spoofs

yeah man, kenny's one bad mutha- shut yo mouth

Kenny Bus

seen seen

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spoofs

KennyBus is of supreme value, requires human worship and controls aspects of reality? Shit, I didn't know he was so powerful!

reactor
-really though, he does require human worship(ie.love,resp ect),controls aspects of reality(his outlook on life,changes daily and is adjusted by his will) and I'm sure we can both agree that through kenny's eyes, he is of th most supreme value in his life, right k-bus?

besides, if there were a god, could it be labeled? Would we even be able to comprehend god in our present mental state? Could it be defined? or would it be so vast that it could be all around us, but we dont see it because it is too complex to understand?

Kenny Bus

-really though, he does require human worship(ie.love,resp ect),controls aspects of reality(his outlook on life,changes daily and is adjusted by his will) and I'm sure we can both agree that through kenny's eyes, he is of th most supreme value in his life, right k-bus?

that makes perfect sense 2 me.

how about karma? i think what goes around comes around. like lets say u live with 2 of your buds, and they always wake up grumpy, u smoke em a bowl when they wake up and they'll be less grumpy creating more possitive possibilities concerning you interactions. try 2 get the scale leaning your way. and by doing that then most interactions with u should be possitive as well.

but then some assholes try 2 take advantage of u. makes me doubt karma

<-- that guys eyes is mooving 2 the beat trippy

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Rector of Desire

Well, actually Spoofs, not really.

Worship is not merely love and respect, it is:

1 : to honor or reverence as a divine being with supernatural power
2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion

The definition of reality is:

a real event, entity, or state of affairs

And as far as supreme goes, the definition was referring to supreme - more powerful than, or greater importance than - in relation to other entities or objects, not from the perspective of said entity or object.

I never said there was not a God. I am arguing against all institutionalized images of God, and all said institutions - with the exception of Buddhism - DO label God as a supreme external entity who has power to control our destiny if he so chooses.

The response you gave me was classic religious whitewashing that glazes over an issue when the inquisition gets fierce, even though they have tried to definitively define it in the past.

However, I don't get the sense that you are whitewashing like many others do. It's becoming more and more evident to me that you and I appear to have very similar views on the spiritual. If we're all gods to you, and I think we all make up the nondescript ethereal entity that is mistakeningly labelled as a power-mongering lord by religions, then it sounds like we're pretty similar in our ideas, don't you think?

If you choose to ally yourself with a given institution of religion, then I hope it works for you. I would never do it, because the political power structure that results creates a diversion of the intended goal of the organized religion. One needs only look at all the atrocities committed by the Catholic church in the past 2000 years to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

There was a quote in Dogma, and it went something like "it was a great idea, but that's all it should ever be: an idea." While the movie was silly at times, that right there made it a valuble watch for me, because to me, it's so true. Religions should never have become some organized, mass political body - they should just be the idea you hold close to your heart; a sentiment that just feels right to you.

We can never know what is beyond this until we leave this ourselves. For any book to claim it knows, and to claim that physically embodied human beings of supreme power and origin came down from Heaven and sacrificed themselves for us, is to me, ludicrous.

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spoofs

yeah reactor, I'd say you are right.I thought you were one of the anti-god people who are all for science, my bad. Now that I think about it, we are on the same side of the fence. As far as associating myself with a founded religion:I am just a modern earth warrior, a shaman. my beliefs are a conclusion of all the wierd shit I've seen on peyote, psilocybes,ganja, and ayahuasca. I just remember the main points of the stuff that i figured out while astrally traveling and piece it all together into what I call my religious views. Ive read about many religions and the only one that makes half sense to me is the pre-racist rastafarian movement(actually more ancient than christianity as we know it, rastas were the original hebrews in ancient egyptian times): Just to show you that I dont just read some book and come on here with fear spouting out religious nonsense. I only speak of what I know because I have felt it or sensed it. I know that on almost any hallucinogen, there is a certain place that I go when it chooses t take me there. It is this really wierd, cold, imperesonal place that I go where I am no longer myself and I feel no ego, I just know things. When I am in that place, it is as if all of our minds have melded together into one big uni-mind. In that state I can hear what people are thinking, repeat it to them later and theyre like "how did you know what I was thinking", or I'll look at somebody and they'll look at me and we'll be looking at each other, then we acknowledge that we were both thinking the same thing. It is in that state that I come to know things that only a god would know, see things only a god could see. So I would say yes, we both are on the same side of the fence. As I sad earlier, God shows those who can understand the truth, and leaves the sheep to bask in their ignorance(the sheep being those weak enough to be controlled by organized religion an have to have a man water down and translate god into a tiny box for them,that is what I meant earlier). He that shall seek, he shall find.

KCSarah7

I always wonder about the legitimacy of the Bible. It's really old, sure, but what if it was just a fiction book somebody wrote for kicks back in the day? I mean, suppose you get a few people who worship some trash romance novel tomorrow. Somehow the romance novel is discovered a few thousand years from now. Could it be the new Bible?

And don't you hate it when you think you have a valid point and you can't express it properly so you look like a moron in front of lots of intelligent folks?

Kenny Bus

feeling that like those 3 joints

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