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Originally Posted by ThankJesus4Bud [I] am God loves me I love him and believe that Jesus would have been down with MJ. It's a peaceful way to get closer to him.

YES you can. I am a Christian and the reason why I smoke is specifically because of the references found in the Bible. Many Christians will try to save you from this mortal "sin" because they are indoctrinated with Anslinger-esque anti-christ propaganda which mainstream religion has, unfortunately, integrated into doctrine.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience (consciousness) seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats (food, common translation of herb(s)), which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (1Timothy 4:1-3)

"Forbidding to marry" has nothing to do with forbidding interracial marriages or requiring clergy to remain single, etc. It refers to spiritual intimacy; "joining" of your mind with Jesus' mind, that is, with the Father.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1Co 2:16)

And how is it that we acquire the mind of Christ? By faith? By confession?

But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (1Jn 2:20)

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1Jn 2:27)

"Unction" and "anointing" are translated from the Greek word chrisma, which is anointing oil; Moses' qaneh bosem-infused Holy Anointing Oil (Exodus 30:23-25). Qaneh bosem was also the incense for the temple and Tent of Meeting.

But they'll argue with you and say very indignantly that "Qaneh-bosem is NOT cannabis. (GASP!) God would never do such a thing!"

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. (Luke 11:52)

They entered not into where? Into knowledge; Into the mind of Christ. And where exactly do you go (which you already know from experience) when you meditate in the sacred smoke?

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Jesus, Luke 17:21)

Don't let anyone cloud your mind with doctrine, my friend. Only the truth sets us free.

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Originally Posted by The Rev I think it would be a sin to smoke Christians. The buzz would kinda suck, too.

Hahahahahahahahahaha !!!! You crack me up Rev! That's hillarious!

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Originally Posted by the-who? can you not be brainwashed and be a christian? or should I say, can you be into religion and not be brainwashed? IF you answered yes to that, you can answer yes to your other question.

You are referring to religious zealots bound up in doctrine and dogma rather than simple truth. But we won't change minds by accusing them of being brainwashed. Just ask questions in order to help them discover what their dogma is based upon. Chances are they won't have a basis other than popular opinion.

Smoking pot is a sin!
Really? Why do you say that?
God says so!
Really? Where?
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (Eph 5:18)"
Wow, you know your scripture! I agree, but this isn't wine.
It's a mind-altering drug!!!
Prozac is a mind-altering drug. This a natural plant.
Yes, but it's evil!
Really, why do you say that?
The Bible says we must be sober!
You're right. What does that mean?
To not be intoxicated!
Right, with wine, wherein is excess.
With anything!!!
Are you sure? I thought it said with wine.
You can't smoke that and be sober!
But in Greek that means to be circumspect, discreet, moderate and to abstain from wine. And I agree. Excessive alcohol makes people stupid and often violent.
So does that!
Why do you say that? It makes everyone I know peaceful and introspective.
That's because they're stoned!!!
So, let me get this. Being "stoned" is evil because, unlike alcohol, it makes people peaceful. That's... evil?
Yes!!!
Where does it say that?

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Originally Posted by RAINHAZE Im no expert, ..but isnt there something in one of the 4 gospels that quotes Jesus saying something like "It is not what you put into your mouth that defileth, but what comes out of it."

Right on.

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (Matthew 15:11)

BibleGuy

Amen is a Hebrew term of agreement based upon truth. It's like saying, or agreeing, "that's true". It is cognate to Aum, Arum (gold, metaphoric for illumination). Amen is from Hebrew 'Aman, meaning properly to build up or support. Again, it is a reference to foundational truth like Aum is the syllable representing Brahman (God, Truth, the universal name of the Lord, sound of God...) in Hinduism and others. "Brahman ... is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe." -- Wikipedia

Amen is a term of agreement leaning on it's root meaning: foundational truth.

Does anyone know what the "Amen" in Amen-Ra means in Egyptian?

kitch

yeah, but why be a christian anyway?

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BibleGuy

Hi Kitchkinet.

Being a Christian, to me, means following Christ as Master; Teacher; Guru. It doesn't mean following "the church" or any organized religion. In fact, organized "Christianity" can be very offensive. I personally also relate to aspects of Buddhism, Hinduism, Native American and certain "Pagan" ideals in agreement with Christ's teaching. Following Christ does not mean that you have to climb into the box called "Christianity". Christ, on the contrary, is all about freedom from religious tyrrany. He is about oneness with God, and with each other - not adherence to the reigning religious hierarchy.

Plus he has really great herb which helps us understand these things, and that's what brought us both to this forum.

His core teaching is pretty simple:

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(Luke 10:25-28)

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:36-40)

Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Sounds good to me.

BibleGuy

Hi Terry,

The things you listed, although they are found in the Bible, are not by any means the definition of "religious". But that wasn't kitchkinet's question. The question was "yeah, but why be a christian anyway?" which I answered from my point of view, that's all.

I am not promoting any of the things you seem to take issue with. I am here because I'm interested in discussing Spiritual Smoke, which I happen to see from Biblical and other points of view. And I'd rather share a bowl with you than argue about religion. You can believe whatever you like and we can still play in the same sandbox. Ok with you?

SageTree

Nice volley of convo. there folks.

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hijabihippie

"Truly those who have believed, and those who have become Jews, and the Christians and the Sabaens, whoever has believed in God and the Last Day, and is one who has acted in accord with morality, then for them, their compensation is with their Lord; there is neither fear in them nor shall they feel remorse." 2:62 -The Sublime Quran, trans. Bakhtiar

SageTree

Sabians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And interesting read to see the coralations between the groups. Baptism for instance.

I just wanted to get my helenistic geek on for a second.

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