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Old 12-13-2009, 08:55 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2009, 05:24 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:10 AM   #43 (permalink)
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what if judaism is a scam?
Everything is a scam....which one did you pick?
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:25 PM   #44 (permalink)
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what if judaism is a scam?
Wake up guys! Judaism isn't just a scam, it is the scam of all scams.
All other religions are based on Judaism.

Jesus was a Jew.
Mohammed was trying to get as many Jews to willingly convert and support his cause. The Koran has Abraham, Moses and Jesus as sacred prophets of god.

We started this whole religion business. Well at least the monothestic religions anyway.

However, of all the going scams / religions, Juadism is the only one that can be taken seriously.

Geeno is right wishing that he could become a Jew.
However I doubt that he will make it.

It's much harder than you would imagine.

Maybe that's why Jews are so successfull. The demanding religion enforces a discipline and hardship in which a Jew faces and deals with challenges that no one else does.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:30 PM   #45 (permalink)
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i haven't picked one yet, sage
i've sampled a few
i know i dont like the heavily indoctrinated ones though
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Old 12-15-2009, 08:29 AM   #47 (permalink)
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you know geeno with your .7g you're a shoe in. they've been down with that since the bronze ages
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:48 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Wake up guys! Judaism isn't just a scam, it is the scam of all scams.
All other religions are based on Judaism.

Maybe that's why Jews are so successfull. The demanding religion enforces a discipline and hardship in which a Jew faces and deals with challenges that no one else does.
All Abrahamic religions you mean......

But I do agree, a rigorous devotional practice does certainly bleed into all parts of our life as life IS a spiritual practice, imo.

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i haven't picked one yet, sage
i've sampled a few
i know i dont like the heavily indoctrinated ones though
no...I mean EVERYTHING not just religon
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:48 AM   #49 (permalink)
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It is common. But I think the external act is revealing of the higher meaning: Being "cut" in such as way as to reveal the most intimate part of yourself (to God). The external act speaks of the internal necessity, expressed as "circumcision... of the heart" in Romans 2:29, KJV:
But he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and Circumcision is, that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.
But this is New Testament - not sure if it would fly in (non-messianic) Judaism.

What about in Jeremiah, or Ezekiel about the removing of a heart of stone, and replacing it with a heart of flesh.
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The references are in the old testemant.
Abraham circumsises himself and his son.
Jacobs boys (the children of Israel) are all circumsiced and demand all allies to do it and all defeated enemies. It would seem that the whole thing was a bit of a trend around 3500 to 4000 years ago. That probably came out of Egypt with the early pharoes.

Moses is also mentioned circumcising with a flint edge.

It the Jews covenent with god, the deal between abraham and god, 'give me your foreskin and I will make a great nation from you and your children'.

Not a bad deal really. Anyway, do what you want to do it's no skin off my nose.
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Old 12-27-2009, 01:23 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Jews are cool, I dig their style. Personally I'd throw my hat in with the Mormons (if I were to convert). I like their squeaky clean image.
mormons kill dogs, look it up.

I've worked with mormons on numerous occasions (we had a big group of mormon kids at the camp I worked at and I've been backpacking in Utah with mormons for some of the guides). I can safely say mormons are some of the most deluded people I've ever met. I do like how you can marry a bunch of girls, and also like how men get their own planet after they die. I could not deal with the caffeine prohibition.
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Welcome to the awesome Jew side dude! Jews definitely know where everything is at. Any religion that mostly revolves around food and wine is awesome in my book. Seriously though, joining a reform temple would be your best bet to be converted. Most conservative/orthodox/hasidic Jews don't let people convert easily. They want to make sure you're serious and you won't leave later on. And I hope you've been circumcised, because if not, they're going to circumcise you. My poor father was forced to have it done when he converted, and he was in his 40's. I felt horrible for him.

Also, you can just join a temple and become a practicing Jew without ever actually converting. Most reform Jews will still consider you a Jew as long as you practice.
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but the real jewish world refuses to accept reform jews as real jews. as a converted reform jew you will have no rights of return to Israel. The Rabbinatical court won't marry you or bury you or recognise your children as jews.

tmwfi reform jews suck. Marry an Israeli chick and get Israeli citizenship, serve in the IDF, kill a few arabs eat a few falafal's and smoke some great hash.

ps the circumsicion is avoidable, it isn't forced on anyone.
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if i were a jew i'd distance myself from israel as much as possible
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I thought judaism focused on guilt.
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^That is exactly what I do. The Jews there are fucking nuts. I never want to go back there, unfortunately my family does though. And I don't know what you're talking about "you will have no rights to return to Israel" because they've already given me my free trip to Israel if I want it. And every single reform Jew that I know has also gotten it.

And no, I will certainly not take your word for it.
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lol on guilt? Maybe the crazy Jews, but definitely not any synagogue I've ever been to.
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^That is exactly what I do. The Jews there are fucking nuts. I never want to go back there, unfortunately my family does though. And I don't know what you're talking about "you will have no rights to return to Israel" because they've already given me my free trip to Israel if I want it. And every single reform Jew that I know has also gotten it.

And no, I will certainly not take your word for it.
All my jewish friends went on those free israel trips, said it was all brainwashing.
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^I wouldn't doubt it. Isn't that what religion is anyways? I've never taken my free trip, and I don't plan on it. Like I said before, the people there are fucking nuts lol. And not to mention the stupid war that's going on there. I have to be one of the very few Jews that does not support Israel.
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