Mercury

Have you ever experienced it? What was your experience like?


I've had about 5-6 experiences, I woud estimate. Only a few that I remember clearly. The scariest time was when I was a sophomore in HS. I remember that because I wore a memorable hoodie, it was a blue Old Navy one. And like most boys my room was messy cause I took my clothes off and threw them wherever. Well there was a big pile of clothes in front of my closet and one night I was laying in bed, on my side, facing the pile. That's when I felt the presence: the room got darker, I couldn't move, couldn't scream, couldn't hear. And I saw, out of the pile of clothes, that same blue hoodie rise up as if something was wearing it. It walked over to the side of my bed and stood over me, then it turned around and sat on the side of my bed. I could feel the bed sink. Then it layed back over the top of me. I could see the hoodie actually lean over the side of my body and I felt it's weight hold me there. I don't remember what happened next but I'm sure that like all the other times I jumped up as soon as I could move and darted towards the light switch.

I've felt the presence hold me down many times before, but that time was so much more unique because of the clothes.

Dantastic

glad someone else felt it too, i've had this happen to me a few times in life, times when i was VERY addicted to drugs, times when I was on the verge of becoming something I wouldn't make it back from.

The first time I was laying in bed after being on coke for days, and I felt hands wrap around my wrists, I could feel the individual fingers wrap around my wrists and hold them there, I could feel the sheets tighten around my wrists, and I couldn't move or breath, or yell for help, I prayed so hard, I tried to call out for Jesus, but the thing holding me down was stealing my breath and words from out of my mouth, the sound, the sound was like being in between dimensions, it was the sound of hyperspace, I only know this now because of my dmt experiances.

The second time it happened, years later, I was laying on my bed after a particularly hard extacy binge(mixed with meth I later found out), I felt a hand try to grab my foot, and as I turned over, the hands and weight were back on top of me, and the sound was back, like a grinding noise, again couldn't move or anything, but this time, there was a ghostly face right in mine, I could make out eyes and a mouth, it was there, staring at me.

Quite frankly, the theory that these are natural occurrences of "sleep paralysis" is a fucking joke. I know better.

It should be clear, that evil is very real. Nor is there any reason to believe that evil, so prominent in the natural realm, would not be just as likely to exist in the paranormal.


The Nightmare, by Henry Fuseli (1781) is thought to be one of the classic depictions of sleep paralysis perceived as a demonic visitation.

Dantastic

and things like this are bullshit, like on ehow.com

"Recognize that you're suffering from nothing more than a miscue. Your brain, which prevents you from acting out your dreams by paralyzing your body, simply hasn't realized that you've awakened. It continues to dream, which is why you see things that aren't really there and why you can't move."

Ok so im supposed to believe hundreds of thousands of people have the SAME fucking hallucinations as EVERYONE else who has suffered from sleep paralysis?

Yeah fucking right...sorry but the "miscue" to the brain story, i just don't fucking buy it.

Mercury

It's a fear like no other. If anyone hasn't experienced it yet then I can only say it is like being in the presence of pure evil. There's no other way to describe it.

Half of the mornings I wake up I am still half a sleep, and I see figures everywhere. Yes that's strange too, but it doesn't compare at all to the experience of the dark shadow. Sometimes I wake up and think I see spiders crawling up the walls, or I see faces out of random objects... THAT is dreams mixing in with the real world, and it is not nearly as terrifying.

Rubix

A few times lasting no more than 10 seconds but scary none the less

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verklingen

sleep paralysis is a real phenomenon, that causes real hallucinations in people. but even realizing this, i can't discount the power of such an experience to help shape the psyche. it's the same with psychedelic drugs. they're just chemicals, but we make them so much more. not pretend, not imagine. make

never had this happen to me, tho i spent many nights in self-induced awake paralysis imagining that aliens could see through walls with their technology, and moving blankets were their prime target

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The Rev

I've only felt it twice, and it wasn't scary to me. Both times, I was napping in the afternoon, and I felt like something let go within me, and an enormous surge of power was rushing through my body, like I was a conduit through which all the energy of the Universe was coursing. I would try to move or open my eyes but I couldn't. Eventually, though, I would "figure it out" and fully awaken.

One of the times, my bike, which was hanging from the ceiling, was moving around like I had just touched it, even though no one had been in the room. I told my girlfriend about it and it freaked her out.



The Rev

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Dantastic

There is nothing that causes the SAME hallucinations in people across the board, it just doesn't happen, its bullshit.

You put so much faith in your physical senses and wanna call everything paranormal some kind of mind fuck or something...

again ill quote this...

It should be clear, that evil is very real. Nor is there any reason to believe that evil, so prominent in the natural realm, would not be just as likely to exist in the paranormal.

Stop trying to explain everything away with science, science has failed, and will continue to fail.

verklingen

people don't have the same hallucinations. every event recounted in this thread is completely different, and people have shared that their own experiences have not each been "the same."

look man just because you're all hopped up on the veracity of your own hallucinations (which is don't deny at all, you're the one experiencing it and can take it how you like [and i'm glad you take it in a way that can help you]) doesn't mean that they apply across the board and everyone with sleep is being visited by evil spirits. if there is such a thing as the paranormal (i lean towards yes) then i believe it's as much up for interpretation as what goes on in our own minds

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Dantastic

yes, they all are generally the same, that's where there are words for it in every language.

paranormal haters gonna paranormal hate.

and I don't think what the rev experienced was sleep paralysis...it doesn't fit WITH EVERYONE ELSE'S EXPERIENCES OF A BEING HOLDING THEM DOWN.

so other than that, every experience ive read, is entirely to similar to be "science". im not the only one "hopped up" merc obviously felt the need to post this because of how real it is, and as far as I saw, me and him had basically the same shit happen, seems to me you didn't read it or you'd of been able to see that.

verklingen

sorry man a dancing hoodie and tightening sheets is mighty different in my eyes. the feeling of being unable to move or breathe is common though.

i'm not saying you're wrong in how you judge your experience. for all i know a certain set of brain pathways could have been activated, enabling spirits beyond the veil to approach you in the manner your mindset attracts. what i'm saying is that you don't have to judge other people's experiences for them.

as a final note, just because something happens in your mind doesn't make it any less real. everything happens in your mind

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Waves

theres no 'evil' involved. the 'evil' is in your mind. just like the only place it exists here in the real world is in our minds.

sleep paralysis is a common stage of lucid dreaming/oobe experiences, and people who have trained themselves to comfortably enter these states experience no evil whatsoever. personally i think this state is pretty much a natural psychedelic state that we can enter at will, a more surreal abstract kind of perception of reality that lends itself to hallucinations and stuff like that.

in fact i would theorize that its the fear itself that creates the manifestation of evil. our minds are powerful things, and when you are in an altered state like sleep paralysis you can manifest visions of hell and demons just as someone on psychedelics can. the states are extremely similar. ive experienced it hundreds of times practicing my own LD/OOBe stuff. what usually happens is a person who is unfamiliar with sleep paralysis, upon realizing they cannot move their body, becomes extremely anxious and in this altered state that anxiety is expressed very differently, it can be through hallucinations of evil and fear.

when you go into the experience without the beliefs in evil and without the fear you can run into some really cool experiences. but if you are a religious person and you get afraid you will see your beliefs come to life in front of you in full 3-D and it can be a not so pleasant experience. someone whos not so religious will just manifest a blue hoody. makes perfect sense to me.

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Flamingnun

I've had sleep paralysis on numerous occasions, although it was definatley more frequent when I was consuming a lot of e's back in the day. 99% of the time I've had them, it's like being encased underneath invisible concrete, you cant move, feel like you cant breathe, and you can't scream for help.

I've never sensed a physical "presence" during SP, but they're never been pleasant or particularly positive experiences. Some people experience distorted gravity hallucinations and see/feel themselves sliding along walls, some people as documented across various texts throughout history, experience a physical form holding them down. One rule doesn't apply to everyone.

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Waves

the whole feeling a presence thing is pretty common, to the point where this legend was created and still exists today

Incubus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

im not bashing dan's beliefs to be clear- beliefs are very real and the stuff you experience while in these states are very real. im just saying that its belief and belief only. beliefs arent truth, for the most part your beliefs are just how you choose to see the world.

some people get the presence some people dont. i dont. i just cant move my body and instead of fighting it i relax and allow myself to just either drift off to sleep or enter deeper layers of consciousness like obes and lucid dreams.

the one common thing though that makes it obvious to me that the stuff you see is a dream/hallucination(which once again these are very real) is that people who are afraid conjur these images of incubus/demons and people who arent dont. thats a pretty straightforward sign to me that the stuff you see and experience probably has alot to do with your own consciousness and beliefs and mindset.

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Xil

first time this happened to me it was fucking terrifying. I didnt hallucinate but i was 100% convinced i had broken my neck in my sleep and would never move again. I would have cried out in despair but i couldnt

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cantSEEme

damn, i've never experienced this.

sounds like it would suck ass, tho.

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Waves

only if yer scared. if not heres a good account of the type of shit you can train your mind to do:

http://www.consciousdreaming.com/luc...xperiences.htm

Well I am digressing, it seems almost like a slight bilocation of awareness, being aware you're observing this from somewhere/place beyond ties of the body and yet you're also slightly conscious of feeling your body but in a strange loose energetic way. So if I can get to this point, I will wind up being in a state of bilocation and my physical body will be in the vibrational state. There will be a flowing mild current of electric-like ripples through my body. It doesn't hurt but sometimes the vibrations can get very intense and seem "hard to take" even spooky or scary at first. (It gets easier each time until eventually it is pleasurable

But If I can just resist the urge to fight the vibes or analyze them, INSTEAD of thinking so much and analyzing what's happening, I will just let go of all of myself into the moment. Because I know that if I am in the vibrational stage I am that much closer to lifting "out" of my physical body. I will now *know* that I AM going to have an OBE and I just vaguely know and intend to have one. The vibrations will increase and become full-blown waves which are rippling through me accompanied by a humming buzz-like "Mmnmnmn" sound. It's almost like all of my body is being contracted to one point which is slowly flowing up and then down my physical body.

At this point, once the vibrations are full-blown I now will intend to leave the body. I will just rock my awareness back and forth or sometimes just the thought and intent is enough, but eventually I'll just be catapulted somehow from the body, sometimes a lift-out, sometimes I can just stand up and get "out" of bed and body

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LHM

^That sounds epic. Haven't been able to get any more lucid stuff happening since I spoke to you about it a few years ago.

I've had one experience with sleep paralysis. It was when I quit smoking pot, and I fell asleep on my back. I didn't really feel any evil presence from memory, but it wasn't a nice feeling either. Flamingnun's description was pretty spot on, being incased in concrete. Except I could look at my arms and shit and wonder "wtf ".

Kinda want it to happen again. I love when weird shit happens during sleep. It's exciting.

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Dantastic

Me and you actually talked about this the second time it happened to me, you were the one who told me about sleep paralysis and let me know it was a real thing.

Yes you are right, but the similarities of the stories are pretty damn close if you ask me. Close enough that I have to question a brain miscue.

I have also been thrown against walls and drug across them, its funny you should bring that up as I wasn't sure if that was apart of it or not.

Something that was comming with all my experiances and from what ive read could be a very common source of the problem is extreme self loathing or regret. All the times I had that happen to me, I could say that was the case with me.

I am curious though, mercury, where was the hoodie when you got out of bed? was it where you left it? or was it sitting next to the bed after the experience?

I only ask because generally hallucinations mean its not real, if the hoodie was moved...well then you have a whole new can of worms...

FourtySecondRip

i have this every single time i fall asleep on my back.... i also have narcolepsy so its pretty easy for me to fall asleep in any position when im off my meds but i avoid falling asleep in recliners or on my back in bed like the plague because i will automatically have sleep paralysis. half the time it will lead to lucid dreams but the other half im just trapped and its horrifying. i am prescribed dextroamphetamines in the daytime and ghb at night to combat the narcolepsy but occasionally i run out for a few days between refills and ill pass out in a recliner or chair and its the absolute worst. i always remember the entire experience when it is freaky also so the full next day i spend in a super shitty mood. when the dream does make the break to lucid its not so bad tho. it still starts out scary as fuck.. me thinking im drowning or falling from the sky and then if im lucky i will magically figure out how to breathe underwater or sprout wings to control the experience. if im unlucky i just end up with a shitty dream where i feel awake and cant move at all and usually die. also if the tv is still on i always hallucinate a full show that isnt actually on at that time of the day. ill wake up and its just infomercials or something but when im stuck in the halfway house of hell ill think some show i regularly watch was on. and its really just a flip of the coin wether i conquer that particular night and make the dream lucid, or i suffer until i fully wake out of it.

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