Štulic

Regardles of what your beliefs are, wheather or not we evolved from other species or were created by a higher power, do you think the humans have made an amazing progress in the last couple of millenia, or do you think that despite all the technological progress we made, we're still no better then donkeys?

To call something primitive means it's not "up-to-date" or is backward or stalled in development or similar, but when you study our ancient history you notice we've been generally behaving the same way we do today for thousands of years.

Not much has changed apart from a technological point of view it still boils down to the fact that we still live in tribes who fight wars against each other over territory, a resource or an ideology.
Same shit like 5000 years ago.

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The Rev

People still believe in alot of absurd superstitions, they still believe that violence is a good way to solve problems, and they are still have a huge capacity for indifference to suffering. We are capable of understanding compassion, wisdom and justice, but it is only the exceptional person who practices it. I think we're headed in the right direction, but we still have a very long way to go.



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Lloydy

i always find it mad to think that even though we consider ourselves advanced, your average person is thick as fuck compared to ancient mathmeticians

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Waves

"think of how dumb the average person is, and realize that half of them are dumber than that!"

-george carlin

i think we've progressed SO much but since we're such a huge species, number-wise, the lowest common denominators are still holding us down, in a sense. progress isnt marked by what the most among us is doing, its marked by what the LEAST among us is doing. imo. and going by that, yeah, we havent made much progress. thats ok though, weve only been around a relative blink of an eye in terms of the universe and our planet.

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Mafoo

i think the fact that most dont realize that were all closely connected by sharing the planet and all of its resources shows that we are still, largely, a primitive people.

there are species of ants that work together better than people and they rely on pheremones and other chemical signals to communicate. humans have language and we cant even solve the problems we find ourselves facing.

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msicidron

i feel like in modern times evolution is sort of taking place on a more individual spiritual level, there's so much humans are now able to accomplish, communication-and other-wise, that the whole of humankind could someday become unified through what could easily be perceived as telekinesis

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crookedhatinator45

but stulic, how could we be primitive if we came up with the english language? i thought you thought english was the greatest thing in the history of things.

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Waves

knowledge is relative. in 1000 years we will probably have a language which makes english look relatively primitive.

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verklingen

right on, man. this is due to us being socially immature. our penchant for social interaction allowed us to develop behaviors by which we learned to survive very well. and within closed communities, it even allowed us to thrive. but for one reason or another we never took that to the next level and integrated more thoroughly. instead, we've traced a tortuous course: ever so slowly building the foundation for global unity we see today.

perhaps not obviously enough, it's our boundaries that limit us. there has to be a serious, inclusive effort to raise each and every one of us as high as we possibly can. until then we are severely inhibiting an immense potential

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crookedhatinator45

did you miss that whacktarded post he made in bursy norwegian speak thread?

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tedkennedy

good question, its really a question of your own perspective.

primative in the sense that we fight over mates? kill each other over resources and are in a rat race for survival? yes. we are animals...

technologically advanced , i guess. .. . ..

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Waves

well we're never gonna be NOT animals, all we can really do is evolve the proper mental functions to control the animalistic instincts that got us TO this place.

i think if you look at the AMOUNT of wars, the AMOUNT of fighting, the AMOUNT of horrible shit in the world, its gotten to be a much better place. we are more interconnected, so now the tribe in america knows all about the wars going on in another part of the world, so it may seem like theres more bad shit going on but i chalk that up to media exposure and the constant shrinking of our world. if you were to look at it from a numerical perspective the ratio of war-torn nations to non war torn nations is way better. like, EVERYONE fought wars back in the day, everyone was constantly fighting and borders were constantly being re-written. nowadays shit is relatively calm, now theres just hotspots all over the world where this shit is going down.

and coincidentally those hotspots happen to be the very nations that are on the BRINK of modernizing themselves and their society. in the middle east religion has been a way bigger part of their culture, so right now we're seeing a modernized middle east arise from the literal rubble of the old beliefs and heirarchy which was all religion-based. they still call their politicians 'clerics' and shit. in africa they still believe in voodoo and shit.

anyway i guess my major point is yeah, things look bad, but thats only because we've built very powerful 'microscopes' to zoom in and see exactly whats going on in all parts of the world. we are ultra-aware of everything happening on our planet, and with so many people, there is a shitload happening. but still, things are slowly improving. if we are going to talk about primitive in a non-relative manner, an objective manner, humans are just emerging from that stage imo. we're just now shaking off our ancient beliefs in magical gods and all that bullshit, and we're learning how to work together as a world and as a species. before we do all the crap that creates conflict has to be dealt with. which is what we're seeing right now.

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Captain Cannabis

i would like to hear more of this argument if any supporting evidence exists. math has pretty much been around for 35-40 thousand years, but saying ancient mathematics is vague. all known cultures developed some form of mathematics which served their needs independent of one another. this means that there is ridiculously large variation in not only number systems and operations, but also the uses. it can be as simple as cutting notches on a stick, or as complicated as figuring out sine and cosine functions to the 20th decimal (yes there were ancient cultures which did that).

how is ancient mathematics, which each type having developed on their own, any better than modern mathematics which has the ability to look back and examine the other types? math has traditionally (ie: >100 years ago) been a sport of the elite upper classes. is it fair to compare this to an average person in modern times?

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Štulic

If you thought it was whachtarded you shoul've made a point and explained why so I can stand corrected.
I'll always repeat that todays english is the richest and most advanced language humans have ever used, but waves is right too in the future the language will become even more global and even more rich and will make todays english look and sound very primitive indeed.

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FourtySecondRip

if people worked with smells and chemicals only we probably would work together too

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Mafoo

well ya, i just mean that it seems primitive that we sit at computers bullshitting 80% of the day while theres people in india and africa that cant miss a single day of work because they just barely survive. its a constant theme in human history for one group to prosper and the rest to fall further and further behind. this is primitive, if people were more advanced wed realize the value of these less fortunate and would be willing to sacrifice some of our luxury and convenience to help a brotha out.

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OldMan&TheWeed

Beside the THANKS button, there should be a BULLSHIT button.

Some of the posts in this thread remind me of a talk I had with a young adolescent child not so long ago. When I explained to this 12 year-old that computers and television didn't exist 100 years ago, he responded by saying, "They were stupid back then."

I do not subscribe to the myth of a “golden age”, and I certainly do not accept this ironic view of history that some people here seem to imply.

We are the same creatures we were tens of thousands of years ago. We may have collectively managed to alter our physical circumstances through technology, but we’re still the same species of hairless ape.

Evolution is dependent on environmental change (stress) and isolation of groups of organisms. Our species is experiencing the exact opposite of these conditions.

We are not evolving; we are stagnating.

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Štulic

What the future holds in my opinion

I'm starting to believe that the next step in our evolutionary process will be the abandonment of things like states/countries/borders, culture, tradition, nationality or race, in favour of an interconnected network of all humans where there's precisely calculated how much an individual is allowed to indulge himself into things like drugs, violence, gore, fetish or some other mental fantasy, because brain activity will definitely be calculated and monitored, CCTV with it's face recognition will seam like a very primitive way of surveilance.

The mankind's destiny will be determined by the power who's going to take control of the global network which started as the world wide web we know today.

All I can hope is the allmighty global net rulers will propagate love, care and passion as the most important human emotions, quite contrary to todays mass media cashing up on violence, hate, murder, inferiority and lies...
Everything will sort itself eventually, that's why I never worry about stuff like that, ask Bobby McFerrin

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Mescalito

^That's pretty scary.. and not unlikely. Power of love or the love of power? I know which way I want to go.

Are you in?

I remember some quote from the movie, Waking Life...

I am more towards the point of view that the way we record information and pass it on from generation to generation is one, if not the main, reason for out 'progress' in comparison to your average prehistoric 'cave-dweller' or animal for that matter.

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verklingen

i kinda wish we had the same for this post

isolation is old hat. evolution is as much about behavior as genetics, and behaviors can change very rapidly for a social species of ape. we may be the same creature as our ancestors, but we have grown that creature into a very different beast since the dawn of civilization: from the point that small bands of humans became an inseparable collective entity.

this social paradigm achieved incredible prosperity, and right now we face the stress of developing it on a global scale. . . inevitably leading to increased survivability, prosperity, creativity, etc. if that's not evolution then just what the fuck is?!

edit- i would even go so far as to say technology is a manifestation or symptom of social tendency (the only creatures known to use tools are social ones such as apes and dolphins). in this sense society permits us to be technological. and with that in mind, i wonder what unthinkable things are possible as we develop it further

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