John F. Kerry

it seems to me like this same type of thing carries on to today.

society is one way,


hippies and young people and people who take mind altering substances wish it was another way,

and then what ends up happening is they either stop doing drugs and "straighten up and fly right", or they keep up their drug and peace and free love lifestyles and eventually face problems either from society or from themselves or from some other aspect of their actions... few people live the dream hippie life - except maybe famous musicians and actors etc...

whats a young person to do? well, obviously, as henry david thoreau (sp?) said , they will see the well trodden paths in life and , fearful lest they shall always be hungry in mind and body they decide to follow the road well travelled in hopes of living a good life...

the problem with hippies and losing the 60s is that they were never able to articulate a full and complete "alternative reality" or lifestyle, that would, ultimately, work in the long run. whether hard drugs brought untimely deaths, or people simply couldnt sit around and get stoned and not have jobs because they couldnt afford to do so... ultimately the ideals of the 60s, and the idea that you should live life totally unencumbered by unpleasantries, just live in total bliss, contentment, fulfillment, etc... its a nice idea, but like relativity, no one could seem to fully explain how it would come about.

i wonder if it would be a combination of some right wing stuff with some hippy stuff that would create a better theory of how it would all fit together- or if perhaps it would be something that doesnt resemble either.

its like when you were in college and you learned about astronomy and earth sciences and shit- how you were amazed at how much of a speck we are on this earth , a tiny mote in the universe in a fleeting microsecond of time....but then u have to come back to earth and basically live your entire life in the generally accepted abstraction that most people also live in....


say the world is like the matrix, now say tommorow the entire system was booted up in a different way.... people might look at the amazing realities of existance and then .... (i dont know).... but instead of just looking at them and then dismissing them or not thinking about them , or putting your head down and keeping your eyes on the prize etc... instead of living your life as a worker in a machine that u actually know isnt really what everything is about, that instead there would be some alternative.

the only thing that makes the right way the right way is because its got the whole weight of history and precedent on its side.... now im also sure that many "other" ways would be bad, and wouldnt work.... if only there were a way to find another way without commiting to it... like being able to see how things would be if everyone actually took daily stock of the miraculousness of human existance and lived their lives accordingly....

would we try to acomplish more? or less? or be happier ? or experience more or less pleasure?

i think the reason hippies lost the 60s isnt because they didnt have a lot of good ideas, but because they werent able to take the best parts of those ideas and fashion a worldview and system of being out of them that could endure and be as flexible and seemingly in line with human nature as the way things are was....

so people who are left feeling that life is missing something, that we go thru life without really doing anything important, i hold out hope that someday someone will figure out what the hippies got right and how it fits into the whole world.

...wow...

so . any comments on that bit of work

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Grieves

Too many generalizations, do not care

tg; dc


The "hippies" lost the second they put down the weed and started using smack and blow...Ask anyone from that era and that is what they will echo...

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kamikazi89

hippies won in the sixties(overall)
the seventies were the big fail
ps
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/cannabi...upporters.html

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SageTree

I'm not sure they 'lost' because I don't feel it can be that black and white.
People who were hippies then didn't just 'check out' as no one really can with anything.
Life is an integration that works it's way into our minds, therefore these hippies still carried a piece of their experience into the integrated life they then started leading.

I don't think the draft was repealed completely on the good nature of Washington, as a for instance of a 'win' in an effort to stay black and white and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of things like this and the thinly veiled ones that became integrated.

I don't consider myself a 'hippie' although for many practical purposes I suppose I fit the definition. A 'for instance' for me keeping my beliefs and integrating with this idea of 'other' I dress nicely, although it's all second hand and a little "out of fashion", and I keep long hair and a beard, BUT.... I know it's a lot easier to keep it in a healthy appearance trimming my beard once in a while and getting a trim/cut once a year on my head. This gives me an opp. to be 'in society' while also infecting it with my 'nazi liberal agenda'

I don't know if that is the kind of 'mixing' you were looking for, but I'm sure I can scratch up a few more instances or talk about what being integrated means to me.

An off topic assimilation would be me wearing $.50 collared shirts to landscape in so I look nice when I'm crawling around people's yards working on their plants. I see how the people in stained and falling apart work clothes get treated by the home owners and I'm constantly mistaken for the 'boss' of the crew because of my appearance.

I wear collared shirts most of the time anyways, and 2nd hand shopping allows me to keep up a decent look, since people judge so much on clothes, while still maintaining my goals of being a plant man and a little far out for some folks.

Not really a 'hippie' example, just a small ways to conform to the larger benefit of 'getting in the door' of people's judgments to talk. Which I think is more what you are getting at, breaking that barrier.

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SageTree

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Roach

politics.


seems not nearly enough people wanted peace and poverty,

so you get what's left.

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kitch

the utopian vision was essentially crushed by the double whammy of charles manson and altamont. It became obvious that positive attitudes and good drugs wouldn't immediately solve all of the ills of the world.

I would say however that overall the hippies have one. All state sanctioned prejudice has been eliminated, environmentalism is only gaining speed and and there's an ever increasing openness to alternative lifestyles of all types.

I also think that it's pretty likely the whole thing collapsed under it's own weight. When it was just a few handfuls of hippies accross the country they could support themselves p well, but when thousands and thousands of kids run away to join the circus without any resources or money it's a recipe for disaster.

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also...see sig.

lolz

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cantSEEme

most of your post i got, and to a degree, kind of agree with (the majority hippie lifestyle was, imo, unsustainable), but then you end it with this, like the hippy era and hippies never gave society anything, and that's not true at all. steve jobs, and to an extent steve wozniac were hippies. alot of hippies formed communes, and lived off the land. organic farming/living, environmentalism, free clinics. they definitely helped society in general become less sexually repressed. and agreed with the era being destroyed by hard drugs, negative press (such as the manson family), the weight of itself.

heres a documentary i saw a while back on the history channel, called "hippies". i thought it was pretty good, a little on the conservative side.

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Bad dog

imo the hippy thing was a pre - post student thing. Young people with more money than ever before in education. It's really hard to be a hippy once you have a family, unless you live in a comune and it ain't easy living in a comune.

Added to this that most hippies got university degrees and where sucked up into corperate america to be well paid for doing nothing.

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farmergiles

Ever hear the phrase "never trust a hippy"?

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SageTree

That's funny, because I know a lot of 'hippie' kids with trust funds...

That IS what you meant right?

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farmergiles

No not really.

I'm always a little suspicious of those who profess peace and love.. I know that sounds terrible but I wait to see the evidence.. there are too many hippies who talk the talk but can't do the walk....

Of course that is a generalisation and is not supposed to be a reflection on how people dress or look and certainly not aimed at Yahooka, for the most part we have a fine crop of sandal wearers.

I've known a lot of money orientated backstabbers who flew under the flag of "hippy".

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Also how can you trust someone who doesn't believe in balance...

this hippie once told me "i don't pay attention to negativity"

I laughed and asked them how life with no highs or lows was...

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SageTree

I was just playing with you FG

I just think that is another odd irony, what I mentioned.

I have known these type of 'hippies' you speak of.... all just a clever ploy to score drugs from other people so they look cool, friendly and approachable, all of which are fine and generally true of the stereotypical hippie.... but when they are proud of the ploy, it boggles my brain a little bit.

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stoneric

There never was a real definition of hippie. Back in the 60's you were considered a hippie for any number of reasons but it wasn't like you had to have multiple hippie tendancies to be considered a hippie. You could've been a long haired dope smoking hippie or a long haired draft dodging hippie or a long haired nigger loving hippie, whatever was convenient for the red necks.

Roach

most hippies became yuppies and now work for the very system they so strongly opposed.

If you can't beat em, join em sort of thing.

The hippie movement proved one thing, with Kent State, if you fight the system (in America) your truely fucked.

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Roach

Yuppie (short for "young urban professional" or "young upwardly-mobile professional")[1] is a term that refers to a member of the upper middle class in their twenties or thirties.[2] It first came into use in the early-1980s and largely faded from American popular culture in the late-1980s, due to the 1987 stock market crash and the early 1990s recession. However it has been used in the 2000s and 2010s in places such as in National Review, The Weekly Standard, and Details.[3][4][5]

Yuppies are made fun of for their conspicuous personal consumption and obsession over social status among their peers, which is seen as vain and materialistic. Cornell University economist Robert H. Frank, author of Luxury Fever, has remarked, "When people were denouncing yuppies, they had considerably lower incomes than yuppies, so the things yuppies spent their money on seemed frivolous and unnecessary from their vantage point."[3] Pro-skateboarder and businessman Tony Hawk has said that yuppies give "us visions of bright V-neck sweaters with collars underneath, and all that was vile in the eighties", and he has remarked as well as that a "bitchin’ tattoo can’t hide your inner desire to be Donald Trump."[6]

Author and political commentator Victor Davis Hanson has written:

Yuppism... is not definable entirely by income or class. Rather, it is a late-twentieth-century cultural phenomenon of self-absorbed young professionals, earning good pay, enjoying the cultural attractions of sophisticated urban life and thought, and generally out of touch with, indeed antithetical to, most of the challenges and concerns of a far less well-off and more parochial Middle America. For the yuppie male a well-paying job in law, finance, academia, or consulting in a cultural hub, hip fashion, cool appearance, studied poise, elite education, proper recreation and fitness, and general proximity to liberal-thinking elites, especially of the more rarefied sort in the arts, are the mark of a real man.[4]
A contradictory stereotype exists about yuppies are either more liberal than the blue-collar and more conservative than the urban poor. Yuppies greatly influenced both the Democratic and Republican parties, they usually register with a political party en masse when it is considered in style to affiliate with a certain political party (i.e. Republicans in the mid 1980's or late 1990's and Democrats in the early 1990's or late 2000's) and whoever president does successful in instituting economic policies, like Ronald Reagan in the 1980's and Bill Clinton in the 1990's, that benefited the yuppie and upper-middle class.[citation needed]

A typical yuppie woould serve sliced flank steak and an arugala salad at a barbeque.

Although the term yuppies had not appeared until the early 1980s, there was discussion about young urban professionals as early as 1968.

Critics believe that the demand for "instant executives" has led some young climbers to confuse change with growth. One New York consultant comments, "Many executives in their 20s and 30s have been so busy job-hopping that they've never developed their skills. They're apt to suffer a sudden loss of career impetus and go into a power stall."[7]

Joseph Epstein is credited for coining the term in 1982.[8] It is also said that an early printed appearance of the word was in a May 1980 Chicago magazine article by Dan Rottenberg.[9] The term gained currency in the United States in 1983 when syndicated newspaper columnist Bob Greene published a story about a business networking group founded in 1982 by the former radical leader Jerry Rubin, formerly of the Youth International Party (whose members were called yippies); Greene said he had heard people at the networking group (which met at Studio 54 to soft classical music) joke that Rubin had "gone from being a yippie to being a yuppie". The headline of Greene's story was From Yippie to Yuppie.[10][11] The proliferation of the word was effected by the publication of The Yuppie Handbook in January 1983 (a tongue-in-cheek take on The Official Preppy Handbook[12]), followed by Senator Gary Hart's 1984 candidacy as a "yuppie candidate" for President of the United States.[2] The term was then used to describe a political demographic group of socially liberal but fiscally conservative voters favoring his candidacy.[13] Newsweek magazine declared 1984 "The Year of the Yuppie", characterizing the salary range, occupations, and politics of yuppies as "demographically hazy".[2]

In a 1985 issue of The Wall Street Journal, Theressa Kersten at SRI International described a "yuppie backlash" by people who fit the demographic profile yet express resentment of the label: "You're talking about a class of people who put off having families so they can make payments on the BMWs ... To be a Yuppie is to be a loathsome undesirable creature". Leo Shapiro, a market researcher in Chicago, responded, "Stereotyping always winds up being derogatory. It doesn't matter whether you are trying to advertise to farmers, Hispanics or Yuppies, no one likes to be neatly lumped into some group".[2]

Later, the word lost its political connotations and, particularly after the 1987 stock market crash, gained the negative socio-economic connotations that it sports today. On April 8, 1991, TIME proclaimed the death of the yuppie in a mock obituary.[14]

In the 1990s, most yuppies made a transition to the middle class but they maintain an upper-middle level lifestyle, as they age well to their 30's and 40's the "yuppie" generation often got married and settled down to have children. The economic boom at the time have transformed some yuppies or higher-income couples into Bobos or the "bohemian bourgeois".[citation needed]

The term has experienced a resurgance in usage during the 2000s and 2010s. In October 2000, David Brooks remarked in a Weekly Standard article that Benjamin Franklin- due to his extreme wealth, cosmopolitianism, and adventurous social life- is "Our Founding Yuppie".[5] A recent article in Details proclaimed "The Return of the Yuppie", stating that "[t]he yuppie of 1986 and the yuppie of 2006 are so similar as to be indistinguishable" and "[h]e’s a shape-shifter... he finds ways to reenter the American psyche."[3] Victor Davis Hanson also recently wrote in National Review very critically of yuppies.[4]

There has been publicized talk of the "Second Generation yuppie", affluent children grown to young adulthood entering the white collar workforce in the 2000s. However, due to the global financial crisis of 2008-2009, speculation that yuppies would finally vanish as a subculture has shown their volatile status or they will become part of American history of pop culture alike the cowboy, pioneer, hippie and GI soldier.[citation needed]

[edit] Usage outside of the United States
A September 2010 article in The Standard described the items on a typical Hong Kong resident's "yuppie wish list" based on a survey of 28 to 35 year olds. About 58% wanted to own their own home, 40% wanted to professionally invest, and 28% wanted to become a boss.[15] A September 2010 article in the New York Times defined as a hallmark of Russian yuppie life adoption of yoga and other elements of Indian culture such as their clothes, food, and furniture.[16] The rise of the yuppie can be observed in developed nations such as Japan where the sarariman (Salary Man) took prominence in the 1980s and '90s, and upper-middle classes in white-collar careers throughout the western world.[citation needed] In Latin America, the term "yupi" is a neologism for residents of metropolitan Mexico City in Mexico and for Chileans when the country Chile experienced an economic boom in the 1990s to generate "yuppiedom" in South America.[citation needed]

[edit] Notable cultural depictions of yuppies
The Bonfire of the Vanities, by Tom Wolfe, a "satire of yuppie excess"[17]
Bright Lights, Big City by Jay McInerney[18] (McInerney himself has been called "the archetypal yuppie")[19]
Family Ties, the TV show, features a young Michael J. Fox as the Republican and 'yuppie-in-the-making' Alex P. Keaton in tie with his parents who used to be hippies.[20]
Fight Club, the 1996 Chuck Palahniuk novel and 1999 film adaptation, follows "a disenchanted yuppie ... numbed by the sterile materialism of modern life."[21]
In John Carpenter's They Live, a pair of working class protagonists come into possession of sunglasses that reveal yuppies as predatory aliens.
Girl with Curious Hair by David Foster Wallace, a short story about a young Republican after enjoying life after prep school with a group of punk rockers.[22]
Slaves of New York by Tama Janowitz[18] describes a later (early 1990s) evolution of the Yuppie, in which the upper tier made considerably more than the lower, supporting tier, the "slaves" of the title, who were trapped by rents and insufficient salaries into a struggle merely to stay afloat in Manhattan.
American Psycho, the 1991 Bret Easton Ellis novel and 2000 film about yuppie serial killer Patrick Bateman.[23][24][25][26][27][28][29]
thirtysomething, U.S. TV series, seen as a representation of "yuppie angst"[30]
Stuff White People Like, a satirical blog that pokes fun at generalizations and yuppie culture.[31]
Wall Street, the 1987 film about stock traders, has been described as "encapsulation of 80s yuppie greed culture", particularly Bud Fox, Charlie Sheen's naive 20-something character.[32]
"Yuppy Love", a 1989 Only Fools and Horses episode based on Gordon Gekko from Wall Street, in which Del Boy reinvents himself as a yuppy and hangs out in trendy wine bars.[33]
Christmas Vacation, a 1989 comedy, features neighbors Todd and Margo as the quintessential yuppies [34]
Married with Children a FOX comedy sitcom (1987–97) featured the Bundy's neighbors: A couple lead by twice married Marcy D'Arcy (her two husbands Steve Rhodes and Jefferson D'Arcy, are upwardly mobile men she's attracted to), a bipolar paleoliberal-neoconservative feminist banker who loathes their blue-collar neighbors and she bullies Al Bundy, a failed shoe salesman.

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Lloydy

they probably got sick of living in a commune picking crabs out of their pubes

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mothernature

This is so true.

Don't forget about the redneck hippies! Plenty of them around back then too.

SageTree

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