The Existence of God is Unprovable

The Rev · 05-23-2010, 09:27 AM

By definition, God is infinite in every way that a being could be measured. Since we live in a Universe where only finite phenomena exist, no evidence for an infinite being could ever be found. Even if God came out, and performed every act ascribed to Him in the Old Testament, one would have no way of knowing with certainty that it was God that performed the acts, and not some imposter.

The way Man has come to understand God has cut God off from Man ever possibly knowing Him with certainty.

The Rev

Kompressor · 05-23-2010, 09:34 AM

I suggest you view the last few pages of the 'do you believe in the bible?' thread.

farmergiles · 05-23-2010, 09:40 AM

If I saw a burning bush which wasn't consumed and spoke to me, the first thing I'd be looking for would be a gas supply and loudspeaker.

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By definition, God is infinite in every way that a being could be measured

I'm being a pedant here

but-

I'm not sure about the definition of God then, if you're saying God is something that defies definition. Does that mean that God is not that which can be defined?

Therefore god is not an equilateral triangle.

Live long and prosper

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**~~Dantastic~~** · 05-23-2010, 10:47 AM

LOL how can you look around you at life, the universe and all the things in it and say you cant prove God exists...do you have any idea how inhospitable earth is to life? and yet here we are.

Also, if you look around, some very powerful people are doing alot of very shady things involving witchcraft and satanism. I may not be able to prove a God, but I can damn sure tell you there is a devil...and wouldnt that mean there is a good to that evil?

Ill say this as many times as I need to...

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he diddn't exist.

You people have put FAR to much faith in your physical senses, enough to where if you don't know about something, and cant use your physical senses to experience it, you dismiss it as crazy or just untrue. and that...well that's bullshit.

Smith&Stoned · 05-23-2010, 11:20 AM

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I may not be able to prove a God, but I can damn sure tell you there is a devil...and wouldnt that mean there is a good to that evil?

Good and evil are completely subjective. Believe it or not, humans are capable of destroying the world all on their own without the need of a devil.

When you place blame on an imaginary figure, like the devil, you automatically exempt humanity from all wrongdoing.

JcP · 05-23-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

The way SOME MEN has come to understand God has cut God off from SOME MEN ever possibly knowing God with certainty.

The Rev

Fixed

The_Jester · 05-23-2010, 12:37 PM

Excuse me dearest sir, can you please help prove to me that I exist?

JcP · 05-23-2010, 12:50 PM

I know I exist...who the fuck are you and why are you in my reality??!?!

The Rev · 05-23-2010, 12:51 PM

The point was that a being that exists on infinite terms cannot be proven to exist in a Universe which is expressed only by the finite. I thought that was clear.

The Rev

The_Jester · 05-23-2010, 02:03 PM

I'm a panthiest as well.

I was merely being "cutesy" because, what's there to discuss in a thread like this? I didn't mean to de-rail anything.

{my attempt to be more productive after making a shit post. See below -}

By that same logic though, do you believe we will ever understand the human-mind, that which consciousness is a product of?

The Rev · 05-23-2010, 05:27 PM

If you start a thread on that topic, I'd have a few things to say.

The Rev

**~~Dantastic~~** · 05-23-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Smith&Stoned

Good and evil are completely subjective. Believe it or not, humans are capable of destroying the world all on their own without the need of a devil.

When you place blame on an imaginary figure, like the devil, you automatically exempt humanity from all wrongdoing.

who placed all blame? not me sir...

and ill point to the end of my post, in which when people cant deal with something with their physical senses, they get all flustered and try to explain it away.

that's dismissive and its bullshit.

hijabihippie · 05-24-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

The point was that a being that exists on infinite terms cannot be proven to exist in a Universe which is expressed only by the finite. I thought that was clear.

The Rev

And yet the Universe is infinite, is it not?

Kompressor · 05-24-2010, 02:59 PM

Depends on which theoretical physicist you talk to.

Blue_Dolphin · 05-24-2010, 03:03 PM

Gotta have faith.

The Rev · 05-24-2010, 03:04 PM

The Universe can't be infinite, otherwise the relationships between it and the things within it wouldn't be rational. For example, if you take the earth and the moon as finite objects in an infinite space, the earth's size in proportion to the Universe is exactly the same as the Moon's size in proportion to the Universe. However, their proportions to each other would remain different. There is a contradiction that arises there, and there are no contradictions in nature.

The Rev

hijabihippie · 05-24-2010, 03:10 PM

What about bumblebees? Aerodynamically, they are too heavy to fly. Yet, fly they do.

The Rev · 05-24-2010, 03:14 PM

That's actually not true. Bumblebees were thought to be unable to fly because it was assumed that their wings were flat, like a honeybee's, during flight. When they realized that the bumblebee curved its wings, the mystery of how it achieved lift was solved.

The Rev

verklingen · 05-24-2010, 03:22 PM

rev brings the truth, BUT

there's no reason for the universe to exist, and yet it does

JcP · 05-24-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

The Universe can't be infinite, otherwise the relationships between it and the things within it wouldn't be rational. For example, if you take the earth and the moon as finite objects in an infinite space, the earth's size in proportion to the Universe is exactly the same as the Moon's size in proportion to the Universe. However, their proportions to each other would remain different. There is a contradiction that arises there, and there are no contradictions in nature.

The Rev

I'm not following you here Rev, can you be more specific?

05-23-2010, 09:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	The Existence of God is Unprovable By definition, God is infinite in every way that a being could be measured. Since we live in a Universe where only finite phenomena exist, no evidence for an infinite being could ever be found. Even if God came out, and performed every act ascribed to Him in the Old Testament, one would have no way of knowing with certainty that it was God that performed the acts, and not some imposter. The way Man has come to understand God has cut God off from Man ever possibly knowing Him with certainty. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

05-23-2010, 09:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,361 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3,069 Times in 1,634 Posts	I suggest you view the last few pages of the 'do you believe in the bible?' thread. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

05-23-2010, 12:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
The_Jester The Fool Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 365 Thanks: 239 Thanked 178 Times in 98 Posts	Excuse me dearest sir, can you please help prove to me that I exist? __________________ In LOVING kindness, The forum fool.

05-23-2010, 12:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	The point was that a being that exists on infinite terms cannot be proven to exist in a Universe which is expressed only by the finite. I thought that was clear. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

05-23-2010, 02:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
The_Jester The Fool Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 365 Thanks: 239 Thanked 178 Times in 98 Posts	I'm a panthiest as well. I was merely being "cutesy" because, what's there to discuss in a thread like this? I didn't mean to de-rail anything. {my attempt to be more productive after making a shit post. See below -} By that same logic though, do you believe we will ever understand the human-mind, that which consciousness is a product of? __________________ In LOVING kindness, The forum fool.

05-23-2010, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~Dantastic~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: A suburb Posts: 1,081 Thanks: 285 Thanked 325 Times in 219 Posts	LOL how can you look around you at life, the universe and all the things in it and say you cant prove God exists...do you have any idea how inhospitable earth is to life? and yet here we are. Also, if you look around, some very powerful people are doing alot of very shady things involving witchcraft and satanism. I may not be able to prove a God, but I can damn sure tell you there is a devil...and wouldnt that mean there is a good to that evil? Ill say this as many times as I need to... The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he diddn't exist. You people have put FAR to much faith in your physical senses, enough to where if you don't know about something, and cant use your physical senses to experience it, you dismiss it as crazy or just untrue. and that...well that's bullshit.

05-23-2010, 05:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	If you start a thread on that topic, I'd have a few things to say. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

05-24-2010, 02:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,361 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3,069 Times in 1,634 Posts	Depends on which theoretical physicist you talk to. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

05-24-2010, 03:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue_Dolphin Verk's Princess Join Date: May 2006 Location: In my own little world Posts: 933 Thanks: 205 Thanked 194 Times in 98 Posts	Gotta have faith. __________________

05-24-2010, 03:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	The Universe can't be infinite, otherwise the relationships between it and the things within it wouldn't be rational. For example, if you take the earth and the moon as finite objects in an infinite space, the earth's size in proportion to the Universe is exactly the same as the Moon's size in proportion to the Universe. However, their proportions to each other would remain different. There is a contradiction that arises there, and there are no contradictions in nature. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

05-24-2010, 03:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
hijabihippie YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,481 Thanks: 1,152 Thanked 655 Times in 515 Posts	What about bumblebees? Aerodynamically, they are too heavy to fly. Yet, fly they do.

05-24-2010, 03:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,867 Thanks: 5,019 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	That's actually not true. Bumblebees were thought to be unable to fly because it was assumed that their wings were flat, like a honeybee's, during flight. When they realized that the bumblebee curved its wings, the mystery of how it achieved lift was solved. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

05-24-2010, 03:22 PM	#19 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	rev brings the truth, BUT there's no reason for the universe to exist, and yet it does __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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