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Old 02-09-2010, 09:25 AM   #41 (permalink)
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its not a matter of dismissing them, its a matter of having a feeling based on their actions that they care more about getting the cash money than having any idea about how to wisely spend it.

another take, the reason the rich are rich is often because they are smart and know what to do with their money (ie they know how to use their money to acomplish the goals they want)....it seems to me it makes way more sense to have money in the hands of people who know how to wisely use it to acomplish broad ends like starting a small business or developing a product etc.... instead u suggest that the poorest wretches and uneducated people would be able to make wiser decisions about how to direct the money of a nation- without being racsit or rude a huge percentage of the people u want to give money to would probably go out and buy alcohol or drugs with it 5 minutes after getting their check.

the most effective way to end poverty in america would be to get a bunch of ceos in a room tasked with ending poverty and see what they come up with- assuming the ceos were actually going to dedicate their effort to fixing the problem and not just pretending to save their own asses .... the smartest , best, people, have money because they are capable of making the best smartest decisions and they can appreciate cause and effect better than other ppl, etc.... to take the wealth and power from those who have earned it, to give it to those who would squander it, doesnt seem that smart.

its not a question of looking down on the poor, its a question of realizing that u cant turn a poor uneducated person into a middle class american overnight by giving him some middle class trappings....you have to start from the ground up, and i havent heard any plan to do that, just demands for others peoples money to fix their problems, but no explanation of what the fix will be ....
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:00 AM   #42 (permalink)
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its not a matter of dismissing them, its a matter of having a feeling based on their actions that they care more about getting the cash money than having any idea about how to wisely spend it.

another take, the reason the rich are rich is often because they are smart and know what to do with their money (ie they know how to use their money to acomplish the goals they want)
yes they are very smart in dealing with money: they know exactly how to use it to make themselves more money, which means siphoning more money away from consumers. that's their goal, and that's the entire problem i'm trying to shine light on

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....it seems to me it makes way more sense to have money in the hands of people who know how to wisely use it to acomplish broad ends like starting a small business or developing a product etc....
that would be keeping the money where it is already. they already do and always have had money in their hands. . . how come we don't have any revolutionary social reforms and a constantly booming economy by now?

my city is part of an initiative to get small businesses working with business consulting firms to become profitable. these firms charge thousands of dollars for their services but the city is picking up the tab knowing it will bolster the local economy. that's an example of a good use of wealth, imo. with good results, it will set the stage for continued growth.

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instead u suggest that the poorest wretches and uneducated people would be able to make wiser decisions about how to direct the money of a nation- without being racsit or rude a huge percentage of the people u want to give money to would probably go out and buy alcohol or drugs with it 5 minutes after getting their check.
where have i said we should give money to anyone, or that "wretches and uneducated people" should be making decisions on how to direct the money of our nation?

once we understand the shortcomings of our society and how they can be fixed, it would be best to use our nation's wealth in ways that will turn those shortcomings into strengths and help us realize our full potential. we need to provide good education, and good incentive to become educated. we need to raise responsible citizens who understand the importance of what they do and how it affects our nation's success; how we all depend upon one another for everything from taking food off the supermarket shelf to flushing our shit down the drain.

it's obvious you've never taken the time to read a single one of my posts. i salute the unrivaled thickness of your skull

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the most effective way to end poverty in america would be to get a bunch of ceos in a room tasked with ending poverty and see what they come up with- assuming the ceos were actually going to dedicate their effort to fixing the problem and not just pretending to save their own asses .... the smartest , best, people, have money because they are capable of making the best smartest decisions and they can appreciate cause and effect better than other ppl, etc.... to take the wealth and power from those who have earned it, to give it to those who would squander it, doesnt seem that smart.
ceo's like poor people. they're ideal targets for advertisements and the loans needed to get the advertised items. a ceo would never look at his bottom line and think "hmm, we should really stop taking money from poor people and instead help them to get in a better financial position." they would lose half their profits overnight, because the sole reason the poor remain so poor is our society teaches us to spend spend spend spend, and it's shouted at us everywhere we look

your proposition is utterly laughable

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its not a question of looking down on the poor, its a question of realizing that u cant turn a poor uneducated person into a middle class american overnight by giving him some middle class trappings....you have to start from the ground up, and i havent heard any plan to do that, just demands for others peoples money to fix their problems, but no explanation of what the fix will be ....
a middle class american might be educated, but he's just as poor as the poorest among us compared to the supremely wealthy. he faces the same targeted, premeditated and connivingly designed challenges, and he hardly fares any better.

you should think about this some more
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