SageTree

Dude that was a hard 2-3 sentences to decipher.

I believe the greatest 'lie' taking place is that 'ugly' and 'coming to grips with that' are our inner nature. Couldn't it also be thought that we lie to ourselves to maintain that 'good' relationship as well?

I believe if there is a misunderstanding here, it's that humans are denying the good they are capable of and that doesn't mean suppression of the 'bad' for the sake of getting along, I mean true getting along because it's possible.

Also....If a good relationship is through casual lying, are you saying war is brutal truth?

To me, war as a solution is the biggest fleecing of all.

__________________

movie

Lying is an art. Practise....... Do you love me? Does this dress make me look heavy? Where were you last night? I get it.

__________________
Member of the Best Marijuana Forum in the world.

farmergiles

Lol you Yanks got a bad rep for international relations ATM .

Awesome post Rev.

Most of my best friends routinely piss me off by telling the truth and I do return the compliment from time to time. It is hard to be a dick while telling the truth. Not trying to pass myself off as super honest or anything, more something I strive for.

__________________
Cultivate a stoic calmness

Mescalito

NEVER give false compliments if you ever want that person to feel complimented when they really deserve to be.. IMHO.

Also.. do not over use sarcasm.. people will start to question your honesty. Many people use sarcasm to directly 'cover up' what they really think.. IMHO.

I think the Japanese have a phrase for the personality that people show when they are say.. working or in some professonal situation as opposed to another phrase for the part of ones persona that shows when they are say.. at home .. or alone.. or under no particular social conditions. I get the impresion that they believe neither of these 'selves' to be more o less real than the other.. but more that they are boh an integral part of life.

Here in Thailand.. and I guess south east asia, there is a thing called, 'keeping face'.. and basically it is the art of never shoing what you truely think bout someone/thing. It is a bad thing to, 'lose ones face'.. literally and non-literally. For example, in New York.. I imagine if you uucked someone over.. they would let you feel the repoocussions i they could.. right there and then. But in Thailand.. if you id the same.. it's more likley they will play it down in public view and then just get someone to kill you later when you are sleeping.

If you had a choice.. would you rather people lied to you all the time... or told the truth all the time.. if you could have it one way or the other..

M

John F. Kerry

interesting sage,

i dont know the answer,

is human nature good or bad? i tend to think its bad in some way bc of death etc.... but on the other hand somewhere in us is the potential for amazing things and maybe im just looking at the way things are now , and not able to imagine a world where the better angels of human nature would be the main factor.

__________________
Nasa under Obama

SageTree

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry interesting sage, i dont know the answer, is human nature good or bad? i tend to think its bad in some way bc of death etc.... but on the other hand somewhere in us is the potential for amazing things and maybe im just looking at the way things are now , and not able to imagine a world where the better angels of human nature would be the main factor.

Speaking of enlightenment and perseverance the Buddha said ,"Even a bucket fills one drop at a time."

I don't think it has to be miraculous to add a drop to the good bucket. Little things like a smile with a few more seconds of eye contact can go a long way. We don't know people's individual stories, but we can always make contact on the level that we all want happiness and safety.

I don't think it's who wins or loses the 'war' but how we get through it that counts. Conflict out of our control happens, but so many other of life's 'battles' are in our grasp.

We are all going to die and humans will be a bone on the end of a shovel, being discovered some day I expect....

It is interesting to me that you say that human nature is bad because of death, because therefore, immortality must equal good, in your eyes?

I don't know what you believe about why we are hear or if original sin is your bag. But I feel death is part of life, in as much, we are born to die....what happens in the middle is up to us to the degree we are comfortable with accepting or trying to change what we see.

From a Creator stand point, if we were created by a perfect Being, and death was part of the plan, yet bad universally speaking, wouldn't that make the Creator imperfect, if all the creations wasn't good? But I could be wrong, of course and perhaps 'bad' as a balancing factor of 'good' is part of a perfect plan? Often I find bad/good, heaven/hell a matter of perspective on the human plain of thought. Eternally speaking...it doesn't make a lot of sense to prattle on about that to me. We'll know soon enough, Nowness is what matters most to me.

(Italics are my response. The rest is for talking's sake and knowing you better)

SageTree

__________________

Štulic

Wow I just cried and tears are still running down my face, that was the funniest clip I've seen all year!

__________________

Color-Me-Cliche

wow dude, I was totally thinking of something so similar. Like, how people never smile any more. Its frowned apon. Same with laughing. You know? In a class or public place its just so tabboo to laugh in a place with people! It's your bodys natural response to sadness. When your so sad, so angry, so upset and let down, Often your body will restore it self by laughing. But It really all started back in the day...
you see, a long time ago, people really believed smiling and laughing were a disese. In old medical reports it says that smiling can distort your face, it said that it can lead to or side effect pox, measles, coughing, vomiting, diarhiea, black outs, blindness, nose bleeds, and in children, "could result in death".
And after that, the preists would tell people that laughing is your body being possesed by the devil. Hence why it is looked at as ill-mannered to laugh in church today. But what most people don't understand is that laughter actually is the best medicine. Laughter can heal, and restore you. So laugh at everything! Don't care what people think of your crazy seemingly sparratic heckle!



I Think fer sure tell the truth all the time. Because I don't get offened easily. And, the world would be so much easier if everyone told the truth. People would never feel embarrased again. Also... if everyone lied all the time, wouldn't you know they were deliberatly lieing and so you knew the truth? Also... life would suck if everyone lied. Can you imagine asking for directions? Going to school? I don't understand why people are afraid of the truth. well I do.... but I so don't relate

Geeno

__________________

Bodhisattva

194. The difference among men does not manifest itself only in the difference of their lists of desirable things—in their regarding different good things as worth striving for, and being disagreed as to the greater or less value, the order of rank, of the commonly recognized desirable things:—it manifests itself much more in what they regard as actually HAVING and POSSESSING a desirable thing. As regards a woman, for instance, the control over her body and her sexual gratification serves as an amply sufficient sign of ownership and possession to the more modest man; another with a more suspicious and ambitious thirst for possession, sees the "questionablenes s," the mere apparentness of such ownership, and wishes to have finer tests in order to know especially whether the woman not only gives herself to him, but also gives up for his sake what she has or would like to have—only THEN does he look upon her as "possessed." A third, however, has not even here got to the limit of his distrust and his desire for possession: he asks himself whether the woman, when she gives up everything for him, does not perhaps do so for a phantom of him; he wishes first to be thoroughly, indeed, profoundly well known; in order to be loved at all he ventures to let himself be found out. Only then does he feel the beloved one fully in his possession, when she no longer deceives herself about him, when she loves him just as much for the sake of his devilry and concealed insatiability, as for his goodness, patience, and spirituality. One man would like to possess a nation, and he finds all the higher arts of Cagliostro and Catalina suitable for his purpose. Another, with a more refined thirst for possession, says to himself: "One may not deceive where one desires to possess"—he is irritated and impatient at the idea that a mask of him should rule in the hearts of the people: "I must, therefore, MAKE myself known, and first of all learn to know myself!" Among helpful and charitable people, one almost always finds the awkward craftiness which first gets up suitably him who has to be helped, as though, for instance, he should "merit" help, seek just THEIR help, and would show himself deeply grateful, attached, and subservient to them for all help. With these conceits, they take control of the needy as a property, just as in general they are charitable and helpful out of a desire for property. One finds them jealous when they are crossed or forestalled in their charity. Parents involuntarily make something like themselves out of their children—they call that "education"; no mother doubts at the bottom of her heart that the child she has borne is thereby her property, no father hesitates about his right to HIS OWN ideas and notions of worth. Indeed, in former times fathers deemed it right to use their discretion concerning the life or death of the newly born (as among the ancient Germans). And like the father, so also do the teacher, the class, the priest, and the prince still see in every new individual an unobjectionable opportunity for a new possession.

__________________

The Rev

Interesting read, B.



The Rev

__________________

Anonymous4674

Hey Rev, the thing is, there is so little that is factually provable.

The good thing about this is that this can work for our good. Most of us make our own reality anyway. It's "society" (the herd) that draws the lines of the imaginary "box" for us to fit inside of.

Have you ever signed an "application" or a "mortgage" or paperwork at a doctor's office?

Did you really and truly comprehend every word that was written on there, or were you just complying to make things easier?

If you are like me, you just signed to get on with the business at hand.

Well, no more. I insist on writing the rules, or at the least, knowing the fuckin rules.

A book you may be interested in is "Woe unto you Lawyers" (By Fred Rodell). In this book, a law school professor exposes lawyers for what they are, "word magicians".

So, the next time someone charges you with a "crime" of which there is no victim, if you learn how to cross-examine their claim, you can expose their inability to PROVE their case.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous4674

Great Post!

If we realize that we do not own anything, and are just possessory beneficiaries in imperfect usufruct, then we can avoid many problems caused by making claims of ownership.