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Old 01-05-2012, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Over 1000 Mayan codices were discovered....

On a lighter note...we should discuss the findings. Many wanna know where I've been, what I've seen....and what I've heard.






Over 1,000 Mayan Codices Discovered in Museum Basement – Mayan Prophecy to be Fulfilled on December 21 2012 | in5d.com |



Over 1,000 Mayan codices were discovered in the basement of a Los Angeles museum, presumably owned by Randolph Hunt and donated to the museum. Two other codices were found by the Maya Itza Council and have been analyzed for the past 10 years. If that's not enough, 7 additional codices were found by a treasure hunter. Carbon dating has authenticated these sacred texts and professional photographs have been taken for the Maya Itza Council to analyze the meaning behind these lost codices. One of the codices, in particular, is of great interest to the Maya who stated the codex represented "the essential pieces of information that we needed. This is how we go 4th dimensional."



October 29, 2011 (CHICHEN ITZA) - The Itza Mayan Council has confirmed the addition of two Mayan codices that the world has never seen. The council has been exploring these codices for the past ten years. To prove the authenticity, the codices have been carbon dated back to the 1300’s and authenticated by two different universities. One of the codices is called the Windcall Codex which is 13 pages long and unfolds like an accordion to show 13 pages on the backside as well.

On the first page of the codex, it shows five Mayans doing a ceremony while holding five crystal skulls. The skulls are implemented all throughout the codex until the last page, where a transformation appears to be taking place in Chichen Itza.


According to Mayan elder Hunbatz Men, these codices were discovered in a Los Angeles museum. Hunbatz asked Drunvalo Melchizedek to obtain the original codices from the museum but upon conferring with the museum’s curator, he was denied due to the new antiquities laws.

However, the curator informed Melchizedek that there were over 1,000 codices in the museum’s basement originating from a Randolph Hurst collection stemming from the 1920’s. It would take considerable time, around 10 years or so, to purchase these items, so Melchizedek suggested to Hunbatz that the codices were to be photographed. Melchizedek estimated a total of 75,000 pages are available to be photographed and analyzed by the Maya.

It is generally believed that the Mayan calendars were used to record cycles in time. Melchizedek stated that cycles do not care when a cycle ends or begins and that there was no cycle that ended on October 28, 2011. However, Drunvalo added that a cycle does end on December 21, 2012, when the galactic alignment occurs. At that moment, the cycles begin anew.
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what do the codices say, and how reliable is the translation?

what specifically gets aligned during the so-called galactic alignment?

what is the significance, if any, of a new cycle beginning?
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Another question I'm amazed no one talks about. More of a point than a question though.



How is it possible the date of December 21, 2012 is accurate? Throughout history the accounting of dates have been not only lost at certain points, but intentionally manipulated in some circumstances as well. Due to this, most historians would agree that it is impossible to accurately specify a date in relation to anything referenced as far back as the mayan civilization.





Also, what does '4th dimensional' mean?
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Until recently, only one reference to the infamous date of 2012 by the Maya was found on a stone tablet from Tortuguero. On Thanksgiving of this year, archaeologists announced the discovery of a second reference to the date found on a carved brick at the Comalcalco ruin, the only Mayan pyramid built of brick.

According to Arturo Mendez, spokesman for the National Institute of Anthropology and History, "the fragment of inscription had been discovered years ago and has been subject to thorough study." The "Comalcalco Brick" could be but a glimpse of the archaeological discoveries of the last 50 years that are due to be revealed to the public in the Fall of 2012 in a documentary funded by the Mexican and Guatemalan governments.

Depicted on the molded face of the brick is the glyph of the Mayan Calendar Round, coinciding with the end of the 13th Baktun of the Mayan Long Count calendar. But According to David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin, there's no evidence that the brick refers specifically to 2012--it could be a reference to a date in ancient times describing an important historical event. Stuart notes that, unlike the Tortuguero phrase, the Comalcalco brick does not utilize a future tense, suggesting that it might be a historical reference opposed to a prophetic one.

Though the issue of tense is unclear, a translation of the third glyph on the brick reads "he/she/it arrives." While this doesn't say will arrive, it is not exactly past tense either and needs to be looked at in its entire context once access to the brick or full translation is given. If this is an accurate translation, than it does correspond nicely with the Tortuguero inscription involving Bolon Yokte, "a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation," who according to the last eroded glyph on the tablet, "will descend from the sky."

A further oddity surrounding the discovery of the Comalcalco brick is that the inscribed side was laid facing inward or covered with stucco, suggesting that the brick was not meant to be seen by the majority and had some initiatory status. Or perhaps it lied waiting for the right moment of its discovery.

One thing that is certain, is that as we fast approach 2012, more discoveries will be made reshaping what we think we know about the infamous date.

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its basically not that big of a deal. people misunderstand the mayan 2012 thing enough as it is. we need to stop sensationalizing it. the mayans say 2012 will bring a period of transformation, it says nothing about the end of the world.
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NASA - The Great 2012 Doomsday Scare

The year 2012 is acting like a badly behaved celebrity. Frightful rumors and gossip are spreading. Already more than a half dozen books are marketing, to eager fans, astronomical fears about 2012 End Times. Opening in theaters on Friday, Nov. 13, will be 2012, a $200-million disaster movie that seems designed to break all records for disaster spectacles -- with cracking continents, plunging asteroids, burning cities, and a tsunami throwing an aircraft carrier through the White House. The movie's ominous slogan: "Find out the truth." Two other major movies about the 2012 doomsday are also reported to be in the works.

Anyone who cruises the internet or all-night talk radio knows why. The ancient Maya of Mexico and Guatemala kept a calendar that is about to roll up the red carpet of time, swing the solar system into transcendental alignment with the heart of the Milky Way, and turn Earth into a bowling pin for a rogue planet heading down our alley for a strike.

None of it is true. People you know, however, are likely becoming a bit afraid that modern astronomy and Maya secrets are indeed conspiring to bring our doom. If people know you’re an astronomer, they will soon be asking you all about it.

Here is what you need to know.

Birth of a Notion
We"ve had similar scares in the recent past, but none quite like this. The last time the world got all worked up over the mystical turning of a calendar was the false Millennium of Jan. 1, 2000. Never mind the actual Y2K computer-date bug. True-believer authors (and their imitators) published scary and/or hopeful books about the moment's prophetic potential to catch an immense cosmic wave and change everything for either good or ill. Borrowing a forecast from Nostradamus, the 16th-century French riddler, author Charles Berlitz predicted catastrophe in his 1981 book Doomsday 1999. Berlitz (fresh off books on Atlantis and the Bermuda Triangle), warned that 1999 could inflict flood, famine, pollution and a shift of Earth's magnetic poles. He also spotlighted the planetary alignment of May 5, 2000, and warned that it could bring solar flares, severe earthquakes, "land changes" and "seismic explosions."

In the 1990s an entire "Earth Changes" movement swelled into being as the end of the century neared, with all sorts of Millennial expectations -- earthquakes, plagues, polar axis shifts, continents sliding into the sea, Atlantis rising and more. In England, the Sun tabloid predicted a "marvelous millennium of joy, peace, prosperity."

When Jan. 1, 2000, came and went with nothing worse than ski-lift passes printing the date as 1900, the focus shifted to "5/5/2000" several months later. Most believers in the power of planetary alignments forgot the failure of earlier lineups to induce disaster. The "Jupiter Effect" cataclysm predicted for March 10, 1982 (named for the 1974 book about it by John Gribbin and Stephen Plagemann) commanded headlines but never materialized.

Throughout history, end-of-the-world movements missing their mark number in the "hundreds of thousands at the very least, says Richard Landes, historian at Boston University and director of its Center for Millennial Studies. But people eager for the world to end are not to be denied, and this time, of course, all will be different.

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What exactly is the Maya calendar about to do? On Dec. 21, 2012, it will display the equivalent of a string of zeros, like the odometer turning over on your car, with the close of something like a millennium. In Maya calendrics, however, it's not the end of a thousand years. It's the end of Baktun 13. The Maya calendar was based on multiple cycles of time, and the baktun was one of them. A baktun is 144,000 days: a little more than 394 years.

Scholars have deciphered how the Maya calendar worked from historical texts and ancient inscriptions, and they have accurately correlated so-called Maya Long Count dates with the equivalent dates in our calendar. Just as we number our years counting from a historically and culturally significant event (the presumed birth year of Christ), Maya times were numbered from a date endowed with religious and cosmic significance: the creation date of the present world order. A Long Count date is the tally of days from that mythic startup. Most experts think the start point corresponds to Aug. 11, 3114 B.C.

Most of the Maya calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 × 20) was known as a katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 × 7,200 = 144,000 days). Although some ancient inscriptions turn 13 baktuns into an important reset milestone, others imply that the calendar simply keeps running. For instance, it takes 20 baktuns to make a pictun.

No one paid much attention to the end of Baktun 13 until fairly recently. In 1975 Frank Waters, a romantic and speculative author, devoted a brief section to the subject in his book Mexico Mystique. He identified the 13-baktun interval as a "Mayan Great Cycle," overestimated its duration as 5,200 years, and equated five such cycles with five legendary eras, each of which ends in the world’s destruction and rebirth. There is no genuine Maya tradition behind any of this.

Waters also miscalculated the date when the calendar would supposedly pull down the shades. "The end of the Great Cycle . . . will occur Dec. 24, 2011 A.D.," he announced, when the world "will be destroyed by catastrophic earthquakes." Exact date aside, the doomsday ball was now rolling.

Another book in 1975 also spotlighted the Maya calendric roundup. Dennis and Terence McKenna discussed it in The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens, and the I Ching. That book at least got the Baktun-13 end date right: Dec. 21, 2012. It also noted that the date is the winter solstice, when the Sun will be "in the constellation Sagittarius, only about 3 degrees from the Galactic Center, which, also coincidentally, is within 2 degrees of the ecliptic." The McKennas continued, "Because the winter solstice node is precessing, it is moving closer and closer to the point on the ecliptic where it will eclipse the galactic center." In reality this event will never happen, but it hardly matters. The McKennas linked the whole arrangement with the concept of renewal and called 2012 a moment of "potential transformative opportunity."

Broader interest in 2012 caught on beginning in 1987. In The Mayan Factor: Path Beyond Technology, José Argüelles (an "artist, poet, and visionary historian" according to the dust jacket) linked the 13-baktun period with an impalpable "beam" from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. According to Argüelles, the Maya knew when we entered this beam and when we would leave it, and set their 13-baktun cycle to mark our passage through it accordingly. The beam, he asserted, operates as "invisible galactic life threads" that link people, the planet, the Sun, and the center of the Galaxy. Neither Maya tradition nor modern astronomy supports a belief in any such beam. It stemmed instead from Argüelles’s personal philosophy, which emphasizes "the principle of harmonic resonance." Argüelles also concluded that the planets are "orbiting harmonic gyroscopes" that “play a role in the coordination of the beam," which advances the development of anything with DNA. The year 2012, therefore, will bring a rosy version of the apocalypse.

If this sounds a bit familiar, you're right. In 1987 Argüelles and his followers predicted, with worldwide fanfare, that Aug. 16–17 of that year would bring a Maya-Galactic "Harmonic Convergence." That event turned into a global phenomenon, with thousands gathering at Earth’s “acupuncture points” to create a "synchronized and unified bio-electromagnetic collective battery." Unfortunately, the date passed with nothing more than colorful newspaper stories and a Doonesbury satire. (A character explains earnestly that that the alignment could bring either "mass unification of divine and earth-plane selves," or perhaps nuclear annihilation. "Either way there will probably be a crafts fair.")

Galactic Guessing Games
Fast-forward to 1995. That year John Major Jenkins packaged several of these themes into Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. According to Jenkins, the winter-solstice point and the centerline of the Galaxy will line up exactly on Dec. 21. Arguing that this motivated the Maya to contrive the calendar to end on that date, Jenkins concludes that it will be "a tremendous transformation and opportunity for spiritual growth, a transition from one world age to another."

In fact, astronomy cannot pinpoint such a "galactic alignment" to within a year, much less a day. The alignment depends on the rather arbitrary modern definition of the galactic equator, and/or the visual appearance of the Milky Way. There is no precise definition of the Milky Way's edges -- they are very vague and depend on the clarity of your view. (Jenkins says that he personally established the Milky Way’s edges by viewing it from 11,000 feet, far above anywhere the Maya lived.) So to give a precise visual position for its centerline is not meaningful.

Jenkins did acknowledge that the winter-solstice Sun actually crosses the center of the Milky Way anytime between 1980 and 2016. Elsewhere he expands this approach zone to a 900-year period, and settles for an imprecise alignment to which Dec. 21, 2012, is arbitrarily and circularly assigned. Real astronomy does not support any match between the Baktun-13 end date and a galactic alignment. The advocates both admit and ignore this discrepancy.

It's almost a sidelight that the winter-solstice sun will never actually "eclipse" the galaxy's true center, the pointlike radio source marking the Milky Way's central black hole. Moreover, the winter-solstice sun won’t even pass closest to it on the sky for another 200 years. What did the Maya themselves think about End Times? There is no evidence that they saw the calendar and a world age ending in either transcendence or catastrophe on December 21, 2012. Some Maya Long Count texts refer to dates many baktuns past 13 and even into the next pictun and beyond. For instance, an inscription commissioned in the 7th century A.D. by King Pacal of Palenque predicts that an anniversary of his accession would be commemorated on Oct. 15, 4772.

In all of the Long Count texts discovered, transcribed, and translated, only one mentions the key date in 2012: Monument 6 at Tortuguero, a Maya site in the Mexican state of Tabasco. The text is damaged, but what remains does not imply the end of time.

The Secret NASA Conspiracy
Some advocates for the 2012 catastrophe say that what will actually cause the devastation is an alignment of planets. There is no planet alignment on the winter solstice in 2012. Nonetheless, advocates of doom connect the fictional alignment to astrological predictions or groundless claims about a reversal of Earth's magnetic field and unprecedented solar storms. Many internet postings and guests on all-night apocalyptic radio have elaborated on these themes.

In particular, several threads of irrational thought have created an internet phantom, the secret planet Nibiru. It's the bowling ball, and Earth is the pin. There is no such planet, though it is often equated with Eris, a plutoid orbiting safely and permanently beyond Pluto. Some insist, however, that a NASA conspiracy is in play and that Nibiru, looming in on the approach, can already be seen in broad daylight from the Southern Hemisphere. It was supposed to become visible from the Northern Hemisphere, too, by last May, but like a fickle blind date, it stood up those awaiting it.

Others on the Web, confused about the supposed alignment of the winter-solstice sun with the Milky Way's center, have declared that the Sun is now plummeting to the Milky Way’s center and dragging Earth with it. The predicted result? Earth’s polar axis will shift. Most of what's claimed for 2012 relies on wishful thinking, wild pseudoscientific folly, ignorance of astronomy, and a level of paranoia worthy of Night of the Living Dead.

So maybe the Maya were on to us after all. The clock is ticking. And it’s the end of the world as we know it.
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ditto rev, ditto. I was looking for some easy factoid I could spurt out to shut up anyone who mentioned my 27th birthday over the next several months. While I came up with none of those, I feel I have been validated enough in my sense of silent smug condescension that I can maintain it at least until the magical date actually arrives.
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Also, what does '4th dimensional' mean?
Thank-You for that one phrase is what we all knew/know... confirmation has come.

Maybe the question is not so much as to what the 4th is, but how to get there and with what!
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I'm just trying to grasp what angle you're looking at this. '4th dimensional' is something that means different things to different people, and it could mean at least a few things to me personally.
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personally I don't trust anything any mexican mystic says. I probably trust the governments of Mexico and Guatemala even less.

I do however believe any change that my be abrewing is gonna be a positive one. I guess I'm conditioned to dismiss any of the new age shit out of hand. My mom has been really sucked into the whole Edgar Cayce/Course In Miracles/Byron Katie cultish circles for most of my life. I see her spending thousands of dollars on weekend retreats to hear about why you shouldn't be attached to money.
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This is the dawning of the "age" of aquarius.
It is. Unfortunately this is not a good thing. Especially for those of us who believe the new age movement is inherently evil...
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just another day on the calendar troop.

You'll wake up Shit, Shower and Shave...and life will find a way.
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Did anyone think to check the signature for clues??

Some are blaming Uranus...imagine??

Some look towards St-Germains Blog for answers!

Some say it's The Golden Age.

And some say it's the Return of The Law of One.

One thing for sure is that the rocks do talk...and the wind sings~
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The Age of Aquarius actually doesn't begin until around 2600.

Astrological ages are determined by which astrological sign the vernal equinox lands in (it moves due to precession of the equinoxes caused by a slight "wobble" in the Earth's rotation). The current age is that of Pisces, which began around 500 AD.



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im a pisces, and all this bs about the mayan calendar pisses me off. i remain hopeful that if the calendar predicts anything, it predicts a change in the global conciousness, which i seem to be seeing taking place already. it seems to me more people than ever are "thinking" outside of the status quo.
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This is the dawning of the "age" of aquarius.

and it's a long dawn.

That song , is older that most members here.

come on now rev , pull the bell bottoms and love beads out of your attic
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supposedly flight is one of the signs of the age of aquarius, and we have sent people into space. so im thinking it might be here already! even despite what rev said about the stellar calendar/ vernal equinox
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one might check the Hopi Prophecy....yeah I would~
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as in fight or flight ?

or as in our fair feathered friends ?

could mean it's better to turn your back on foreign affairs rather than constantly going to war.

just a thought...
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id say all things of this nature are up for debate, but i for some reason i remember readin about men taking interest in flight, like planes, and the space shuttle.

but i kinda like the avoidance of war interpretation better actually
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