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..that you are something else.. or something else dreaming that you are you!?

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deadhead94

Possibly, but smoking weed makes me not remember 99% of my dreams. They still happen because I get into REM sleep and am always well rested, but I don't remember them.

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The Rev

I am God, dreaming that I am everybody.



The Rev

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fenderbender

in that case Rev, you think you could step up your game a little bit?

maybe throw a bone to africa?


If we are all you, then you need to work on yourself a bit for the rest of us. Your mental problems are represented quite well with the separation and lack of compassion in humanity. WE ARE DEPENDING ON YOU!

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fenderbender

but yeah as deadhead stated when i smoke weed i rarely remember my dreams, and ive been smoking quite a lot for the past few years.

A couple months ago i slowed down a bit with the herbage and started asking myself this exact question normally in waking life. "Am i dreaming?" Asking this question often got me more mentally conditioned to it as i had my first and only lucid dream not long after. I believe that i must have asked that question in my dream and triggered it.



But yeah, i have trouble believing the whole "i am the one true consciousness, you are all my dreams/mirrors of myself/reality is an illusion" mindset.

I believe you all have the same consciousness as i do. I believe it is shared, but made more our own for the time being while alive.

I believe your interpretation of this reality is augment-able as is your perception, but i do not believe i am the creator of this reality.

I dont think i or Rev is capable of unconsciously rendering all these different personalities and consciousnesses, but who knows it is possible.

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fenderbender

what say you Rev?

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Stonie Jo

I have been remembering my dreams more since I have been taking the Chantix to quit smoking. Most of the ones I remember are the ones early in the morning, right before I wake up. I had one recently that was lucid, someone I know was asking me something and I wanted to answer but I knew if I did, I would answer in the dream and out loud. Finally I couldn't take the nagging and I said "Yea, I know.....(whatever). ." - I heard myself saying it out loud and it woke me up. Wish I could manipulate those better!

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fenderbender

you will almost always dream like crazy when quitting smoking cigs and weed too.

REM rebound. It is pretty cool imo. It gives me motivation to stop smoking cause i get to have crazy dreams in the process.

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Mescalito

^Indeed! Same with alcohol.. stop both at the same time and REM rebound is insane. EPIC DREAMS. I don't LD as much as I used too though because I drink and smoke so much more than I did before.

I'd just like to add that the dream world has its 'laws' just like 'waking life'. I guess both are only limited by the nature of being (at that particular moment). In LD's what you can do and where you can go is limited or rather.. only limited by your'self' your imagination and any potentially limiting beliefs you take into that state from your waking life. Much the same can be said for the other way around. How much do we learn in dreams and utilize in waking life and how much happens the other way!?

Edit: I just wish more people would wake up [pun intended] to the fact that dreams are and have been super important to how we evolved.

In fact I reckon that probably 99% of 'myths' are either description of dreams or drug induced states of existence.. or at least are a result of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)

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Mescalito

A nice little excerpt from the wiki page.. heh

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fenderbender

I Love the concept that that reality is an illusion or hologram we produce, BUT i have trouble getting past something.

If i create this reality i perceive, than what does that say about the people i encounter. Are they just fabrications of my own mind? Do they really have the depth of a complete other observer/participator like myself? or are they just puppets who react to my actions?

As Rev said, "I am God, i am dreaming that i am everybody", that would imply that he believes all us beings are fabrications of his own mind, Yet i am having these complex thoughts as well.
I really dont think my consciousness is a fabrication, nor do i think Rev is my god/true self.


If what Rev says is true that would mean that all us yahookans are really just universal alts of the Rev, and he sits here all day talking to himself.


OR maybe all of our consciousnesses spawned out of Rev's one true consciousness...
hmmmmmmmmm interesting...

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fenderbender

I think that if there is one true consciousness that all our own spawned from, i dont believe it is the Rev's.

If you are indeed a god Rev, then we are all nothing compared to you. Or atleast insignificant to the whole true you.

I dont believe this to be true. If i put myself in Rev's mindset and assume the role of god i feel two ways.
1. Incredibly lonely. I would like some equals. and
2. Incredibly burdened. Having to run the entire universe and all...


So yes Rev, i do not think you are a god. That is just how you are interpreting the evidence given to you by the universe.
I believe me and you are equals, being dreamt up by something far "bigger" than us.
Our consciousnesses are just pinched off sections of the one true consciousness(not yours).

I believe the perception and interpretation of the universe(matter mainly) you experience is able to change and be changed by you, BUT life is a different story. Life is not made up atoms. It is a largely unknown energy which powers life. Life is a force in the universe in its own right, just like matter and various forms of energy. not only that but it is the most recent improvement/invention by the universe. State of the art model. the most recent upgrade.

I dont believe you control it Rev.

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fenderbender

so yeah im callin you out Rev.


One of your dream selfs is denying your true existence oh all mighty one.


WHAT SAY YOU REV

(freal tho i aint trollin or starting shit, id just like a response and get a good discussion going )

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Mescalito

I reckon it goes something like this. 'God' is 1.. and 'WE' by definition are many.. and many can't exist without 1('s) by definition.

Wholeness/nothingness annnnnnnnd separation.

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