AlteredStateGrl

I deleted my post because after I realized this was moved to Spiritual Smoke, my post wasn't very Spiritual.

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Being

Well it was a little harsh, but there aren't that many spiritual posts in this thread, feel free to speak your mind though, i do love debate on the issue.

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mothernature

Whatever they want to believe is okay with me, but I resent the intrusion when they knock on my door.

Being

^i totally understand and do agree with you to a certain extent.

sometimes they can be too persistant, i think there does need to be a better, less imposing way to spur religious debate and discussion

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Kishar

i went to catholic church until i was like 15 or 16 then stopped going.

thinking back religion is so corny.

there is a little chruch across the road from my house and like 3 nights a week people come like zombies...i sit on the porch drink beer and laugh. i mean yea the joke could be on me but i doubt it, i really doubt it.

i mean how can anyone live by the bible as if it were written by GOD himself when it was written by man. the stories in the bible are supposedly told by prophets...o.k a prophet is nothing more than a a fortune teller or tarot card reader these days. so we're supposed to believe that...please.

i will say one thing, most people who attend religious service "religiously" usually have a stable life and home. idk why but that's the way it seems.

i have better things to do than go to church 3 nights a week...wtf.

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SageTree

I think you post was fine here. This is a place to debate and critisize matters that are of a spiritual nature. Think of it as Free Spiritual for All. Not everything in here is all proper polite. ie. See JainVeganBuddha's post on Hare Krishna's.

Welcome, to you comments.

In kind
Sage

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^^ @kishar

I agree. I think one should be able to practice their own spirituality and form of religion in their own house if they want to.

I think the formal church or meeting hall should be more of an elective, rather than feeling obliged to go, turning ones-self into a zombie.

I think one should visit all churches and meeting halls and get a taste of all of them, in order to form a true opinion on what is right in their mind.

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SageTree

Wisdom through experience, no?

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AlteredStateGrl

The post I deleted:

I can't f'ing stand JW's. I don't care for any overzelous religious a-holes, however JW's are borderline cult (and i'm being generous with borderline), and are worse than any other religion I've come in contact with.

I have.

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Being

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind the cult thought? Not saying your point of view is invalid, no ones is in the discussion of religion/spirituality, just would like to hear your arguement


exactly

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verklingen

honestly man, what you did is pretty much exactly what jehova's witnesses do: shove their belief in people's faces. but you did it to a small child in pretty much the most abrasive way possible, so it's worse imo.

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christ you couldn't figure out i mean gnostics

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kitch

JWs make terrible drug dealer, all "I'll be over at 3" and son't even pick up their phone after that, then randomly show up at your house at 5:45 and are pissed that you went to some one else. Ok this is only based on one example, but I assume it holds true for all witness drug dealers everywhere.

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CannabWizard

what was she supposed to do? come in and smoke a joint with you??? oh well.. what you did was the same exact thing you accuse the JW of doing "people feel the need to pound their ridiculous beliefs into the mind of a developing child".

I used to be a JW, I was born and raised in the religion. I remember alot of the reasons why they don't celebrate certain holidays and birthdays and they are mostly valid imo. But one thing my family was always iffy about was being persistent in door to door ministry. Knocking on someone's door on Christmas is a bit much. We stopped going due to alot of underlying racial tension in our congregation. Its probably been a good 12 years now and I haven't really looked back since.

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Dr. ShinDig

are you kidding? what I did was almost non existent compared to the daily brainwashing this little girl surely receives.

so it's OK to tell a small child all of this Jehovah crap on a daily basis - but I'm wrong because I took 5 seconds to do my best and off set this girls spiral towards ignorance?

by the time this little girl turns 13, and is able to think rationally about god, spirituality, and the reality of our existence, she will have had this religious BS pounded into her head for nearly a decade by her nutcase mom. More than likely she will not even question her religion because she was brought up believing in it.

How many people out there believe in their respective religions because they were raised to believe?? Think about it.. Would they have chosen to believe if they would have been freshly acquainted with the ideas of their religion when they were old enough to make a rational and logical choice? There's a reason that 5 year olds believe in Santa, because momma says he's real. Momma telling her kid that HER idea of god is real is no different, except of course this belief doesn't go away when one gets older, most are simply sucked in and never get out.

It's wrong.


and I don't just aim this at Jehovah's witnesses, their religion is no more rediculous than christianity. The religion is wrong, why promote spreading this disease to innocent children.. will this madness ever end?
- Well I'm sure as hell going to do my part, in the hopes that one day it will.

Call it wrong if you will, but it sure feels like the right thing to do.

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CannabWizard

Honestly, I agree with you that little children shouldn't have religion pushed on them at such a young age. To be quite honest, alot of the imagery and text growing up as a JW used to have me frightened as a young child, but you can't say the woman is a nutcase. Its abnormal, but in her mind, she feels she is doing what is right. In a sense, you've done the equivalent of telling a child there is no santa though. Thats your belief there is no god, and you've shoved it right into the face of that innocent child. It feels right because you felt justified in doing it. Truthfully, if you don't wish to be bothered by JWs, just inform them you no longer want them to come to your door.

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Sugar420

this is some confused thinking. either you are saying that what you did was right because what others do is more wrong by comparison, or that if its ok for people to push their belief onto children that its ok for you to also push your belief onto a child

Dr. ShinDig

The belief is already being pushed onto this girl, all I did was attempt to offset it a bit..


so you say better to just ignore the whole thing? Oh well if this little girl is raised to believe a bunch of lies right?

passivity = righteousness?

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CannabWizard

well who is to say your beliefs are right? wasn't your place to "offset it a bit".

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pacman

shindig you messed up man. next time, just close the door and leave it. people are people, everyone's got there thing. now, i don't like people going door to door preaching their beliefs, in fact i hate evangelism, but at least most do it in friendly manner. the jehovas are polite, but in front of her mother, you told this little girl to not listen to her mom, and you tried to strip away the only belief she has.

so try to accept that you're wrong this instince, and don't be a dick to someone trying to be nice