Waves

or maybe consciousness has always existed, as a constant, and the creation of the universe is a result of it expressing itself in a specific way with specific parameters? maybe there are more universes that were created with different parameters that have totally different laws and appearances than ours?

trippy dude.

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Ego Tripping

Most definitely. I've read channellers that speak of the god that 'rules' this universe is just one god of many universes...each with it's distinct nature of laws. Once we reach that level, we can traverse them. Perhaps that's what true evolution is...the being or force that organizes this universe was once just a single meager soul like one of us?

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Waves

i see exactly what your saying, ego, but i personally just dont like the idea of levels and higher and lower. thats sort of what created religion, the idea that there are levels of existence beyond ours and that ours is some sort of "trial." in western theology this is interpreted in terms of morals- you do "good" and you win the "trial" and you get into heaven. in eastern thinking this is in terms of spiritual evolution- you do good deeds, the next time around you will be evolved and at a higher position and the position you are in right now is not ideal.

me, i see every experience of the infinite as truly unique and special in its own right, equally perfect. what we are doing here now, is exactly what we were meant to do, because we are choosing it. putting aspects of judgment into free will fucks it all up- if we're gonna have free will then why judge any one choice or experience as better than another choice or experience? thats how sin came about.

so anyway, the point im trying to make is what if the meager souls that inhabit the universe arent so meager? i see each of us as equally divine creators. i dont think theres a being or force that organizes the universe that exists independent of it. seperation is a true illusion. we ARE the universe, and the universe is us. thats the whole idea behind what ms said:

We are that consciousness. An extension of it, not separate from it. And everything that exists is also an extension of that consciousness. I know youve experienced psychedelics and had that feeling of being "one" with the universe- that imo is how shit works "behind the scenes" of our egos.

Its sort of like the idea that humans dont consider themselves a part of nature- and that we can partake in behavior that is "unnatural." nature is us!

of course this is highly esoteric stuff that no one can prove either way so im just sharing my perspective for conversations sake.

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Ego Tripping

Well yeah, I totally agree with your entire post. I'm just saying...I'm gonna have my own universe to rule at some point and that is fkng awsm.!11

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Waves

word, and my point is you got one to rule right now

say you get to the point where you have your own universe to "rule."

well, it still wouldnt be the same experience as we are having here on earth because you wouldnt rule anything sentinent with free will, like humans, you would just "be." you would be an outside observer with no choices to make for yourself. so that leads me to the question- how does one rule the universe without actually being involved in any of the decisions going on in the universe? if there is some sort of force that is "ruling" us, what does it have to do with us as humans and the decisions we make? what does it have to do with anything that actually exists inside this universe?

just makin discussion is all, i dont mean to attack your beliefs of course

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Ego Tripping

I find it to be more of a design that you construct and then let loose. I design websites for people, but once I am done with the hands on, the customer then takes over and creates what they want. It's like, "ruling" (which is probably the wrong word, perhaps 'creating' is more appropriate) a Universe is really about laying the foundation. Of course you are engaged to the very last drop, but there is a free will amongst your creation.

Of course, I have no fuckin' clue man, you're right, I'm right, we're all right. All I know, is I am bigger than this body and you're entirely right...and I have a universe to attend to. And currently, that universe wants to get high and make some music.

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Center

lol...ROCK ON!



I just got the picture of you like ruling an empire from your starship like Dark Siddious in Star Wars...

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Ego Tripping

Heh...I could never really do that, too much of a softy.

Picture me on top of a crystal mountain, emanating an orb of light that creates the atmosphere for all the lil' peepz below...that's more my style.

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Center

Sounds awesome.

Ego : Is the light more powerful then the dark? Does light always have to give way to darkness eventually? Is a black hole just an awe inspiring as those crystal orbs that bring light?

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Ego Tripping

In terms of how human beings use the two forces, I think darkness and light are eternally equal, but Light tends to be more powerful since it gains it's power through Unity/Truth/Love while darkness relies in secrecy and cleverness/deception. Light binds things together to create power and strength through cooperation and mutual beneficial gain, while darkness seeks to hold the power within itself and only give with the expectation of receiving much more in return (Star Wars is a great example of how the darkness thinks its more powerful but in reality it is constantly being ursurped by the very means it used to gain the power in the first place).

I find it really interested that through all the near death experiences I've read over the years, when someone immediately passes, they sometimes find themselves in a 'void' that is just solid darkness...but most of the times its a peaceful feeling. Then, far away, a light is sighted and it begins to grow.

The blackholes are completely awe inspiring, but I feel that the source of all our 'beingness' stems to the light that resided in the darkness. I do beleive that darkness was first and then came light, but the light was the flame of self awareness. So it can be inferred that darkness might be unconcious of itself while Light is aware of its very own existence (and the darkness' existence as well). I find this alone to lend creedence to that Light is darkness 'evolved.'

And one last analogy, I also find it interesting that you can't make a room darker but you an always make it brighter. If you are in a giant werehouse that is pitch black, all it takes is one small candle to extinguish it. Also, if you were to open the door to the wherehouse, darkness does not rush out, but rather light rushes in.

Gah, this was a very badly put together rant. Sorry!

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to me it all comes down to our ability to choose. this alone assures "light" the "advantage" imo

i'm right with ego about this light business. i've heard light described as a "flavoring," like the packet of sugar you put in your tea. it permeates, penetrates. . . the impression is impossible to escape. it is this property which i feel drives the dichotomy we perceive between light and dark. the choice always stares you in the face, becoming, for some, all the harder to withstand. but the ability is broken soon after the desire fades, for capitulation is imminent and refusal soon spells doom. it cannot be avoided. . . a minor devoted segment can saturate the whole with light.

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Mydriasis

I can't believe I missed this thread and/or never heard this information before. Very interesting.

Verklingen I agree the power of choice is so important.

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Center

All light is surrounded by darkness and light must always extinguish, right? If so is striving to constantly bath in light a pursuit that ultimately leads to destruction?

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Mydriasis

^ yes, look at drug addicts, ego maniacs, some examples. I think its more of a battle of a balancing light and dark so that you stay some-were in the middle.

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