009, 11:27 AM

Im not religious, so i dont believe in the devil. What i do wonder is why people actually believe in the devil. The devil is a scam within the scam of religion. The devil was made up by evangelists scaring people to believe in God and follow their religion.

If God was perfect, omnipotent, w/e...Why would he allow a Devil and a Hell where people would be tortured for all eternity? I believe in the Evil Demon Conjecture from Decartes

dubtrice · 05-30-2009, 12:59 PM

I am the devil

Grieves · 05-30-2009, 01:05 PM

I believe in balance...In that if there is absolute good/absolute faith, then there has to be a counterpoint...I do not believe in beings of absolutes or absolutes in any form so i guess i could say that the manifestation of absolute evil in the form of the being known as the devil does not exist...I do however believe that there are beings capable of action and the judgment of action is up to the perspective of the individual...

Mull D · 05-30-2009, 02:06 PM

i don't believe in the devil or god but I do believe in good and evil. It's hard to describe but you know it when you feel it.

I10HaulR · 05-30-2009, 03:51 PM

Yeah, there is, he was an angel "Iblis" who failed to prostrate before God's creation (Adam) therefore he was cast out of heaven. He asked God if he could hang around until the day God calls us all up for accountability, he agreed. So that's basically the jist of it. So basically "The Devil" tries to pull us away from God, Oneness, through greed, envy, ego, etc. God just wants our praise for creating us, and to do good deeds.

And We created you (humans), then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who made prostration.

He said: "What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee?" (Iblis) said: "I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of clay".

mothernature · 05-30-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by orangepeel

i don't believe in the devil or god but I do believe in good and evil. It's hard to describe but you know it when you feel it.

agree

**Kompressor** · 05-30-2009, 04:17 PM

Kishar · 05-30-2009, 04:23 PM

there is a devil or 'void.' where do you think the souls of rapists, child molesters and cold blooded killers go when they die? if there is a GOD which most of us believe in, in one form or another then we could agree that a loving GOD would have created a place for those souls to stagnate forever or until they see the light.

dubtrice · 05-30-2009, 05:22 PM

god and devil are simply thoughts; heaven and hell are what you make out of your life.

I10HaulR · 05-30-2009, 09:27 PM

Do some of you really believe that there won't be a day when we are all brought up before our creator and judged? Even if I didn't, just the slightest possibility that I could burn in a hell, would lead me to entertain the thought of God and a Devil.

Do you think that evil will be rewarded with good? Or that Good will be rewarded with evil? In a world were every action has a reaction, not having a God and Devil doesn't seem logical.

Human-yo · 05-30-2009, 09:29 PM

wut are u sayin is evil foo

dubtrice · 05-30-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I10HaulR

Do some of you really believe that there won't be a day when we are all brought up before our creator and judged? Even if I didn't, just the slightest possibility that I could burn in a hell, would lead me to entertain the thought of God and a Devil.

Do you think that evil will be rewarded with good? Or that Good will be rewarded with evil? In a world were every action has a reaction, not having a God and Devil doesn't seem logical.

there is no logic when you are coaxed into religion out of fear

Xil · 05-30-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by I10HaulR

Do some of you really believe that there won't be a day when we are all brought up before our creator and judged? Even if I didn't, just the slightest possibility that I could burn in a hell, would lead me to entertain the thought of God and a Devil.

Do you think that evil will be rewarded with good? Or that Good will be rewarded with evil? In a world were every action has a reaction, not having a God and Devil doesn't seem logical.

Why do we need to be judged? Life isn't fair, rewards arent doled out for good behavior. When you do good you need to look for reward in the positive effect you had on the universe. Putting more positive energy out there benefits all, putting in negative energy hurts all.

We're all going to move up together to fall down together. There wont be some group of divine ascending, powerful (superman) going under, or even despicable receiving punishment. In the end the individual is insignificant. Humanity is its own judge and all you can do is your part.

I've heard hell is separation from god. Once you factor in that mankind is its own god (ruled over by the titan that is nature and the universe) you realize that mankind is responsible for itself. We're not renting out our little existence from a deity, we're all working on the same house that we all own together.

/done with discordant nonsense

**SageTree** · 05-30-2009, 10:35 PM

Take note how people asking about God generally post in the Spiritual Smoke or High Thoughts Forum, which is where I'm taking this.

In the arabic understanding origonally the word for Satan only meant Adversary, which is much more paletable to me.

Captdoug713 · 05-31-2009, 12:33 AM

IMO there is no god or devil. In the end the lights just go off. My body becomes what it was, Earth. Our soul is a chemical reaction like all other things in our bodys. Just my thought. We are not wrong in our ideas about the world, just seldom right.

Grieves · 05-31-2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kishar

there is a devil or 'void.' where do you think the souls of rapists, child molesters and cold blooded killers go when they die? if there is a GOD which most of us believe in, in one form or another then we could agree that a loving GOD would have created a place for those souls to stagnate forever or until they see the light.

That only works if you believe in an afterlife, god, etc...

Quote:

Originally Posted by I10HaulR

Do some of you really believe that there won't be a day when we are all brought up before our creator and judged? Even if I didn't, just the slightest possibility that I could burn in a hell, would lead me to entertain the thought of God and a Devil.

Do you think that evil will be rewarded with good? Or that Good will be rewarded with evil? In a world were every action has a reaction, not having a God and Devil doesn't seem logical.

Good and Evil are purely subjective and up to perspective...

Xil · 05-31-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grieves

That only works if you believe in an afterlife, god, etc...

Good and Evil are purely subjective and up to perspective...

how far can you take relativism thoug?. in the end doesnt it defeat any possibility of a greater truth, and thus lend itself to nihilism? (not that theres anything wrong with nihilism (just as theres nothing right with it either

))

Grieves · 05-31-2009, 12:38 PM

all points of view are accepted, there isn't just one perspective or way of being/living/belief, and nothing is static...Everything is ever changing and ever evolving, so why shouldn't beliefs...If anything relativism opens one up to accept all beliefs because they are seen as they are, just perspective of the individual...

Psilocychosis · 05-31-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangepeel

i don't believe in the devil or god but I do believe in good and evil. It's hard to describe but you know it when you feel it.

I understand that completely. Its similar to how I feel as well

05-30-2009, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
seattle420lover YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 433 Thanks: 25 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	is there really a DEVIL? I am starting this thread because I am really asking do YOU believe in the DEVIL? The reason I am asking is I see so many posts on boards asking if you really believe in GOD. I will say that I probably am a non believer. in either of them. No offense inteaded I am not trying to be disruptive. I am here for peace __________________ "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining to an understanding of compassion" SOCRATES, 470-399 BC Last edited by seattle420lover; 05-30-2009 at 11:15 AM.

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	I believe in balance...In that if there is absolute good/absolute faith, then there has to be a counterpoint...I do not believe in beings of absolutes or absolutes in any form so i guess i could say that the manifestation of absolute evil in the form of the being known as the devil does not exist...I do however believe that there are beings capable of action and the judgment of action is up to the perspective of the individual... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

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Mull D Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 455 Thanked 156 Times in 81 Posts	i don't believe in the devil or god but I do believe in good and evil. It's hard to describe but you know it when you feel it. Last edited by Mull D; 05-30-2009 at 02:10 PM.

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Kishar loading user title.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: subcutaneous layer Posts: 2,201 Thanks: 117 Thanked 197 Times in 137 Posts	there is a devil or 'void.' where do you think the souls of rapists, child molesters and cold blooded killers go when they die? if there is a GOD which most of us believe in, in one form or another then we could agree that a loving GOD would have created a place for those souls to stagnate forever or until they see the light. __________________ So, if a stranger walked up to you and poured pebble like seeds into your hand and then said, plant them and your harvest can be made into rope cloth or paper, it could help the sick or intoxicate. What would you say? Would you keep the seeds or chuck them away? RollREDRoll

05-30-2009, 11:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
pacman lets get tropical Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 726 Thanks: 60 Thanked 193 Times in 143 Posts	Im not religious, so i dont believe in the devil. What i do wonder is why people actually believe in the devil. The devil is a scam within the scam of religion. The devil was made up by evangelists scaring people to believe in God and follow their religion. If God was perfect, omnipotent, w/e...Why would he allow a Devil and a Hell where people would be tortured for all eternity? I believe in the Evil Demon Conjecture from Decartes

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dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 417 Thanks: 83 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	I am the devil

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I10HaulR YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 290 Thanks: 112 Thanked 117 Times in 71 Posts	Yeah, there is, he was an angel "Iblis" who failed to prostrate before God's creation (Adam) therefore he was cast out of heaven. He asked God if he could hang around until the day God calls us all up for accountability, he agreed. So that's basically the jist of it. So basically "The Devil" tries to pull us away from God, Oneness, through greed, envy, ego, etc. God just wants our praise for creating us, and to do good deeds. And We created you (humans), then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who made prostration. He said: "What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee?" (Iblis) said: "I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of clay".

05-30-2009, 05:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 417 Thanks: 83 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	god and devil are simply thoughts; heaven and hell are what you make out of your life.

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I10HaulR YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 290 Thanks: 112 Thanked 117 Times in 71 Posts	Do some of you really believe that there won't be a day when we are all brought up before our creator and judged? Even if I didn't, just the slightest possibility that I could burn in a hell, would lead me to entertain the thought of God and a Devil. Do you think that evil will be rewarded with good? Or that Good will be rewarded with evil? In a world were every action has a reaction, not having a God and Devil doesn't seem logical.

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Human-yo Posts: 32,562 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 4,364 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 83 Thanked 105 Times in 76 Posts	wut are u sayin is evil foo __________________ Love, Human Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,617 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,487 Thanked 5,710 Times in 4,025 Posts	Take note how people asking about God generally post in the Spiritual Smoke or High Thoughts Forum, which is where I'm taking this. In the arabic understanding origonally the word for Satan only meant Adversary, which is much more paletable to me. __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

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Captdoug713 Thats my fucknjobasshole! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North America Posts: 1,258 Thanks: 128 Thanked 75 Times in 51 Posts	IMO there is no god or devil. In the end the lights just go off. My body becomes what it was, Earth. Our soul is a chemical reaction like all other things in our bodys. Just my thought. We are not wrong in our ideas about the world, just seldom right. __________________ Don't step on the grass, Sam "Freedom in general may be defined as the absence of obstacles to the realization of desires." Morality is doing whats right no matter what your told. Faith is is doing what your told do matter if its right or wrong. :

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	all points of view are accepted, there isn't just one perspective or way of being/living/belief, and nothing is static...Everything is ever changing and ever evolving, so why shouldn't beliefs...If anything relativism opens one up to accept all beliefs because they are seen as they are, just perspective of the individual... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

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