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Old 08-30-2010, 06:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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We must evolve

we must evolve
It is time to evolve above typical societal standards.

We no longer need others to govern us, we can easily become a self-governing society.

We should all pick a day where the entire world disengages from the "Big Game".

In the future, there will be no countries, war, poverty or starvation.

The New World is being built by those that use their whole brain -- the advanced Humans on this planet

We must stop having people feed us information, govern us and set rules and boundaries upon us

If you can critically think and become responsible enough to self-govern, you are officially part of the "advanced race"

For those stuck in the world of "politics", "economics", "religion", "war", victimization and the control of nature...that is of the past, we no longer live in that era, we are at the end of that era

Face it:

it's time to use your whole brain

we do not need rules

we do not need laws

because we SHOULD be more responsible than that,

we do not need price tags on food, we should be more loving than that

the list goes on

food for thought, i know everyone cares about all the other bullshit stuff on the `net, but hey...how about the shit that impacts HUMANITY? I mean how do you even argue that?

not that i am trying to

but how do you argue that?

it's simple, people need to use their brain, be responsible, critically think and have sincere love for self and sincere understanding of self to relate to others

how do you argue that we need to step up to the plate and actually be a useful "race" on the planet?
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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O.o

you think you're the first to think this?
maybe you should 'use your whole brain' and realize that everything you just preached against was not only made to better your life, but is most likely the only reason you're alive.

if there were no law, and you were close enough. i might just be compelled to kill you.

oh and whats with this 'be more loving' bs, then you post some satanic shit that preaches selfishness over all other emotions?

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we must evolve
It is time to evolve above typical societal standards.
We no longer need others to govern us, we can easily become a self-governing society.
We should all pick a day where the entire world disengages from the "Big Game".
In the future, there will be no countries, war, poverty or starvation.
if there were no one to govern us, war would be the everyday way of life. and survival.
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The New World is being built by those that use their whole brain -- the advanced Humans on this planet
wait, your more advanced human because you foolishly believe anarchy can exist and result in any thing good?
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We must stop having people feed us information, govern us and set rules and boundaries upon us
If you can critically think and become responsible enough to self-govern, you are officially part of the "advanced race"
For those stuck in the world of "politics", "economics", "religion", "war", victimization and the control of nature...that is of the past, we no longer live in that era, we are at the end of that era
Face it:
it's time to use your whole brain
we do not need rules
we do not need laws
because we SHOULD be more responsible than that,
we do not need price tags on food, we should be more loving than that
this in bold is the only thing i can agree on.



but other than all that, right on.
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We are the greatest God that ever was or ever will be. Christs and Buddhas are but waves on the boundless ocean which I am. Bow down to nothing but your Self. Until you know that you are the very God of gods, there will never be any freedom for you.
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Once you can get everyone to agree that violence and coercion are not the way to solve problems, everything will fall into place. Good luck getting them to agree on that, tho.



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We are the greatest God that ever was or ever will be. Christs and Buddhas are but waves on the boundless ocean which I am. Bow down to nothing but your Self. Until you know that you are the very God of gods, there will never be any freedom for you.
Unfortunately more and more people are buying into this mind set. The age of Aquarius is upon us and soon there will be a much bigger deal about what religions people choose to adhere to.

The thing about believing what satan has to say is, he really only laces things with truth, its true you can be LIKE a god, but you will never be God, and at what cost to yourself does this power come?

Very few people make it through the abyss to more powerful areas of magic/kabbala.

Which begs the question, if you do in fact reap what you sow, and satan sows deceit, then wouldn't it be safe to say that he himself is deceived into thinking hes running anything.
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We are the greatest God that ever was or ever will be. Christs and Buddhas are but waves on the boundless ocean which I am. Bow down to nothing but your Self. Until you know that you are the very God of gods, there will never be any freedom for you.
Nicely put.
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To me, the ideal society would be one where the question of religion didn't really arise for people, or if it did, it wasn't a heavy question for them. They would say to each other, "You know, those humans used to believe, back there in 2010, some of them believed there was this God and he did this and that... others didn't, and they did TV programs about why they didn't. What a funny debate that was!". So it would be a post-theist society, where it just wasn't an issue.
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Unfortunately more and more people are buying into this mind set. The age of Aquarius is upon us and soon there will be a much bigger deal about what religions people choose to adhere to.

The thing about believing what satan has to say is, he really only laces things with truth, its true you can be LIKE a god, but you will never be God, and at what cost to yourself does this power come?

Very few people make it through the abyss to more powerful areas of magic/kabbala.

Which begs the question, if you do in fact reap what you sow, and satan sows deceit, then wouldn't it be safe to say that he himself is deceived into thinking hes running anything.
I think this post in the 'non-theism' thread will add some layers to what he is talking about as far as 'Satan'. It's an opposition to what we know, it seems, rather than a worship of an entity.

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well to the atheistic satanist satan is not "the devil" its the idea of freedom from religious oppression,as in freedom, because judeo-christians being the cons they where, stole many concepts of an even earlier pagan belief, as in order of osris and isis and they also stole the name Lucifer who was originally the pagan god of light , yet Christians raped and murdered many pagans burnt their records and stole their concepts and change Lucifer to the fallen angel
" lol so in turn the a new pagan order was founded and stole the name satan from the judeo-christian concept and changed that concept cuz judeo-christians did that same thing with the name Lucifer and then lavey stole the concept of satan and used it as a symbol of freedom get it? while theistic satanist well the organ is kinda unkown but they as well don't worship the same concept of satan as chrsitians understand it, in fact judeo-christians only believe in the devil as one of their gods. blessed be
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arent we governing ourselves now.... you can break away and form a new "self governing" system and it will just turn into the same things, power breeds power. We are what we are because we are humans and we have basic human tendencies. I hate to sound like im waving the white flag, but I kind of am. but good luck with your 666 New World Order!
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We are the greatest God that ever was or ever will be. Christs and Buddhas are but waves on the boundless ocean which I am. Bow down to nothing but your Self. Until you know that you are the very God of gods, there will never be any freedom for you.
way to debunk the argument you asked for.


is it just me or does it seem like this guy reads nothing but his own posts?
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I think this post in the 'non-theism' thread will add some layers to what he is talking about as far as 'Satan'. It's an opposition to what we know, it seems, rather than a worship of an entity.
Interesting viewpoint, Sage. The Greek from which we get "Satan" is:

Σατανᾶς Satanas (sat-an-as`)
1. the Adversary
2. (figuratively) the Accuser
3. Satan, the devil

From Hebrew:

שָׂטָן satan (saw-tawn') n-m.
1. an opponent
2. especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good
from שָׂטַן satan (saw-tan') v.
1. to attack, (figuratively) accuse
[a primitive root]
  • Prohibitionists are "Satan" (opposed) to freedom-ists
  • Other religions are "Satan" (opposed) to Christianity (from it's own perspective)
  • Peter was "Satan" (opposed) to Jesus when he argued with him in Matthew 16:23.

This is why we need oneness. The nature of "Satan" is opposition/division and this is the very nature of the current world system and the dualistic (opposed) minds that drive it. It does need to evolve, that is, become whole/healed. I think this is, at least in part, what Witchman is expressing from a particular point of view. One of his examples is to use the whole brain, which is vastly different from being typically right or left-brained, or 10%-brained. These conditions are naturally opposed to their higher, whole, nature.

Opposition, not entity. SageTree nailed it.
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I think this post in the 'non-theism' thread will add some layers to what he is talking about as far as 'Satan'. It's an opposition to what we know, it seems, rather than a worship of an entity.
Thats a bullshit lie most lower level magicians and satanists will tell you, now, they dont think its a lie, they arent told about the real stuff until they get into higher rites of magic and satanism.

I love how these people who are sworn to secrecy by death are supposed to be giving you all this great info about their religion.

I study magic and satanism, and weather or not your an "athiestic satanist" or not, you're still serving satan.

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as in freedom, because judeo-christians being the cons they where, stole many concepts of an even earlier pagan belief, as in order of osris and isis and they also stole the name Lucifer who was originally the pagan god of light , yet Christians raped and murdered many pagans burnt their records and stole their concepts and change Lucifer to the fallen angel
" lol so in turn the a new pagan order was founded and stole the name satan from the judeo-christian concept and changed that concept cuz judeo-christians did that same thing with the name Lucifer and then lavey stole the concept of satan and used it as a symbol of freedom get it? while theistic satanist well the organ is kinda unkown but they as well don't worship the same concept of satan as chrsitians understand it, in fact judeo-christians only believe in the devil as one of their gods. blessed be
im so sick of this zietgiesty crap being peddled around, about how christianity stole its ideas, thats been proven to be false and its funny those ideas only sprang up around the time helena blavatski and manley p. hall were writing books about the occult. Meanwhile claiming Christianity stole its ideas and such, Acharya S also likes to claim things like this. Its seriously a small handful of people with little to no evidence that has started this movement of lies.

but like I said before, everything said in the above paragraph is what lower level magicians/satanists believe, its crap, but its what they are told until they get into higher rights of magic.

Also, the people who destroyed those records were romans and not very christian as Constantine had made it compulsory to be a Christian at that time, so it was just the thing to do, but the reason they were destroyed is because they were volumes upon volumes of magic and occult knowledge, id hate to think what info made it out into the wrong hands.

The only thing that rivals my Bible study is my study of the occult and satanism.
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Interesting viewpoint, Sage.
Nice look up-age BG. I knew this idea of Satan coming from the Arabic word associated with 'adversary', which I imagine has some over lap in word and philosophy with Judaism/Hebrew. If I'm not mistaken I remember reading about how Satan as an entity was something brought back from captivity in Babylon and the religions they encountered there.

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Thats a bullshit lie most lower level magicians and satanists will tell you, now, they dont think its a lie, they arent told about the real stuff until they get into higher rites of magic and satanism.......
Hey Brother, nicely formed post. Just wanted to provide some form of reference for you since this members posts seem to build on each other. So yea... that's all. Not here telling you anything, just trying to aid in understanding one's point. Cheers
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I could have been a little more tactful but i am and have been quite high for the past week or 2 and I get all blah with my language and stuff.

that form of satanism and witchcraft is the kind that doesnt acknowledge the deities of the Bible, and that doesn't make it any less real. Its just elemental magic and not so much summoning demons and such.

Its actually funny this comes up because I don't get into it that often but a friend of mine showed me a video from someone who was into this stuff at one point and its pretty easy to understand.

religion is a lot like politics. if you understand the other persons side its easier to defend mine. I don't understand how someone expects to be close to God and not understand the other side.

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but i am and have been quite high for the past week or 2


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I could have been a little more tactful but i am and have been quite high for the past week or 2 and I get all blah with my language and stuff.

that form of satanism and witchcraft is the kind that doesnt acknowledge the deities of the Bible, and that doesn't make it any less real. Its just elemental magic and not so much summoning demons and such.

Its actually funny this comes up because I don't get into it that often but a friend of mine showed me a video from someone who was into this stuff at one point and its pretty easy to understand.

religion is a lot like politics. if you understand the other persons side its easier to defend mine. I don't understand how someone expects to be close to God and not understand the other side.
Are you high right now?!


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I appreciate your interest and agree that studying all angles helps you form your own.

So on that note, I have to say for clarity and perhaps you would agree or this is what you're saying, I find Pagans and Satanists are two separate things and 'Witchcraft' has a black and white side, like all religions traditions. Abuse of power isn't exclusive.

I can't ignore how they are mixed and integrated, but I can't ignore there are people in each practice that nothing to do with the other one, each claiming to practice witchcraft.

The only rule I was ever experienced in the Kraft was "Do what you will, Harm None."

I don't wish to get into or talk about how it relates to Christianity or Not.

I just wanted to state I feel a lot of practicing pagans I've meant want nothing more that to separate itself from Satanism, of any kind or misconception of their practice.
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We are the greatest God that ever was or ever will be. Christs and Buddhas are but waves on the boundless ocean which I am. Bow down to nothing but your Self. Until you know that you are the very God of gods, there will never be any freedom for you.
My philosophy as well.

The only caveat is that everyone else is the ocean as well. So I do not bow to myself any more than I bow to anyone else.

the danger of "I am" is to forget that "he is I am" and "she is I am" too.

Which, to me, is where satanism takes a wrong turn.
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If there was a baseline for 'accountability' in everyone's lives, much of what the OP stated could be plausible.

But, for it to work everyone would have to commit to the 'collective' of humanity. That ain't gonna happen.

And if it did, you would have all those employed in the sectors that count on profit, greed, laws etc. complaining that society would fail without restriction. To say the least.

Bouncing around a little...
I feel as though no one religion has it all down. I don't claim a faith. I claim spirituality. There are fundies that would probably tell me that I'm hell bound.



I have made some poor choices in my life. Some of them came out all right, but some totally blew back in my face.

On one occasion I put my life at risk one day as I darted off the curb and raced across the street to make sure a lady and her newborn weren't blindside by a bus. And they weren't but fuck if I didn't feel the air move behind my head as the rearview mirror of the bus went behind me.

So, how do I measure up with no claim to any faith, compared to the guy who finally 'got saved' after he went to prison for rape and murder? I'm not worried about it.

I also work with some exceptionally religiously devoted individuals, and I have to tell you, as often as I see or hear a reference to a biblical verse by them, they also stink of ethnocentrism. Are all those who share the same beliefs or choices, the same?

No.

And that goes across the board.

Such as....

Slayer.
Musicians and non musicians alike, will either support or criticize the band. This is a true statement.

As a musician, I'll tell you they created the genre they dominate. Please point me in the direction of another band who has the death grip on writing in Eb Phrygian like they do. As a fan of the music, and history, please point me in the direction of a band whose catalogue covers the side of humanity that exists every moment of every day, but nobody wants to think about.

IMO, 'Balance' is the single most important contributor to the human condition. Without conflict, we as a race would become complacent. I feel like it would decimate competition, and in turn, the need to create, as art while it is the ultimate form of expression, is indeed still a competition. Self preservation is a catalyst for creativity.

Or we could be generic.


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