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Communication with Extraterrestrials
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FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Lambros D. Callimahos We are not alone in the universe. A few years ago, this notion seemed farfetched; today, the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence is taken for granted by most scientists. Even the staid National Academy of Sciences has gone on record that contact with other civilizations "is no longer something beyond our dreams but a natural event in the history of mankind that will perhaps occur in the lifetime of many of us." Sir Bernard Lovell, one of the world's leading radio astronomers, has calculated that, even allowing for a margin of error of 5000%, there must be in our galaxy about 100 million stars which have planets of the right chemistry, dimensions, and temperature to support organic evolution. If we consider that our own galaxy, the Milky Way, is but one of at least a billion other galaxies similar to ours in the observable universe, the number of stars that could support some form of life is, to reach for a word, astronomical. As to advanced forms of life-advanced by our own miserable earth standards-Dr. Frank D. Drake of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory at Green Bank, West Virginia, has stated that, putting all our knowledge together, the number of civilizations which could have arisen by now is about one billion. The next question is, "Where is everybody?" The nearest neighbor to our solar system is Alpha Centauri, only 4.3 light years away; but, according to Dr. Su-Shu Huang of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, its planetary system is probably too young for the emergence of life. Two other heavenly friends, Epsilon Eridani and Tau Ceti, about 11 light years away, are stronger contenders for harboring life. Nevertheless, if superior civilizations are abu~dant, the nearest would probably be at least 100 light years away; therefore it would take 200 years for a reply to be forthcoming, a small matter of seven generations. This should, however, make little difference to us, in view of the enormous potential gain from our contact with a superior civilization. Unless we are terribly conceited (a very unscientific demeanor), we must assume that the "others" are far more advanced than we are. Even a 50year gap would be tremendous; a 500-year gap staggers the imagination, and as for a 5000-year gap... (By the way, if they are as much as 50 years behind us, forget it!) It is quite possible that .. others" have satellite probes in space, retransmitting to "them" anything that sounds nonrandom to the probe. But they have probably called us several thousand years ago, and are waiting for an answer; or worse yet, they have given up; or, more probably, they have reached such impressive technological advances that they have destroyed themselves. In this connection, Professor Iosif Shklovsky, Russia's greatest radio astronomer, has cited the profound crises which lie in wait for a developing civilization, any one of which may well prove fatal: (1) Self-destruction as a result of a thermonuclear catastrophe or some other discovery which may have unpredictable and uncontrollable consequences; (2) Genetic danger; (3) Overproduction of information; (4) Restricted capacity of the individual's brain, which can lead to excessive specialization, with consequent dangers of degeneration; and (5) A crisis precipitated by the creation of arti ficial intelligent beings. Epsilon Eridani and Tau Ceti were the targets on which Dr. Drake focussed his' attention in the spring 1960 in Project Ozma, an attempt to detect possible intelligent signals from outer space. The frequency selected for listening was 1420.405752 megacycles per second, or a wave length of 21 em. This particular frequency, postulated independently by two professors on the faculty of Cornell University, Giuseppe Cocconi and Philip Morrison, happens to be the radiation frequency of atomic or free hydrogen which permeates space in great clouds; moreover, this frequency is within the range of radio frequencies able to pass through the earth's atmosphere. Presumably, the significance of this frequency would be known to other intelligent beings in the universe who understand radio theory. We are still talking about radio waves as the communication medium; other possible media might be masers, lasers, or the as yet undiscovered and unnamed "rasers." A technology superior to ours might even have learned how to modulate a beam of neutrinos (weightless, uncharged particles that physicists on earth find it difficult even to detect); if so, "they" may have to wait a century or two before we learn how to build a neutrino receiver. The growing presumption that life exists in other worlds led, in 1971, to a six-nation multidisciplinary conference held in Soviet Armenia on Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence. The U.S. delegation of about two dozen scientists was headed by Dr. Carl Sagan of the Center for Radiophysics and Space Research at Cornell University. The report of this conference, published in 1973 by MIT, deals with such subjects as the evolution of intelligence, the lifetimes of technical civilizations, and the number of advanced galactic civilizations. Last November a group of scientists at Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico sent a three-minute message beamed at Messier 13, and this represented man's first attempt to take the initiative in communicating with another civilization. The project was conducted by the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center, which operates the Are"ibo Observatory for Cornell University and the National Science Foundation. Messier 13 is a cluster of 300,000 stars on the edge of the Milky Way, 24,000 light years away, so if the message is received and answered promptly, unless we happen to hit them on one of their three-day holidays we should have their answer in 48,000 years, give or take a day or two. Actually, the main purpose of the experiment was to dramatize the capabilities of the world's largest antenna at the Arecibo Observatory. If another civilization were trying to establish communication with us, it would first embark on attention-getting signals of such a nature that we could distinguish them from random cosmic noise; once we receive a recognizable signal, we have a good chance of u'nderstanding the message. For example" they could start with trains of signals corresponding to the natural number 1, 2, 3..., followed perhaps by prime numbers. They might continue with equal-length extended signals consisting of start and stop impulses, with occasional pulses in between; when these signals are aligned flush over one another, they would show a circle, the Pythagorean Theorem, or similar geometric design. These attention-getting signals would be followed by what amounts to early "language lessons," interspersed with items of technical information to help bring us up to the level of our superiors, "them." It may be assumed that the sense of sight, or an equivalent, is possessed by all higher' forms of life; the problems of communication could thus be greatly simplified through the medium of a "raster" representation such as that of a television screen. After a conference held at Green Bank in 1961 to discuss the possibility of communication with other planets, one of the participants, Bernard M. Oliver, made up a hypothetical message on the raster principle. The message, consisting of 1271 binary digits or "bits," is shown in Figure 1. http://cryptome.org/0005/nsa-aliens-spy.pdf
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i aint readin all that shit.
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If we are basing life on other planets around the fundamentals of our organic chemistry, isn't it possible there are limits. Maybe with our given elements we are incapable of light travel or other forms of space exploration. You can't build a working space ship with Legos; its physically impossible. Our physical possibilities have to have limits. Also, our mental capacities has to have limits. A dog could never design a car, never, it's just not smart enough. Maybe we just are not smart enough to explore that far.
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That assumes that there are many more elements than we have room for on the periodic table. That math doesn't work. Also, the ones we don't have last for fractions of fractions of a second on average. It also assumes that the laws of physics arbitrarily change at different points of the universe. When we unify gravity with the other fundamental forces, we will have time machines, but the speed limit is still going to be there. By which I mean 299 792 458 m/s. Silicon based life would be pretty cool though. Boron based life even cooler. Somewhat relevant,
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I would assume that the physics of the universe would remain pretty constant, if we are basing our existence on a big bag ideology.
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The laws of physics are constant in every theory except maybe "god did it". |
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Why assume that there aren't physical laws with which even "God" has to work in?
Step outside of Christian theology Brother man, it's holding you down for no good reason.
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Only people who believe the abrahamic fairy tales try to get me to agree with them. The other religions have never even tried. |
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I think most people's rejection of God or Any Ground of Being comes from the 'Abrahamic Fairy Tales' they've been told instead of doing any investigation for themselves on what other people feel this 'God' idea is. That's extremely ironic to me if "Abrahamic God" is the point you perceive me to be aiming at, because all I'm saying is 'stop considering 'God' through an Abrahamic lens'.
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Yes, I don't take those people seriously. They aren't intelligent enough to look for an actual answer. They use "faith" as an excuse to be ignorant of the world. |
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Generalizations make life easy, eh?
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Oh dichotomous, absolutist thinker.... where do I begin with that answer?
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I find it funny that you use the word "ignorant" when you blatantly claim "I can't bring myself to do that even hypothetically[think of there being a God]"
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tldr: there's no god, srsly.
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A well read, educated narcissist is still a narcissist.
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