Waves

anybody ever read any Seth? What are your thoughts?

i first got into seth after researching and experimenting with lucid dreaming. this was before i ever tried a psychedelic of any kind, in fact my experiments with lucid dreaming led me to try psychedelics for the first time, and the first time i tripped i found it remarkable how similar the two states were. anyway seth talks alot about consciousness, how we each create our own realities through our thoughts, beliefs, attitudes, perceptions, etc.

some people are going to be turned off right away because its channeling and of course anyone claiming to be channeling any kind of external being or entity is immediately marked as bullshit and/or insane. meanwhile people have no problem worshiping an invisible man in the sky who is watching and judging their every move, but thats another topic. ive always focused on the actual information when looking to decide the validity or accuracy of any kind of information in the first place. i dont care if it claims to come from god, aliens, or some kind of super intelligent being ala seth. the material resonates with me and has helped my life personally and i know through the wonders of the internet that its the same for many others.

so what do you think?

__________________
On this life that we call home
The years go fast and the days go so slow

The Rev

Guilty as charged. I am very skeptical of the whole "channeling" concept. I am also skeptical about the "invisible man in the sky" too, tho.



The Rev

__________________

Waves

i think its natural to be skeptical to some degree when encountering anything unknown or new or outside of our knowledge and beliefs.i would be skeptical about alot of the things ive experienced if i hadnt experienced them

until we know enough, scientifically speaking, where we can with accuracy say that its possible or not possible that shes channeling, theres going to be this debate. cant do anything about it i suppose. whats important to me is the philosophy and perspectives expressed.

__________________
On this life that we call home
The years go fast and the days go so slow

reverie

I think regardless of someones view on the paranormal or clairvoyance, to ignore the content of which Jane Roberts and Seth touch on would be a tragedy to any intellect. It's challenging, it's vivid and concise, it's also very spiritually motivating.

I've read a lot on the subject matter from many different authors and sources, I've been skeptical, I've been compelled. But Seth's sessions stand head and shoulders above the rest. I think the fact that Jane was self proclaimed as quite the intellectual skeptic, added a lot of the content of her experience.

The topics covered span across the conscious map. And I truly cannot think of any other medium who has done this to such an engaging degree. Reading the books was always a journey, and Seth seemed to always understand where the observer was coming from. A rarity in the paranormal community, where the concerns of the observer are often neglected and left to continue guessing. By no means does this personality Seth appear as colour coated, he tends to say it how he sees it. And I think if you keep in mind that if it is all "real", it would still only be a singular individual interpretation of the matters, it's much easier to take in... With a grain of salt of course. For the sake of personal analysis, you are afterall the one who controls what you choose to believe.

My personal favorite are his interpretations on health, consciousness and the senses. I kind of view the transcripts as poetry, simply because for me, they are beautiful and indulgent expressions on the nature of reality. I'd also have to agree with waves on lucid dreaming, OBEs and psychedelics all being similar. I also started out in the same way (lucid dreaming first etc) and the spirituality in it all cannot be ignored. I'm sure many of us posting in these sub-forums can agree.

It's nice to see other people who have come in contact with his stuff and been affected by it. Definitely up there for me on influential material for personal growth.

__________________

dissolve popular detachment

Mescalito

I've read Seth/Jane's work before and so much of what was said hit the spot.. regardless of whether it was from Jane herself or Seth. It's like anything really... it doesn't matter so much who wrote.. what matters is the meaning you take from it. Take the quaran and the bible for example. I too found out about Seth through lucid dreaming and interest in 'meta-programming' in general. I will watch the vids later and bring something to this thread.

M

ziplock

In essence, even if we assume that it is indeed a unique, independent, individual identity that is being "channeled" through the equally unique, independent, and individual identity of the "medium", the end result that we experience through their spoken word would then not be one or the other but a mix of the two as the communications from the "entity" would have to first pass through the filtration system of the "mediums" conscious framework. The ability and conscious understanding of the "medium" would then come to determine how uncontaminated the end result would be.

In this sense, it'd be better, imo, to see channeling as a state of personal perspective taken place in a deep hypnotic state where the "waking world" characteristics of the mediums mind have dissolved to a degree where they no longer truly are that individual yet another of whatever label or name we want to give it. This is appealing as it better accommodates a universal perspective of "one". In this sense, the individual dividers we see between say Seth and Jane are more a matter of conventional convenience and understanding than a true reflection of the reality. They are as much one in the same as they are different.

Regardless of the mechanism of conveyance, the meaning and messages that are being conveyed are of top notch quality. When one considers their date of authorship, the general knowledge that was available at that time, and the content of the material, one cannot help but be taken aback. Now, many years into the future, with the luxury of the internet, one can look back on their deductions and conclusions, look at the general understanding of reality and the universe now, and say "shit, they're still not far from the mark."

It's not the way the information got to you, or who placed their stamp of approval on it prior to it reaching you, or if it belongs to a particular school of thought or not, that is of any importance. The only thing that is truly important is how, upon reception, you contemplate, integrate, and deal with the information you've been provided. Like I said to my buddy before he went on a soul searching trip: It's not what you do in Thailand that's important, it's what you do after Thailand.

__________________
Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.