The Truth - Page 2

420smokeman · 11-08-2009, 04:21 PM

truth is not relative..Feelings and opinions change.....truth does not! truth is what was before existance itself and will be after existance, can never be destryed! and is in everything...even all the ideas and thoughts and mind are in truth.. humans have evolved enough to be able to reconize truth... cause we strayed away from it in some ways.. and as you reconize it you become it and live it.

Ego Tripping · 11-08-2009, 04:35 PM

The truth is eternal, but the perception of such is relative. That's the reason for the existence of truth's (love's) eternal nature. In other words...one destination, but infinite roads which lead to it.

420smokeman · 11-08-2009, 04:40 PM

the perception of truth is relative only if "you" are in seperation from it. AKA ego...theres only one ego. only one truth. one life.. see humans are on a giant ego trip.. all time is spent building up ego thinking its who you are and working to defend it. who you are can never be destoyed. bring on armeggedon AKA the unveiling!!!

Ego Tripping · 11-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Even the ego will lead back to truth because truth is the essence of all things, and that includes the ego as well. There is no separation, only perceived separation. All is divine and in harmony. And armageddon is a state of mind, silly man. There will be an unveiling, but it's far from apocalyptic. That's just accepting the fear mongering of religion. No, the unveiling will be a joyous thing for those that seek joy and will be apocalypse for those who seem armageddon. You enjoy your armageddon, though and good luck with that.

420smokeman · 11-08-2009, 05:14 PM

armageddon is when humans build up society and ego and so called life sooo much on lies and defend it to the cost of the truth. untill it falls cause all empires and lies fall and everything changes.. the only thing constant is truth...but theres allways mini armegeedons happeing.. certin expirences on entheogens come to mind..

Waves · 11-08-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 420smokeman

truth is not relative..Feelings and opinions change.....truth does not! truth is what was before existance itself and will be after existance, can never be destryed! and is in everything...even all the ideas and thoughts and mind are in truth.. humans have evolved enough to be able to reconize truth... cause we strayed away from it in some ways.. and as you reconize it you become it and live it.

hate to break your bubble but feelings and opinions are all humans have, its our perception of the world that is real to us, and that perception is inherently subjective in nature. my truths are different from your truths.

even on things we agree, like gravity, we each perceive those things and relate to those things in our own individual way unique to us. our beliefs are as different as our fingerprints. they may seem similar but zoom in and they are unique to us.

if truth objectively existed i dont think it would possible to disagree. what i think exists are a bunch of different perceptions of what we believe 'truth' to be

this knowledge is NOT limiting in nature, or meant to discount anyone elses truth. actually on the contrary, we are SUPPOSED to have our own perceptions and opinions and truths. its a way for consciousness to develop complexity and novelty. when we all see life the same way we all relate to it the same and approach it the same. when we are given our unique perceptions and beliefs we are free to live as we choose.

420smokeman · 11-08-2009, 05:45 PM

truth also has free will in it.. the abillity to disagree.. to have ideas and thoughts. if theres a you seperate its not in truth.. truth is not purley subjective. if there was no objective truth existance couldent be. subjective lies/truths can lead you to the one objective truth tho.. which is who you are what everything is and is all that really exists...so really objective and subjective are one... and to egotrippin... yes the unveiling will be joyus to thoes in truth and hard for thoes in fear and lies.. i welcome it with open arms ahah.. i dont thin armeggedon is apocalyptic except mabey to thoes who live in lie and built lies upon lie to keep there lies sustained.. its the unveiling of truth

Ego Tripping · 11-08-2009, 09:36 PM

Yeah, I think we're in agreement, brother.

I welcome truth's entrance in all it's glory. I know I cannot be destroyed because I am open to whatever is. Truth is what I desire and I am happy to be humbled by whatever delusion I felt "truth" is/was.

Ultimately, I seek understanding in whatever form it comes in...and thus, I feel it will come with ease and most importantly, grace.

FPGP · 11-09-2009, 06:11 AM

true dat

celestialpillow · 11-17-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 420smokeman

There is only one truth.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

true, there is one truth...

yet, if be we are to beautifully believe there is higher than eternal, and there is, heaven is opened up to the idea that there can be a girl angelic messiah and a messiah in heaven that can speak to us here on earth.

...essentially Jesus has a messiah in heaven, and because that world is so perfect in heaven that the messiah and girl messiah get to make love "innocently nakedly innocent" before all in heaven that wish to watch

cool idea huh?

lets hope

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Indeed, but it always works on a personal level, that's the beauty of it.

And dude, everything is relative.

so what ure saying is that through mien of life we find solace in our emotions!

awesome

hope you were saying something along the path of this personality

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Originally Posted by 420smokeman

the perception of truth is relative only if "you" are in seperation from it. AKA ego...theres only one ego. only one truth. one life.. see humans are on a giant ego trip.. all time is spent building up ego thinking its who you are and working to defend it. who you are can never be destoyed. bring on armeggedon AKA the unveiling!!!

relative seeks the freewill of "sugar dreams" - say a baby being born that os to become within/without(john lennon style) the dance of a culture. The relation flows to soemting higher than the ego. The ego learns to be like endless girl Ben-kenobis teaching every child that looks up to the sky and over to california from any southern church.

Imagine to pray! Pretent to pray in the style of children!

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Originally Posted by 420smokeman
truth is not relative..Feelings and opinions change.....truth does not! truth is what was before existance itself and will be after existance, can never be destryed! and is in everything...even all the ideas and thoughts and mind are in truth.. humans have evolved enough to be able to reconize truth... cause we strayed away from it in some ways.. and as you reconize it you become it and live it.

.................... .................... ......

to you is Truth the style of a place higher than heaven?

420smokeman · 11-18-2009, 09:21 AM

Truth is truth.. heaven is whats seen when "you" are in truth (uncondition love)(god). you relize you were always in heaven and nothing but heaven exists and that is who you are..everything else is a illusion created by thought and ego and mind. there is no end.. only truth...truth is the end of everything, and the relization that there is only truth, and everythign is it... and when the ego merges with truth it is pure bliss, as you relize you are all that exists.... basiclly finding death before it finds you, and then you become a manifestation of truth itself in the physical.... like jesus and buddah and krishna

Ego Tripping · 11-18-2009, 01:42 PM

^ In other words...'S'all good."

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finding death before it finds you

Word. And yet 'finding death' is actually finding true life!

hijabihippie · 11-19-2009, 07:38 AM

"It's all good. It's all God."
--unknown

"Thou art God."
--Robert Heinlein, Stranger In A Strange Land

**SageTree** · 11-19-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hijabihippie

"It's all good. It's all God."
--unknown

"Thou art God."
--Robert Heinlein, Stranger In A Strange Land

reminds me of a quote too.

'If you can't see God in All, you don't see God at all.' -unknown

Not trying to be absolutist here, just one I like.

Thanks for letting me share.

hijabihippie · 11-20-2009, 08:11 AM

I like it.
It's succinct.
Thanks for sharing it.

**SageTree** · 11-20-2009, 09:15 AM

wow no one has ever called anything I've said, succinct. You've read my posts for crying out loud. The words in my vocab, but not my life enough, and that is my constant practice.

Kompressor is my inspiration for that.

verklingen · 11-20-2009, 09:18 AM

i've struggled with it too, sage

it's just that my excitement is sometimes so easily translatable into flowery language

hijabihippie · 11-20-2009, 09:25 AM

I have the exact opposite problem.

hijabihippie · 11-20-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SageTree

wow no one has ever called anything I've said, succinct. You've read my posts for crying out loud. The words in my vocab, but not my life enough, and that is my constant practice.

Kompressor is my inspiration for that.

"Keep it simple, sweetheart."
--AA

**SageTree** · 11-20-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hijabihippie

I have the exact opposite problem.

Noted example

11-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
420smokeman CannabisConnoisseur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 202 Thanked 149 Times in 100 Posts	truth is not relative..Feelings and opinions change.....truth does not! truth is what was before existance itself and will be after existance, can never be destryed! and is in everything...even all the ideas and thoughts and mind are in truth.. humans have evolved enough to be able to reconize truth... cause we strayed away from it in some ways.. and as you reconize it you become it and live it. __________________ cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself Last edited by 420smokeman; 11-08-2009 at 04:33 PM.

11-08-2009, 04:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	The truth is eternal, but the perception of such is relative. That's the reason for the existence of truth's (love's) eternal nature. In other words...one destination, but infinite roads which lead to it. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

11-08-2009, 04:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
420smokeman CannabisConnoisseur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 202 Thanked 149 Times in 100 Posts	the perception of truth is relative only if "you" are in seperation from it. AKA ego...theres only one ego. only one truth. one life.. see humans are on a giant ego trip.. all time is spent building up ego thinking its who you are and working to defend it. who you are can never be destoyed. bring on armeggedon AKA the unveiling!!! __________________ cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself Last edited by 420smokeman; 11-08-2009 at 05:10 PM.

11-08-2009, 05:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Even the ego will lead back to truth because truth is the essence of all things, and that includes the ego as well. There is no separation, only perceived separation. All is divine and in harmony. And armageddon is a state of mind, silly man. There will be an unveiling, but it's far from apocalyptic. That's just accepting the fear mongering of religion. No, the unveiling will be a joyous thing for those that seek joy and will be apocalypse for those who seem armageddon. You enjoy your armageddon, though and good luck with that. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

11-08-2009, 05:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
420smokeman CannabisConnoisseur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 202 Thanked 149 Times in 100 Posts	armageddon is when humans build up society and ego and so called life sooo much on lies and defend it to the cost of the truth. untill it falls cause all empires and lies fall and everything changes.. the only thing constant is truth...but theres allways mini armegeedons happeing.. certin expirences on entheogens come to mind.. __________________ cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself Last edited by 420smokeman; 11-08-2009 at 06:47 PM.

11-08-2009, 05:45 PM	#27 (permalink)
420smokeman CannabisConnoisseur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 202 Thanked 149 Times in 100 Posts	truth also has free will in it.. the abillity to disagree.. to have ideas and thoughts. if theres a you seperate its not in truth.. truth is not purley subjective. if there was no objective truth existance couldent be. subjective lies/truths can lead you to the one objective truth tho.. which is who you are what everything is and is all that really exists...so really objective and subjective are one... and to egotrippin... yes the unveiling will be joyus to thoes in truth and hard for thoes in fear and lies.. i welcome it with open arms ahah.. i dont thin armeggedon is apocalyptic except mabey to thoes who live in lie and built lies upon lie to keep there lies sustained.. its the unveiling of truth __________________ cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself Last edited by 420smokeman; 11-08-2009 at 06:58 PM.

11-08-2009, 09:36 PM	#28 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Yeah, I think we're in agreement, brother. I welcome truth's entrance in all it's glory. I know I cannot be destroyed because I am open to whatever is. Truth is what I desire and I am happy to be humbled by whatever delusion I felt "truth" is/was. Ultimately, I seek understanding in whatever form it comes in...and thus, I feel it will come with ease and most importantly, grace. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

11-09-2009, 06:11 AM	#29 (permalink)
FPGP YaHookan Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	true dat

11-18-2009, 09:21 AM	#31 (permalink)
420smokeman CannabisConnoisseur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 202 Thanked 149 Times in 100 Posts	Truth is truth.. heaven is whats seen when "you" are in truth (uncondition love)(god). you relize you were always in heaven and nothing but heaven exists and that is who you are..everything else is a illusion created by thought and ego and mind. there is no end.. only truth...truth is the end of everything, and the relization that there is only truth, and everythign is it... and when the ego merges with truth it is pure bliss, as you relize you are all that exists.... basiclly finding death before it finds you, and then you become a manifestation of truth itself in the physical.... like jesus and buddah and krishna __________________ cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself Last edited by 420smokeman; 11-18-2009 at 09:29 AM.

11-19-2009, 07:38 AM	#33 (permalink)
hijabihippie YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,481 Thanks: 1,152 Thanked 655 Times in 515 Posts	"It's all good. It's all God." --unknown "Thou art God." --Robert Heinlein, Stranger In A Strange Land

11-20-2009, 08:11 AM	#35 (permalink)
hijabihippie YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,481 Thanks: 1,152 Thanked 655 Times in 515 Posts	I like it. It's succinct. Thanks for sharing it.

11-20-2009, 09:15 AM	#36 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,767 Times in 4,664 Posts	wow no one has ever called anything I've said, succinct. You've read my posts for crying out loud. The words in my vocab, but not my life enough, and that is my constant practice. Kompressor is my inspiration for that. __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

11-20-2009, 09:18 AM	#37 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	i've struggled with it too, sage it's just that my excitement is sometimes so easily translatable into flowery language __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

11-20-2009, 09:25 AM	#38 (permalink)
hijabihippie YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,481 Thanks: 1,152 Thanked 655 Times in 515 Posts	I have the exact opposite problem.

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