celestialpillow

I have a feeling in my heart all the time that there is a realm above heaven. I have spoken to angels though people and am aware that there is an angel messiah in heaven there to take us to a higher realm once we get there to heaven.

So to me there is beyond perfection, and all life reaches this loveliness. So there is beyond emotional love, beyond emotion in its self.

One heart becomes infinite hearts, becomes eternal heart and beyond, and then there are all the spiraling colours of the flowers, Beauty, someting that is eternal in selfness...beauty is eternal, so there is eternal beauty.

"Guide the vision to heaven"

Ego Tripping

Oh, I think there are many, many realms beyond the spiritual receiving station for Earth called "heaven."

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Qui-Bong Jinn

Heaven don't exist guys, dont be silly.

420smokeman

no one can prove anything, whats the truth whats reality, before existance, god!! AHHHHH IM GOOOIN INNSAANNEEE !!!!!! ahhahah just go to work and be happy. hope that things turn out good. only thing you can trust in your own expirence. but the thing is.. what if who you are is beyond everything and your not you body. your really the thing before existance and your actually not even really alive or dead... your beyond it all! your the truth!!

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cause there aint nothing else to do and any where i go i know im you and i keep coming back forward through to myself

hijabihippie

Kabbalah speaks of this.

celestialpillow

"We" hope loving ways of new life for everyone like this above

oh yea, very creative and lovely

flying is giong to be so much fun and "make love flyin baby"

celestialpillow

oh, yea, keep this thread open to going beyond heaven please!

does anyone believe heaven made heaven or god made heaven or is it a bit in the middle a being above god, mother gaea for example made heaven, or heaven made mother gaea? just askin...for a weath of exuberant hopes to arise and send out a message to all those who feel, feel for the way to arise.
(read this above however you wish...tis very open)

Mafoo

i think heaven is just a word that humans use to describe something that is difficult to concieve of. much like god means that which is beyond our ability to concieve of.

its just a word imo. describing heaven as a place, a phyiscal place, would be like describing a color to something that doesnt see colors. we are existing physically so i argue that thinking of heaven and beyond is like trying to imagine color without any way of detecting color.

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For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return

verklingen

our body is an expression of consciousness, and therefor resides within our consciousness. "heaven" involves expanding one's consciousness into beyond bodily focus, thereby realizing a wider sphere of influence that is always present but as of now remains untapped. it's here/there already, simultaneously within the physical and beyond it, just as you are. meditation trains you to see it

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“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.”

BibleGuy

Thank you for sharing this thought, celestialpillow. Could it be that "heaven" has multiple levels? Your post reminded me of this verse from the Bible:

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. (2Corinthians 12:2)

A look at the Greek is a bit more clear. This seems to be a third eye / mental vision + out-of-body experience that identifies that there are at least three heavens, or, perhaps, levels to heaven, without setting any limits.

I don't know much about Kaballah, but I am interested. Chokmah, Binah, Da'ath and Keter especially grabbed my attention. The sephiras seem like they relate to Kundalini and the chakras. Will you please talk a little about how Kaballah speaks of heaven(s), and whatever else you care to share?

Very interesting! Have you ever felt/perceived/experienced that expansion yourself?

BibleGuy

Some have suggested that the microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm, which makes sense to me. An atom, for example, looks a lot like a solar system, as does the Earth with it's single moon. The human body has been viewed as a reflection if the workings of the universe (Da'Vinci's Vitruvian Man). Genesis (Bible) says that man(kind) was created in the image and likeness of God (elohiym), which agrees with Da'Vinci from a certain perspective.

"God" identified himself as hayah 'asher hayah in Hebrew, translated "I AM THAT I AM" but which could also be translated "I AM WHAT EXISTS".

"Heaven" in Hebrew Shamayim or Shameh, meaning the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve). In Greek "heaven" is Ouranios, meaning the same.

If we elevate above the atom we eventually arrive at a view of the Earth and moon... then the solar system... then the galaxy... then the Universe. What's beyond the Universe? More universes? A universe of universes? A universe of universes of universes...? Are these all the "heavens"? And is all of this a physical reflection of a greater reality?

Personally, my current belief is along the lines of God being "I AM WHAT EXISTS" and that mother gaea and the heavens are levels of manifestation, perception and elevation of, and into, that greater, ultimate reality which is the source of, and which encompasses, everything.

Mydriasis

Meh, I don't believe in the dualistic heaven or hell paradigm beyond the psychedelic experience.

I read that there is a realm past the one past heaven though guys. And one after that too. And one after that one even. What does it matter?

The holy books don't tell you how to ascend there, if it even is reality.

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BibleGuy

King Solomon ascended via "...his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the LORD" (1 Kings 10:5 and 2 Chronicles 9:4).

Here he goes again... BG just can't resist a little analysis .

Solomon's "ascent" is very interesting if we take a look at the meaning of the word...

• "ascent" is ‛ôlâh in Hebrew, meaning a step or (collectively stairs, as ascending); usually a holocaust (as going up in smoke).
  
• 'olah is the feminine active participle of ‛âlâh , meaning to ascend, intransitively (be high) or active mount)

‛âlâh is cognate to the Arabic word for "God", Allah, meaning "the Deity" (supreme, .cf "Most High").

Also cognate, I believe, is the Hawiian word Aloha ("Allah" is ʼĔlāhā in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ or ʼĀlōho in Syriac.) Aloha means affection, love, peace, compassion and mercy. Aloha is from two words, alo and ha, meaning "presence" and "breath of life", or, if I may, "present breath of life" or "presence of the breath of life".

This "present breath of life" is interesting considering that God's identification to Moses as "I AM", hayah in Hebrew, meaning to exist, compares to havah, meaning properly to breathe (personalized, this would be "I breathe") and that the meaning of Aloha (affection, love, peace, compassion, mercy) aligns perfectly with the biblical "fruit of the Spirit" (Galatians 5:22) where "Spirit" properly means "breath".

And what do all meditation-oriented traditions focus on in ascending/expanding awareness/consciousness? Isn't it breath? If we view Solomon's "ascent" (usually a holocaust (as going up in smoke)) in this light, what might we think is being described by Solomon's "ascent"?

Lurker(W.Can)(M

I find it interesting that in Roman Mythology (which is Greek mythology renamed, as I see
it) Uranus is the father of Zeus, Demeter, Poseidon, Hera, Pluto and all the rest of the Pantheon which are older than Hephaestus, Apollo, Artemis, and so forth.

celestialpillow

ongoing with this discussion woulb be what sort of phenomenon one would see above and beyond heaven, not just levels of heaven, but a crescendo of sorts past heaven and harmony.

Emotions, feelings and passions are supranatural, what would be above supranatural bliss, love, hope, wishing and caring

Miracles and magic and spells are in heaven, what is more exceptoinal than miracles and magic and spells?

What is more beautiful than a rose, and is the being even a flower or too beautiful to be called a flower in ways, though because we are natural the best we could artisctically describe is the most beautiful flower creator of the goddess?

Does higher than ressurectino exist in heaven to point to a higher realm above harmony? I believe so!

What is more than eternal and immortal in a heavenward sense?

Does heaven have a messiah or a girl messiah to save angels to the realm above heaven and harmony?

revolving around elements, light is more valuable than water, so what is the element more valuable than light in heaven and then on and on to the realms above heaven and harmony?

May we pray to beings above the goddesses today? Promise, I attempt to

What surpasses beauty on the level of beauty heavenly?

I am an angel with a message and I hope I have swelled a sweetly kind maryjane ideal of goodness, promise!

celestialpillow

seeing the amethysty we see


willl pink souls be sweetera as a flower of the goddessys breasts

colors be rivulets of eoeinericy pal o dream clouds as pure as a song

wronggin is a virtue of past, flutecalls love left fore pinafore break easy n slow

"be the song o wifesupra, be glory will ya sullen emo pals"

celestialpillow

glad u beliuefey u be harmony of se7enthy heaveny realm o pureness

celestialpillow

aristophanes be a great "jesus storyteller" in mary's womb o grace n la magic

seusz be a wand of lime life say a fellow beginin a novel o life

"pyre rainey emo face, high as an angel"

now the faireys may sing, hope ta see u love glowy wands

new slang fore earth to arise, sounds angelic to mey a meeee!

celestialpillow

"mye heart feels grace in verses of song, holly heatherblossom the life gal fill your cup with magic blue milk"

sounsds twi'lek n elf to mey

celestialpillow

angeels be easy ta see if you life en heamenemy(heavenP), tolya bout harmony, see glory glowy faces, a cha orb o grandioseness! listening to faces be fun game o the elfs, see life be life, each sweet tea of grace tells the lips secretly to kiss a gals bosom! openly la la


openly making love to a angel a year or to a ago we are kids in heaven i swear i see your princes kids to angel gal