i want to recommend this book about the bible to atheists - Page 3

Roach · 11-03-2011, 01:01 PM

To fail at staying alive I suppose.

nevermind

**SageTree** · 11-03-2011, 01:03 PM

Do you have to be living to be alive?

knowwhatImeanknowwha tImean?!?!

Roach · 11-03-2011, 01:07 PM

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Do you have to be living to be alive?

It's an unavoidable technicality.

Roach · 11-03-2011, 01:08 PM

Your thoughts, works, and evil deeds may remain, even after the source is gone.

**SageTree** · 11-03-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach

It's an unavoidable technicality.

I was going to ask what 'Living on' meant to you....

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Originally Posted by Roach

Your thoughts, works, and evil deeds may remain, even after the source is gone.

But I see you know what I'm inferring to.

So I say, 'Why can't this extend to the good seeds we sow as well?'

I know you aren't going to 'die' so easily in my Life or be remembered as such a bad guy, Buddy 'ole Pal

DanDomingo · 02-03-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhead94

I went to a catholic school for 11 years. I spent most of that time learning about the bible so I could argue against it in class.

Catholicism isnt Christianity...in its current form its descended from babylonian mystery religions....

the "bible" you used in catholic school isnt a bible, its a perversion, so you wasted your time...

furthermore every time i read a thread about christianity in here it baffles me how little people know or understand about it, yet talk about it like they've spent so much time studying it...

DanDomingo · 02-03-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir-Ex

There is an abundance of historical evidence that shows that Christianity was used as a tool of subjugation throughout the periods of Roman recession.

Historically, there have been entire religions, or branches of existing religions come and gone that were literally designed and tailored by the leaders of a people themselves as a mechanism of control.

Christianity came at a time of huge change in the distribution of power throughout europe, africa, and asia. Do you really think Christianity become as big as it did because it was just the right belief?

C'mon. Get real.

And let me ask you one more question, why do you believe in the Bible?

No, catholicism was used as a control method...thats why they burned people who read the Bible for themselves...

Sir-Ex · 02-03-2012, 07:35 PM

Catholicism was the big one for sure, but certainly wasn't the only branch of Christianity that engaged in violent shenanigans.

edit: but yes, in the example I stated back then, Catholicism would be more accurate.

Wirikuta · 02-04-2012, 01:40 PM

"i want to recommend this book to atheists because many people who want to make intellectual arguments against their ideas of religion dont seem to know anything about the bible at all."

as a matter of fact reading the bible is what has turned some ppl atheists, the bible is waaay to fucked up to give it any consideration.

its just a compilation of books written by desert ppl from the bronze age, which thanks to emperor Constantine, made it into this day.

Wirikuta · 02-04-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar420

sure, there are a lot of people that have no interest in knowing anything about any holy text at all. Other people seem to want to know what this or that holy text says, but they dont want to be bothered by reading it, so they get someone to tell them what it says/means.
often with predictably hilarious/tragic results.

the reason i wanted to reccomend this book to atheists is because you dont have to be religous or believe in god or anything to see what is interesting about the new testament. i mean religous belief or feeling aside, i find it remarkable that the gospels, 4 different accounts of adventures with jesus were stories that somehow became oral traditions so successful that they jumped across the language barrier to be written down in greek, and then from there went everywhere and got involved in just about everything in the western world. just from an anthropological view, this is interesting.

here´s is a historical explanation of how such a text made it this far. from wikipedia:

The Battle of Milvian Bridge

Eusebius of Caesarea and other Christian sources record that Constantine experienced a dramatic event in 312 at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, after which Constantine would claim the emperorship in the West.

The accession of Constantine was a turning point for Early Christianity, generally considered the beginning of Christendom. After his victory, Constantine took over the role of the patron for the Christian faith. He supported the Church financially, had an extraordinary number of basilicas built, granted privileges (e.g. exemption from certain taxes) to clergy, promoted Christians to high-ranking offices, returned property confiscated during the Great Persecution of Diocletian,[12] and endowed the church with land and other wealth.[13] Between 324 and 330, Constantine built, virtually from scratch, a new imperial capital at Byzantium on the Bosphorus, which would be named Constantinople for him. Unlike "old" Rome, the city employed overtly Christian architecture and contained churches within the city walls, and had no pre-existing temples from other religions to contend with.[14]

In doing this, however, Constantine required those who had not converted to Christianity "to foot the bill".[13] Christian chroniclers tell that it appeared necessary to Constantine "to teach his subjects to give up their rites (...) and to accustom them to despise their temples and the images contained therein,"[15] This led to the closure of temples due to a lack of support, their wealth flowing to the imperial treasure;[16] Constantine did not need to use force to implement this,[13] although his subjects are said to simply have obeyed him out of fear.[citation needed] Only the chronicler Theophanes has added that temples "were annihilated", but this was considered "not true" by contemporary historians.[17]

RamThomasHakim · 02-04-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wirikuta

its just a compilation of books written by desert ppl from the bronze age, which thanks to emperor Constantine, made it into this day.

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Originally Posted by Wirikuta

here´s is a historical explanation of how such a text made it this far. from wikipedia:

The Battle of Milvian Bridge

Eusebius of Caesarea and other Christian sources record that Constantine experienced a dramatic event in 312 at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, after which Constantine would claim the emperorship in the West.

The accession of Constantine was a turning point for Early Christianity, generally considered the beginning of Christendom. After his victory, Constantine took over the role of the patron for the Christian faith. He supported the Church financially, had an extraordinary number of basilicas built, granted privileges (e.g. exemption from certain taxes) to clergy, promoted Christians to high-ranking offices, returned property confiscated during the Great Persecution of Diocletian,[12] and endowed the church with land and other wealth.[13] Between 324 and 330, Constantine built, virtually from scratch, a new imperial capital at Byzantium on the Bosphorus, which would be named Constantinople for him. Unlike "old" Rome, the city employed overtly Christian architecture and contained churches within the city walls, and had no pre-existing temples from other religions to contend with.[14]

In doing this, however, Constantine required those who had not converted to Christianity "to foot the bill".[13] Christian chroniclers tell that it appeared necessary to Constantine "to teach his subjects to give up their rites (...) and to accustom them to despise their temples and the images contained therein,"[15] This led to the closure of temples due to a lack of support, their wealth flowing to the imperial treasure;[16] Constantine did not need to use force to implement this,[13] although his subjects are said to simply have obeyed him out of fear.[citation needed] Only the chronicler Theophanes has added that temples "were annihilated", but this was considered "not true" by contemporary historians.[17]

This is all painfully elementary information Brother.
What are you trying to say here? What's the crux?

Wirikuta · 02-05-2012, 07:11 AM

I´m just trying to say that I think christianity is waht it is today thanks to emeperor Constantine taking it as his religion abd spreading it through the roman empire and western civilization.

RamThomasHakim · 02-05-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wirikuta

I´m just trying to say that I think christianity is waht it is today thanks to emeperor Constantine taking it as his religion abd spreading it through the roman empire and western civilization.

Fair enough, but I'd add that Constantine changed the face of Western Christianity as there are branches of Christianity that are basically unaffected by Roman Catholicism and have remained independent for a long long time.

They tried to work in out and talk through the early councils, which started with Constantine, but in the end they kept their brand of the faith, breaking away from Rome and the Pope... or actually.... never having joined or had been under the Pope.

(See Eastern Orthodox and in particular Oriental Orthodox)

Wirikuta · 02-05-2012, 10:19 AM

yes Ram, got your point. I´m just saying that politics got christianity to where it is right now and not devine intervention.

RamThomasHakim · 02-05-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wirikuta

yes Ram, got your point. I´m just saying that politics got christianity to where it is right now and not devine intervention.

Thanks Wirikuta, I agree with your last statement.

Best case scenario, some might say that the politics were divinely guided, but I wouldn't agree with that exactly, choosing perhaps 'divinely inspired', hoping that the folks in charge had their minds on God, reaching for how to better meet the godly ideals.

Sadly, they have fallen short in various ways, but also have had success as well.

RamThomasHakim

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Wirikuta Decade Yahookan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 86 Thanked 142 Times in 71 Posts	"i want to recommend this book to atheists because many people who want to make intellectual arguments against their ideas of religion dont seem to know anything about the bible at all." as a matter of fact reading the bible is what has turned some ppl atheists, the bible is waaay to fucked up to give it any consideration. its just a compilation of books written by desert ppl from the bronze age, which thanks to emperor Constantine, made it into this day. __________________ Pot doesnt create bad situations, but it breeds apathy towards them. The only thing in the universe that really rquires faith is a bad salesman. peace, Wirikuta

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Wirikuta Decade Yahookan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 86 Thanked 142 Times in 71 Posts	I´m just trying to say that I think christianity is waht it is today thanks to emeperor Constantine taking it as his religion abd spreading it through the roman empire and western civilization. __________________ Pot doesnt create bad situations, but it breeds apathy towards them. The only thing in the universe that really rquires faith is a bad salesman. peace, Wirikuta

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Wirikuta Decade Yahookan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 86 Thanked 142 Times in 71 Posts	yes Ram, got your point. I´m just saying that politics got christianity to where it is right now and not devine intervention. __________________ Pot doesnt create bad situations, but it breeds apathy towards them. The only thing in the universe that really rquires faith is a bad salesman. peace, Wirikuta

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