zerodown

I think human beings need war like a junkie needs his shot, we want peace but cannot live without war. How can anyone anywhere claim to have even the remotest idea of how to bring peace upon earth? The only way such an irrational idea as peace on earth could be conceived without killing is by convincing 6,692,030,277 people on the planet to accept the same ideals and some how, either convince them or force them to never question the new rules set forth on the new utopia. Do you have the tiniest hope of that becoming a reality?

I have come to the conclusion that since the moment human beings developed a rational brain, there has been war upon the earth, ever since then up to current days there has been constant war between the different social groups that have formed since, if we can agree to that which can be proved by merely looking at our history books, then what rational thought crossed our minds and made us fathom the idea of stopping it?

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The Rev

There are very few people at any given moment in history that can actually start a war. These people usually work very hard to get into such a position, to acquire the power necessary. They say that power corrupts, but I tend to believe the opposite. That power attracts the corruptible. And the corrupt at heart have no problem sending people to die to fulfill their agendas.

Don't blame humanity as a whole, or if you must, don't blame them for being warlike, blame them for being too gullible not to be able to see through the bullshit after all these centuries.



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verklingen

war will stop when its undeniable detriments outweigh any apparent gain. we're already approaching that point imo

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The Rev

You're probably right. Slavery didn't end because it was wrong, but because it was no longer economical. Say what you will about humanity, we ARE a pragmatic species.



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verklingen

haha good point rev. we do like to ignore reason until it slaps us in the face, almost to a man

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Grieves

War is commerce and like any complex it is easier to sustain than to work through...

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Dr. ShinDig

pragmatic maybe, I just want to shoot something...

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zerodown

And then a new war will sprout somewhere on the globe, and so on and so on for another millennium or two.

Its been almost 9 years of war on iraq, and we're still sending troops, hell we don't even have the power to close guantanamo at the will of the president, it keeps being stalled.

I don't think war around the globe will stop any time soon when the world's best scientists are trying to come up with better and stronger weapons with which to dominate other countries, sorry I meant with which to defend from other countries.

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

osirus2020

War is cause by ignorance, aggression, and unchallenged power.

My history teacher has tried to explain to us that humans try to fulfill the unmet human need of domination and aggression through war. It's actually not a bad theory, but I think the biggest flaw in his logic is that he makes the assumption that all human beings all have the same basic emotional needs, which I believe to be incorrect.

I do however agree with the fact that human warfare is directly related to our aggression. There is no doubt in my mind that humans are aggressive creatures and because humans are aggressive, they willing to fight as long as they have some thing to fight over, whether it's real or imaginary.

I also believe that because humans are, for the most part, ignorant and trusting, it is easy to start a war if you're in any position of power.

Look at the Crusades, for example. Thousands and thousands of people marched across Europe to kill pagans in the name of Christianity. In hindsight, it's very obvious that the people were being manipulated to help spread Christianity and help further the benefits of the people in charge, but they didn't know any better. If more people had opened their eyes, they would have had to look far because Jesus himself was a firm believer in pacifism. Now I'm sure some bright people brought that up, but they probably found their way to the bottom of a pond (witches float).

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reverie

Human beings developed a rational brain? Damn, how'd I miss that lesson in science class?!

War imo atm is a large scale example of conflict between two systems aching for the other system to acknowledge its existence. This happens all the time, however we use a multitude of methods to achieve this divine acknowledgment (not just war). We use love, we use media communication, we use propaganda and etc. Tools, to carve our means to an end.

I think the pitfall is in assumption: That the human is to be understood as exempt from unpleasant means. However, we operate with the same context other animal kingdoms do, who fight to the death. Life. Which, in its nature to me is all encompassing. War and all.

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verklingen

all that is true but the fact remains that after 9 years we have not entered any new conflicts despite being heavily inundated in a constant stream of fear-filled propaganda and war-mongering. the world no longer accepts war as a justifiable means toward anything and the war methodology is proving more troublesome than anything. iraq/afghanistan have nearly (or completely, depending on how you want to look at it) bankrupted our nation while providing absolutely no benefit for security or anything else.

at the end of the day survival trumps everything and war is simply not suited to survival (duh). it disrupts the international commerce every country depends on not only for its survival, but also for its continued development. we've kind of just blundered into this peace-regulating circumstance through our species' age-old thirst for blood and profit, but the truth is that, however we arrived, there's no moving forward the same way we got here. it simply cannot be sustained. the apprehension of the warmongers these last 9 years would be unthinkable if it were possible for war plans to move forward. therefor in my estimation, it no longer is

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