The real 2012- a new beginning

Waves · 11-18-2009, 05:49 PM

Despite Hollywood hype, believers in Mayan cycle say 2012 is not the end of the world | Oregon Living - - Oregonlive.com

Maxson, who's spoken to a few groups interested in 2012, patiently explains the myriad details of the Mayan long calendar. He admires their astronomical knowledge and mathematical skill. He marvels that a culture that thrived between A.D. 300 and A.D. 900 saw itself in the midst of a time cycle that began in 3114 B.C., would end in A.D. 2012 and then -- as cycles do -- begin again.

"It's not the end of the world," Maxson says, "it's the end of a cycle."

He agrees with John Major Jenkins, a Colorado writer who's published 10 books about the Mayans. Jenkins argues that the significance of 2012 rests on a galactic alignment, in which the sun and Earth will line up with the center of the Milky Way. As the alignment approaches, Maxson expects life on Earth to be unsettled for a while.

"Personally, I believe in a shift," Maxson says, "that we'll become less materialistic and more spiritual. I believe in the balance of yin and yang and this is a balancing -- on a huge, huge scale."

Anyone else agree? I do.

msicidron · 11-18-2009, 07:18 PM

yes i do

Cerpin Taxt · 11-18-2009, 08:51 PM

I'm hoping

Ego Tripping · 11-18-2009, 09:27 PM

First this:

Failed end of the world predictions from 30 to 1920 CE

and this....

Quote:

Prophet: Jan Matthys

Date of doom: April 5, 1534

Revised dates: None

Apocalypse how?: The Second Coming and the punishment of sinners

What went down: Amid widespread religious and class warfare in central Europe, insurgent, apocalyptic Anabaptists had taken control of the German city of Münster. Their leader, Jan Matthys, declared the city the “New Jerusalem,” expelling or forcibly baptizing nonbelievers, and decreed all property to be communally held. Matthys predicted that the Apocalypse would come on Easter Sunday, and God would judge the wicked. That day, he led a small group of armed men against the army besieging the city. Matthys and his band turned out not to be invincible, and were hacked to pieces. The next year, Münster fell, and the remaining Anabaptist leaders were tortured, executed and displayed in these cages, which still hang outside the Church of St. Lambert.

Name: The Great Disappointment

Prophet: William Miller

Date of doom: Between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844

Revised dates: April 18, 1844, and Oct. 22, 1844.

Apocalypse how?: The Returned Christ

What went down: This might be the most touching failed prophecy ever. Millerism was an acutely eschatological strain of Baptism that emerged in upstate New York during the Second Great Awakening (the same time and place that produced Mormonism). Its founder, William Miller, believed that, with a close reading of the Bible, he could pinpoint the Second Coming. By beginning his count at 457 B.C. and taking the biblical “days” to mean “years,” Miller settled on some time between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. When the window closed, with no sign of the savior, he revised to April 18, 1844, then again to Oct. 22. But still no sign. Wrote follower Henry Emmons, “I waited all Tuesday, and dear Jesus did not come … I lay prostrate for 2 days without any pain — sick with disappointment.”

Since 1844, Millerism has evolved into Seventh-day Adventism, which tends to be more cautious about getting followers’ hopes up.

* Name: The Great Mennonite Trek

Prophet: Claas Epp

Date of doom: March 8, 1889

Revised date: Sometime in 1891

Apocalypse how?: Our Savior of Uzbekistan

What went down: Following Claas Epp, a Prussian-born Russian preacher, a group of 100 families of Russian Mennonites spent 1880 marching 2,000 miles across Eurasia to Uzbekistan. It was there, Epp had told his followers, that they would greet the returned Christ on March 8, 1889, as a “bride community.” No dice, of course, so, like Miller, he revised. 1891 would be the year.

Epp died in 1913, excommunicated, miserable and probably afflicted with schizophrenia. Little trace remains in Uzbekistan of the Mennonites.

* Name: Mrs. Keech’s Prophecy

Prophet: Marion Keech

Date of doom: Dec. 21, 1954

Revised dates: None

Apocalypse how?: A great flood, plus some aliens

What went down: This was a small UFO cult, centered around a Chicago woman named Marion Keech. It would be unremarkable, but for its service as the subject of a famous study. Keech claimed to channel Guardians from the planet Clarion, who predicted an apocalyptic flood, but promised to rescue cult members on the appointed day. A group of pioneering social psychologists, led by Leon Festinger, infiltrated the group in advance of the date. Their resulting book, “When Prophecy Fails,” showed the followers’ contortions to avoid facing overwhelming disproof. After several explanations, the cult finally settled on the idea that a new message from Clarion had arrived, with the information that the group’s own faith and goodwill had saved the world from destruction. Festinger et al., meanwhile, had laid a foundation for modern social psychology.

* Name: 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Is in 1988

Prophet: Edgar C. Whisenant

Date of doom: Rosh Hashana, 1988

Revised dates: Rosh Hashana 1989; Rosh Hashana 1990; Rosh Hashana 1991; Rosh Hashana 1992; Rosh Hashana 1993

Apocalypse how?: The Lord raptures his faithful, and the End Times begin

What went down: This book, by Edgar C. Whisenant, took a “Rapture Ready”-style indexing approach to the end times, and found time was up. It was immensely popular among evangelicals. At RaptureReady.com, Todd Strandberg writes, “I personally had friends who were measuring themselves for wings.”

* Name: X-Day

Prophet: Rev. Ivan Stang

Date of doom: July 5, 1998

Revised date: Every subsequent July 5

Apocalypse how?: A combination of aliens and clowns

What went down: What apocalypse you believe in depends on what subculture you call home. The New Agers have 2012, the evangelicals have the rapture. X-Day, which fell on July 5, 1998, was the hipster day of reckoning, in the wholly ironic nerd cult called the Church of the SubGenius. (Sample: “There are TWO species of ‘intelligent’ life on earth. There are the mere Humans, descendants of some decadent primate; and then there are the SubGenii, JHVH-1’s prime breeding stock and descendants of the proud Yeti.”)

* Name: Y2K

Prophet: The Internet

Date of doom: Jan. 1, 2000

Revised date: None

Apocalypse how?: Planes fall from the sky, power plants melt down, etc.

What went down: We were having such a good decade, surfing high on the dot-com wave, basking in a string of preposterous national cultural events. Something just had to go wrong. These computers — they were going to betray us, and at the very moment when the future would be now: Jan. 1, 2000.

* Name: Chevlai shel Mashiach

Prophet: Yeshua

Date of doom: May 21, 2011

Revised date: Dec. 21, 2011

Apocalypse how?: An especially Jewish Jesus returns to honor God’s covenant with the Chosen

What will go down: The Messianic Jews are Jewish fundamentalists who also happen to believe that Jesus — or in their preferred Hebrew, Yeshua — was the Messiah, and that when he comes back he will kick some Gentile butt.

* Name: 2012

Prophet: Daniel Pinchbeck; ancient Mayan astronomers; Roland Emmerich

Date of doom: Dec. 21, 2012

Revised date: Dec. 23, 2012

Apocalypse how?: We run out of days allotted to us by the ancient Mayan gods

And finally...

10 failed doomsday predictions - LiveScience- msnbc.com

2012 is a shift, but it's already happening and has been for a while. 2000-2015 is more accurate. We're in the midst of a sea change in how we relate to everything from our environment and communities to our planet and the universe itself. And people always think great change = great catastrophe. Quite the opposite, as all our "predictions" have proven. We're just building the human consciousness database and it's about to reach a whole new level of complexity (and then keep going).

Cerpin Taxt · 11-18-2009, 09:27 PM

Truly interesting times to be alive

José · 11-19-2009, 12:14 AM

I do.

Bearsy · 11-19-2009, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waves

"Personally, I believe in a shift," Maxson says, "that we'll become less materialistic and more spiritual. I believe in the balance of yin and yang and this is a balancing -- on a huge, huge scale."

That's what I've been saying for quite a while.
I don't think anything will happen but if it does, it's this.

verklingen · 11-19-2009, 07:48 AM

but the world IS ending! the old world of corruption, oppression, and lies. people have an intuitive sense of this, i feel, and depending on their belief systems it can manifest anything from nagging fear to unquenchable hope. i've run the gamut, and proven to myself that the world reflects a 1:1 representation of what you believe yourself to be seeing.

i remember wayyyy back, when i was very young like 5 or 6 and used to watch documentaries on discovery channel with my dad all the time, 2012 would be brought up on occasion. it used to seem so far away, but i felt lucky that i'd be around to see what all the fuss is about. well i'm not waiting anymore

catastrophe · 11-19-2009, 08:28 AM

I definitely do.

Mydriasis · 11-19-2009, 08:43 AM

YouTube - Don Alejandro Mayan message to the world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAvF...eature=related

**SageTree** · 11-19-2009, 12:09 PM

I saw a preview for that movie on the big screen.

Why would anyone want to see this? It looks to be a crier for sure.

I don't think that is the message and what you bolded is much closer to what I picture.

Humans want connection at heart, and this movie/concept is just a way to express that tragic longing to find something to all get along about.

I think we are standing in a river asking for a glass of water personally on this matter.

Let's make 2013 calendars and start selling them NOW!? Who is with me?

Qui-Bong Jinn · 11-19-2009, 08:27 PM

Y'all gotta look at things positively, 2012 is the year marijuana is legalized worldwide.

celestialpillow · 11-20-2009, 11:22 PM

there have been many threads on yahooka if i can remember rightly.

The personality of the planet is aligning with the celestial stars and rightly people would hope that a new hippyland era would be birthed. In hope we will all be illuminated and glowy enlightened to how to love in a more special way, open up to pure emotions beyond love.

I hope that the hippyland era was a taste of what is to come after 2012.

maybe at the center of hte milkyway galaxy is a star-being that is beyond light. That is what I believe and for this truth, beings connceted around the world with emotions for all of earth may learn from the center of the milky way we hope, and many eath like planets may teach earth. wow!

I have heard an "aura call" from a girl very far away from earth, twas I believd in elation from a sweet galaxy neighboring milky way galaxy, however the "aura call" may have come from somewhere in the milky way galaxy.
Such a reverbation gives me hope that the mayans were also recieving spiritual awakenings first and then decided to give later societies a map that used math an whatnot to point out the stars.

Man in Black · 11-22-2009, 05:20 PM

Thanks, Ego. that is what I like to mention when people bring up 2012, end of days predictions have been being made for a long, long time, and we're still here.

what really makes me kind of sigh is when people who recognize themselves as "Christians" insist that the world is going to end in 2012..if they would check the scripture themselves it clearly says that only God knows when the world will end, not even Jesus knows.

not saying you can't be a Christian and believe that the world will end in 2012but I am of the firm belief that no human soul knows when the world is going to end, if history has proven anything.

even if you look at it from a scientific point of view, odds are it will all happen abruptly and all of the sudden anyhow.

edit-the overall point, don't fear the inevitable. and certainly don't fear something that has been hyped up by the media more than anything in recent history.

The Rev · 11-23-2009, 06:06 AM

2012 is the year Sarah Palin is elected to the Presidency. It IS the apoxyclipse.

The Rev

Waves · 11-23-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerpin Taxt

I'm hoping

its funny that all this 2012 stuff is coinciding with stuff like peak oil and global warming that has the potential to change the way we all live our lives forever. i think we've been horrible to ourselves and our planet thus far, we've been living frivolously and wastefully, and now we either can peacefully find ways to advance ourselves, or suffer the consequences of our behavior. in other words, change is going to happen the easy way or the hard way. not just on a material physical level but these changes all affect the way we think about and approach the world. think about how much tv and entertainment affects your psyche on a daily basis, you know? imagine all that shit being gone, what humans would do.

check out this joe rogan clip

Dailymotion - Joe Rogan Stand-Up: Idiots of the Past, Present and Future - a Funny video

joe rogan is admittedly a cynical bastard (i love my comedians cynical, see bill hicks) but he gets a good point across dont ya think?

Debaser · 11-23-2009, 10:33 PM

This is where I first heard about 2012, probably about 12 years ago, interesting stuff.

Timewave Zero

Waves · 11-23-2009, 10:37 PM

yeah thats good shit. mckenna as smart fella.

hey that sorta rhymes

420smokeman · 11-25-2009, 06:43 PM

YouTube - 2012 TerenceMckenna

Cerpin Taxt · 11-26-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waves

its funny that all this 2012 stuff is coinciding with stuff like peak oil and global warming that has the potential to change the way we all live our lives forever. i think we've been horrible to ourselves and our planet thus far, we've been living frivolously and wastefully, and now we either can peacefully find ways to advance ourselves, or suffer the consequences of our behavior. in other words, change is going to happen the easy way or the hard way. not just on a material physical level but these changes all affect the way we think about and approach the world. think about how much tv and entertainment affects your psyche on a daily basis, you know? imagine all that shit being gone, what humans would do.

check out this joe rogan clip

Dailymotion - Joe Rogan Stand-Up: Idiots of the Past, Present and Future - a Funny video

joe rogan is admittedly a cynical bastard (i love my comedians cynical, see bill hicks) but he gets a good point across dont ya think?

That was awesome man, thanks a lot!

It really is true though... change IS going to come, whether or not it's the easy way or the hard way. Let's be honest (and rightly cynical) though, the odds are heavily stacked in the latter's favour.

11-18-2009, 05:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	The real 2012- a new beginning Despite Hollywood hype, believers in Mayan cycle say 2012 is not the end of the world \| Oregon Living - - Oregonlive.com Maxson, who's spoken to a few groups interested in 2012, patiently explains the myriad details of the Mayan long calendar. He admires their astronomical knowledge and mathematical skill. He marvels that a culture that thrived between A.D. 300 and A.D. 900 saw itself in the midst of a time cycle that began in 3114 B.C., would end in A.D. 2012 and then -- as cycles do -- begin again. "It's not the end of the world," Maxson says, "it's the end of a cycle." He agrees with John Major Jenkins, a Colorado writer who's published 10 books about the Mayans. Jenkins argues that the significance of 2012 rests on a galactic alignment, in which the sun and Earth will line up with the center of the Milky Way. As the alignment approaches, Maxson expects life on Earth to be unsettled for a while. "Personally, I believe in a shift," Maxson says, "that we'll become less materialistic and more spiritual. I believe in the balance of yin and yang and this is a balancing -- on a huge, huge scale." Anyone else agree? I do. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

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msicidron vibing Join Date: May 2007 Location: North America Posts: 959 Thanks: 229 Thanked 157 Times in 122 Posts	yes i do __________________ \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|

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Cerpin Taxt Yahookan Zealot Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,213 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 843 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,011 Posts	I'm hoping __________________ Step Back. Evaluate. Recognize. "All memory is really a form of regurgitation of undigested experience." -Alan Watts

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Cerpin Taxt Yahookan Zealot Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,213 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 843 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,011 Posts	Truly interesting times to be alive __________________ Step Back. Evaluate. Recognize. "All memory is really a form of regurgitation of undigested experience." -Alan Watts

11-19-2009, 07:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	but the world IS ending! the old world of corruption, oppression, and lies. people have an intuitive sense of this, i feel, and depending on their belief systems it can manifest anything from nagging fear to unquenchable hope. i've run the gamut, and proven to myself that the world reflects a 1:1 representation of what you believe yourself to be seeing. i remember wayyyy back, when i was very young like 5 or 6 and used to watch documentaries on discovery channel with my dad all the time, 2012 would be brought up on occasion. it used to seem so far away, but i felt lucky that i'd be around to see what all the fuss is about. well i'm not waiting anymore __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

11-19-2009, 12:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
José YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,363 Thanks: 62 Thanked 147 Times in 72 Posts	I do.

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catastrophe intuēri Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesotaaa Posts: 1,235 Thanks: 727 Thanked 226 Times in 155 Posts	I definitely do. __________________ “Liƒë Is a Drëam, From Which Wë First Must Wakë Bëƒorë Wë May Drëam Again…” RIP Gov “To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour.”

11-19-2009, 12:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,767 Times in 4,664 Posts	I saw a preview for that movie on the big screen. Why would anyone want to see this? It looks to be a crier for sure. I don't think that is the message and what you bolded is much closer to what I picture. Humans want connection at heart, and this movie/concept is just a way to express that tragic longing to find something to all get along about. I think we are standing in a river asking for a glass of water personally on this matter. Let's make 2013 calendars and start selling them NOW!? Who is with me? __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

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Qui-Bong Jinn Jedi High Council Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 2,121 Thanks: 905 Thanked 496 Times in 368 Posts	Y'all gotta look at things positively, 2012 is the year marijuana is legalized worldwide.

11-20-2009, 11:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
celestialpillow YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 126 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts	there have been many threads on yahooka if i can remember rightly. The personality of the planet is aligning with the celestial stars and rightly people would hope that a new hippyland era would be birthed. In hope we will all be illuminated and glowy enlightened to how to love in a more special way, open up to pure emotions beyond love. I hope that the hippyland era was a taste of what is to come after 2012. maybe at the center of hte milkyway galaxy is a star-being that is beyond light. That is what I believe and for this truth, beings connceted around the world with emotions for all of earth may learn from the center of the milky way we hope, and many eath like planets may teach earth. wow! I have heard an "aura call" from a girl very far away from earth, twas I believd in elation from a sweet galaxy neighboring milky way galaxy, however the "aura call" may have come from somewhere in the milky way galaxy. Such a reverbation gives me hope that the mayans were also recieving spiritual awakenings first and then decided to give later societies a map that used math an whatnot to point out the stars.

11-22-2009, 05:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Man in Black willie d Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dayton,ohio Posts: 4,817 Thanks: 3,200 Thanked 1,348 Times in 896 Posts	Thanks, Ego. that is what I like to mention when people bring up 2012, end of days predictions have been being made for a long, long time, and we're still here. what really makes me kind of sigh is when people who recognize themselves as "Christians" insist that the world is going to end in 2012..if they would check the scripture themselves it clearly says that only God knows when the world will end, not even Jesus knows. not saying you can't be a Christian and believe that the world will end in 2012but I am of the firm belief that no human soul knows when the world is going to end, if history has proven anything. even if you look at it from a scientific point of view, odds are it will all happen abruptly and all of the sudden anyhow. edit-the overall point, don't fear the inevitable. and certainly don't fear something that has been hyped up by the media more than anything in recent history. __________________ When I was arrested I was dressed in black.

11-23-2009, 06:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,860 Thanks: 5,012 Thanked 5,416 Times in 2,862 Posts	2012 is the year Sarah Palin is elected to the Presidency. It IS the apoxyclipse. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

11-23-2009, 10:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Debaser Baked Fresh Daily Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,186 Thanks: 32 Thanked 303 Times in 177 Posts	This is where I first heard about 2012, probably about 12 years ago, interesting stuff. Timewave Zero __________________ Wouldn't it be great to heal the world with only a song? Message CM47: Let's go pay some hookers to knock our junk around.

11-23-2009, 10:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	yeah thats good shit. mckenna as smart fella. hey that sorta rhymes __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

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