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Old 03-02-2016, 11:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Am wondering if any of you are observing lent this year. It's a little late coming, but I've decided to cut out desserts and limit coffee (1 a day). I am reading the book of Luke each morning or evening.

What are you doing, or would do if you were to observe Lent?
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Lent is like Christian stuff right?
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Yes, Lent is observed in most Christian traditions.
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Reverie,

I intend to say more later, but wanted to share something I enjoyed reading at the start of Lent.

A Different Kind of Fast: A Seven-Part Series for Lent

You can find previous weeks, and continue to follow of you wish... Here is the author's link on Patheos.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/author/cvpaintner/
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I haven't made any plans, but there are certainly things I could give up... Something to think about.
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Lent is February 10, marked by Ash Wednesday through March 27, Easter Sunday.

IMO, the giving up of things, so commonly associated with Lent, is more than just stopping something... It's also about making room, making space, for the Spirit to fill.

For me, one Lent a few years back, it was writing down the curse words I said, as I said them, tallying... so I could see them and be more mindful of my speech.....

The attempt to stop cursing wasn't just an austerity....

It was a proactive step in making my words mean something more. In the space where useless words were halted and removed, grew awareness, and with awareness there came something more.

Intention.

I spoke less, as a result...

And in that space... Something also grew. My ability to listen. When when I listened, compassion arose... And in that space, I was able to hear.

When I could hear, I was able to add something meaningful to the conversation.

It also changed my inner monologue.

Something I gave up, partially to conduct myself in a socially beneficial way, as an outward sign, also changed my spiritual relationship....

I felt more authentic, and in turn, I was to others.

It wasn't because I didn't ever curse again... It was because I came into contact with my internality.

I didn't set out to "win Lent". It was a journey, and what came of it was something different than I imaged.... But it was more than I'd hoped for by giving up a token thing or act.

For me, how I'm able to feel part of and learn from others spiritual traditions is because of intention. To me it's not the dance that matters, per se... It's the why I dance, which is to say 'the ritual'. Sometimes a ritual that is new or foreign to me, in time and with reflection, takes on a deep meaning.

Off the top of my head....Kneeing, bowing, prostrations, ikons, incense, washing my face, hands and feet before prayer and meditation (when i am able), monasteries & retreats, beads & roseries, crossing myself...and more.... Not things I grew up with but symbolic acts that ground me in my Spiritual life/beliefs and have meaning for varying reasons.

So, in a way.... I guess I shouldn't be too surprised at my Lent 2013 findings.
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I am going to participate.

I will let you know how that desire to participate manifests at a later date.

Sage i particularly like what you said about it "making room".
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Really great post, Sage.

I also really like the second part of that blog you posted: A Different Kind of Fast: Part Two – Embrace Vulnerability

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I haven't made any plans, but there are certainly things I could give up... Something to think about.
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I am going to participate.

I will let you know how that desire to participate manifests at a later date.

Sage i particularly like what you said about it "making room".
Keep us up to date! I'm really curious about your decisions and your insights
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All you need to do is not eat any raised bread between the 22 /4 and 30 / 4.

You could also change the name Easter to Passover, just sayin'
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in the norwegian tradition we usually eat fastelavns boller (sweet buns with whip cream) on the day before lent, but we never fast for lent. this year we missed it because we were traveling so we made the buns anyway a week later. they were delicious

easter this year is on a date where there is already a holiday (may 1/workers day) and people are devastated that they will have to spend it with their families
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All you need to do is not eat any raised bread between the 22 /4 and 30 / 4.

You could also change the name Easter to Passover, just sayin'
I think acknowledging and understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity only makes sense.
The symbolism word choice, metaphor and quoted passages have a new life and meaning,
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Lent is February 10, marked by Ash Wednesday through March 27, Easter Sunday.

IMO, the giving up of things, so commonly associated with Lent, is more than just stopping something... It's also about making room, making space, for the Spirit to fill.

For me, one Lent a few years back, it was writing down the curse words I said, as I said them, tallying... so I could see them and be more mindful of my speech.....

The attempt to stop cursing wasn't just an austerity....

It was a proactive step in making my words mean something more. In the space where useless words were halted and removed, grew awareness, and with awareness there came something more.

Intention.

I spoke less, as a result...

And in that space... Something also grew. My ability to listen. When when I listened, compassion arose... And in that space, I was able to hear.

When I could hear, I was able to add something meaningful to the conversation.

It also changed my inner monologue.

Something I gave up, partially to conduct myself in a socially beneficial way, as an outward sign, also changed my spiritual relationship....

I felt more authentic, and in turn, I was to others.

It wasn't because I didn't ever curse again... It was because I came into contact with my internality.

I didn't set out to "win Lent". It was a journey, and what came of it was something different than I imaged.... But it was more than I'd hoped for by giving up a token thing or act.

For me, how I'm able to feel part of and learn from others spiritual traditions is because of intention. To me it's not the dance that matters, per se... It's the why I dance, which is to say 'the ritual'. Sometimes a ritual that is new or foreign to me, in time and with reflection, takes on a deep meaning.

Off the rop of my head....Kneeing, bowing, prostrations, ikons, incense, washing my face, hands and feet before prayer and meditation (when i am able), monasteries & retreats beads & roseries and crossing myself...and more.... Not things I grew up with but symbolic acts that ground me in my Spiritual life/beliefs and have meaning for varying reasons.

So, in a way.... I guess I shouldn't be too surprised at my Lent 2013 findings.
Hmm, reminds me of nightly review from the big book:


"When we retire at night, we constructively review our day. Were we resentful, selfish, dishonest or afraid? Do we owe an apology? Have we kept something to ourselves which should be discussed with another person at once? Were we kind and loving toward all? What could we have done better? Were we thinking of ourselves most of the time? Or were we thinking of what we could do for others, of what we could pack into the stream of life? But we must be careful not to drift into worry, remorse or morbid reflection, for that would diminish our usefulness to others. After making our review we ask God's
forgiveness and inquire what corrective measures should be taken." PG 86

Some people say it's 10th step, some say 11th. We do 10th step a little differently (write it out, extended 4th step style) but a review at the end of the day is a pretty cool tool.
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I think acknowledging and understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity only makes sense.
The symbolism word choice, metaphor and quoted passages have a new life and meaning,
with this sort of awareness.
The reason the date for Easter changes every year is because it must coincide with the Jewish Passover. The last diner was the Passover dinner. We Jews use a lunar calendar (with soar adjustments every 4 years) and so our holidays never fall on the same dates every year. No other Christian holiday is so tied to Jewish faith as Easter.

At the end of the day you are basically worshipping a liberal Jewish rabbi.
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The reason the date for Easter changes every year is because it must coincide with the Jewish Passover. The last diner was the Passover dinner. We Jews use a lunar calendar (with soar adjustments every 4 years) and so our holidays never fall on the same dates every year. No other Christian holiday is so tied to Jewish faith as Easter.
I'm with you. Brother. And am aware of that all.
No need to mansplain it.

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At the end of the day you are basically worshipping a liberal Jewish rabbi.
I concur and basically work within that frame work.
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so why not just become Jewish?
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I think that it's 'once you've been circumcised there is no growing back'.
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so why not just become Jewish?
Formalities might be the first thing, I suppose.
But then, that's not unique to Judaism.

All in all the language of mystic spirituality is basically the same. Judaism's influences are there for me, but there are others as well. Christianity is what I was born into.... and after much seeking, I realize the language to express my heart is in Christianity. It's not mainstream American Christianity.... for sure. Rather, it's informed by more ancient aspects and writings.

Never say never, ya know. But for some time I've felt good about my Connectedness.

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I guess you could say I never got on the bacon wagon in the first place.

I never ate it unless it was servered, which is to say I have never ordered it, bought it nor cooked it. Indeed....

I don't miss it....

And fwiw, I've been a vegetarian for 13 or so years.

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I am that too.... haha.
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